[BigD]

I'm look for a PA for a four piece band (blues/jazz nothing too heavy)
playing in bars or small clubs. like the look of the Tannoy V12
loudspeakers. Does anyone have any experience of them ? What kind of
power amps have you coupled with them ? Did you use them additionally
as monitor wedges ?

The PA will carry just (3) vocals for 80% of the time with occasional
reinforcement of acoustic instruments. Sound Clarity and ruggedness are
primary concerns. (Think an equivelant of AER acoustic amps,
unfortunately they don't do PA)

If you can think of any other speakers or amps I could consider then
please advise...
Thanx
dave

[Scott Dorsey]

BigD wrote:
I'm look for a PA for a four piece band (blues/jazz nothing too heavy)
playing in bars or small clubs. like the look of the Tannoy V12
loudspeakers. Does anyone have any experience of them ? What kind of
power amps have you coupled with them ? Did you use them additionally
as monitor wedges ?

I put them in an installed system once, using some Hafler amps. They
have a very, very wide pattern, which could be a problem for some club
applications, but amazingly enough they sound the same everywhere across
maybe 120' in front.

They have an extremely clean midrange, with really good vocal reproduction.
I do not know how loud they will get, or how hard they are to damage, though.
I was extremely pleased at the natural vocal sound.

The PA will carry just (3) vocals for 80% of the time with occasional
reinforcement of acoustic instruments. Sound Clarity and ruggedness are
primary concerns. (Think an equivelant of AER acoustic amps,
unfortunately they don't do PA)

They are more "realistic" in the vocal range than "clear."

If you can think of any other speakers or amps I could consider then
please advise...

You might like the Radian 12" coaxials as well. I think they sound more
"hornlike" and maybe more "electronic" than the Tannoys, but they are still
able to give a pretty good vocal sound and they are less expensive. They
will get pretty loud as well. I have a set of three that I use for showing
35mm films at conventions and they have a lot of that Altec sound... kind of
more than I'd like actually.

I'll also recommend the QSC RMX series amplifiers as being cheap, bulletproof,
and accurate. They aren't as clean-sounding as the Haflers but they are more
reliable in a PA application.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[michael gaster]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
BigD wrote:
I'm look for a PA for a four piece band (blues/jazz nothing too heavy)
playing in bars or small clubs. like the look of the Tannoy V12
loudspeakers. Does anyone have any experience of them ? What kind of
power amps have you coupled with them ? Did you use them additionally
as monitor wedges ?
snip

the V12 is a fantastic sounding box the HP version is actually worth the
extra $$

and yes they make good monitors.


They have an extremely clean midrange, with really good vocal
reproduction.
I do not know how loud they will get, or how hard they are to damage,
though.
I was extremely pleased at the natural vocal sound.

they are rather efficent boxes at 100db 1/1 and 102 1/1 for the HP


The PA will carry just (3) vocals for 80% of the time with occasional
reinforcement of acoustic instruments. Sound Clarity and ruggedness are
primary concerns. (Think an equivelant of AER acoustic amps,
unfortunately they don't do PA)

these boxes would be great... although I would also say to look at the
Renkus Heinz products ( I use both brands)



If you can think of any other speakers or amps I could consider then
please advise...

also consider the PowerV12 (tannoy)
Renkus Heinz (speakers both powered and unpowered)
Stewart Amplifiers (these are real gems super lights and super clean/clear
the down side is they dont ake an amp larger than 400w/ch @8ohm)


I'll also recommend the QSC RMX series amplifiers as being cheap,
bulletproof,
and accurate. They aren't as clean-sounding as the Haflers but they are
more
reliable in a PA application.
--scott

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a $1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

--
Michael Gaster
Live Performance Solutions Inc.

[Scott Dorsey]

michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a $1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[michael gaster]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a $1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.
--scott

are you sure you don't mean PLX, because RMX really is garbage.

--
Michael Gaster
Live Performance Solutions Inc.

[Eeyore]

michael gaster wrote:

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a $1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.
--scott

are you sure you don't mean PLX, because RMX really is garbage.

Do tell me about the issues you have with the RMXs.

Graham

[-zero]

"michael gaster" wrote in message
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a
$1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound
like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.
--scott

are you sure you don't mean PLX, because RMX really is garbage.

I've googled "QSC RMX problem" and the majority of the results are
like,
_not a problem_, _no problem in 4 years_, etc.

I have/had the 3500, 1400, and even a USA model that actually worked
OK.
They all sound very nice with Tannoy CPA-15's & 12's. I've never herd the
RMX line.

What exactly is the bad?

-zero

[Scott Dorsey]

michael gaster wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a $1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.

are you sure you don't mean PLX, because RMX really is garbage.

No, the PLX boxes have all kinds of gadgets that I don't need. What I
like about the RMX is that it's totally stripped down (as you'd expect
for the installed market).

Honestly, though, I have used the RMX and the MX-series before it, and
haven't had trouble. What are you experiencing?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[michael gaster]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
michael gaster wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
michael gaster wrote:

I would never recommend a RMX series amplifier and especially for a
$1000+
speaker these amplifier have almost unlimited issues and really sound
like
garbage I would take a CS series Peavey before a QSC RMX

What sort of issues? I have used them in theatre installs and they seem
extremely bulletproof. They aren't the cleanest sounding things in the
world but I wouldn't call them garbage.

are you sure you don't mean PLX, because RMX really is garbage.

No, the PLX boxes have all kinds of gadgets that I don't need. What I
like about the RMX is that it's totally stripped down (as you'd expect
for the installed market).

Honestly, though, I have used the RMX and the MX-series before it, and
haven't had trouble. What are you experiencing?
--scott

the biggest issue has been the gain pots seperating from the circuit board
and causeing the amplifier to stop passing signal, I have seen this in all
pots of 5 different amplifiers. issues with overheating and shutting down, I
have experienced in another 3 (seperate amplifiers), with reguard to the
over heating and shutting down we're talking while being driven with a
signal that averages at 0 with peaks of +6~ +9! ...far from robust.

and over all they dont sound good at all... now consider the amplifiers I
have always owned were Renkus-Heinz (when they made rack mount amplifiers
which are very high end) Lab Gruppen, and Stewart amps.

they are worth what they cost and I suppose on a $100-$500 speaker probably
will do just fine, but when considering what amplifier to put on a single
speaker that cost over $1k, this product should not even be a contender.
--
Michael Gaster
Live Performance Solutions Inc.

[Scott Dorsey]

michael gaster wrote:

the biggest issue has been the gain pots seperating from the circuit board
and causeing the amplifier to stop passing signal, I have seen this in all
pots of 5 different amplifiers. issues with overheating and shutting down, I
have experienced in another 3 (seperate amplifiers), with reguard to the
over heating and shutting down we're talking while being driven with a
signal that averages at 0 with peaks of +6~ +9! ...far from robust.

Yeah, I could sure see that happening. In an installed situation where
the amp never leaves the rack, that's a non-issue, but I could see if
you're carrying it around a lot and _especially_ if you're propping it up
on its back that you could wreck those pretty easily.

and over all they dont sound good at all... now consider the amplifiers I
have always owned were Renkus-Heinz (when they made rack mount amplifiers
which are very high end) Lab Gruppen, and Stewart amps.

I always had terrible experiences with Stewart amps... the QSCs always
seemed a lot more reliable and clean-sounding.

I agree that the Renkus-Heinz and Lab Gruppen amps do sound better than
the RMX-series, probably because they just have less stuff in the signal
path. The higher grade Hafler amps definitely are a step up, but I have
seen more failures on them (again in an installed sound situation where
the gear isn't being bumped around much and the failures are pretty much
all electrical rather than mechanical).

they are worth what they cost and I suppose on a $100-$500 speaker probably
will do just fine, but when considering what amplifier to put on a single
speaker that cost over $1k, this product should not even be a contender.

I do think the RMX is underrated and sounds better than its price tag would
indicate, but your point about punching in the gain trims is well-taken.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."