(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:10:41 GMT, "Dennis Moore"
wrote:

This is a good example of the tyranny of the objectivist. First
he insists realism is the only goal.

Actually, the 'subjectivists' claim the same goal.

No one suggested that ANY goal is the only way. I only note that music is not
the ONLY program that is deserving and that if any enthusiast looks hard in the
mirror that 'love of music' is more directly and deeply enjoyed in ways other
than reproduction and pretending that 'love of music' is a primary goal for
most audiophiles is simply a conceit.

As if putting a fancy paint job on your race car (new cables) is done in the
'love of speed.'


Even though no musical
system I have ever heard can fully or even mostly recreate
the sound of live in music in real space. Yet this person acts
as if they have the only path to true 'high end ' sound while
admitting they don't even have the ability to experience
realization of emotional and music.

That may (or may not) be true for Tom, but it in no way represents the
position of anyone else I've seen posting to r.a.h-e.

And his statement creates this special strawman who 'cannot' emotionally
respond to music.

But a high-end response to this is that he must never have experienced a system
good enough to deliver a realistic live experience in the home.

Which is basically what this "love of music" put-down usually comes to. In the
high-end when you refuse to acknowledge that a new wire doesn't improve
playback it's often noted that this person must not "love music enough."

Nousaine wrote:
"Dennis Moore"
wrote:

Nousaine,

You tell me you don't do this for love of music. But for simple
realism in playback. And you wonder why you may not
have the same experience as one who does sometimes have
emotional experience to music.

Who says I don't have emotional experiences to music? I just have given up the
conceit that I buy/use audio equipment to increase that enjoyment in respect to
the art. The art doesn't change with the reproduction devices.

I watched Susan Tedeschi perform last night in a small open-air ampitheater and
I loved every minute of it. It didn't lack realism even though not a single
note was 'acoustical' but played back over a large PA system.

Did I break a tear over "Miss You"? Sure. Does play back of that song on my
home system produce the same tear? On a musical level, of course.

On a 'realism' level? .... no, because her Susan-ness wasn't 30 years in front
of me.

But I won't tell myself for one minute that I enjoy reproduced audio for the
love of music. If the 'music' strikes me with enough power I can enjoy it on my
1941 Zenith AM table radio.

...replicating the experience of millions and millions people over the years,
who have 'connected' to music via equipment that wouldn't pass even the least
stringent 'audiophile' muster.




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-S.