"dourmaj" wrote in message
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I didn't write the "What it takes" piece, I believe a Democrat did.

Everone knows the original "what it takes" piece, and few really care
who wrote it, but you wrote this manifesto... so don't duck the
response!

Perhaps if you checked with the link I posted you could see where it
came
from. Of course, this will make you look like an idiot.


Nice try... despite the "link(s)" that seem to go nowhere, the 'title'
shows up in many places: nightly news, congressional speeches (and
rebukes), multiple rec.something.nothing newsgroups - and likewise in
numerous cross-posts... its been used for years... So I say again...
you either have a lot of extra time, or are a plagarist... if this
commentary is not yours then simply cite who wrote it,

I can't cite who wrote it since they author is not listed.

post it
appropriately, and moderate objectively.



You can say it til hell freezes over, it won't change the fact that I
didn't write it. If you followed the link I posted it goes to a page where
one of the names you can't miss is Noam Chomsky. I don't know about you but
most people don't consider him to be a rabid conservative.

Halfway down the page you find this:

Political Dissent and Dissidents
a.. NEW!! What it means to be a Democrat!
b.. Free Lori! Lori Berenson is an American citizen who has been held as a
political prisoner in Peru for four years in conditions that are universally
recognized as inhumane. She was convicted in a blatantly unfair trial, and
is being punished because of her concern for the poor and oppressed of Peru
and, indeed, of the world. Visit this site and learn what you can do to help
her re-gain her freedom and be re-united with her family.
Lori's family is right now in the midst of a focused effort to get
President Clinton to intervene on Lori's behalf, as he is obliged to do by
law.

a.. My assessment of Lori's case is here. (Spanish translation available
here.)
b.. Who is the real criminal?
c.. My 5/5/00 op/ed in the Times of Trenton.
d.. August 2000 developments (the new "trial" dodge)
e.. Article in the Nation ("The Lori Berenson Papers") and my response
f.. My 10/12/00 op/ed in the Star Ledger
g.. Secondary Victims 12/5/01
c.. Mumia Abu-Jamal: "The principal that the state judicial system should
be granted the right to kill has been rejected and condemned in most of the
world. The time is long past for the United States to become part of this
moral universe. The free resort to the death penalty, in accord with growing
practice here, is simply an outrage -- heightened further by the ways it is
implemented, targeting juveniles, the mentally retarded, and those too
disadvantaged to resist tainted and dubious judicial proceedings,
overwhelmingly the poor and oppressed minorities. The case of Mumia
Abu-Jamal has come to symbolize these crimes of state, and rightly so. More
than ample reason has been presented to call for a new trial in this
particular case, and to follow Mumia's honorable and courageous lead in
challenging the entire system of judicial murder: the shameful mode of it's
application, and more deeply, the very principle." -Noam Chomsky
Amnesty's report on the Mumia case -calls for a new trial (a fair one this
time)
NEW Mumia and the R2K Protests - Crashing the Executioners' Ball. Can you
tell the difference between Republican Presidential candidate George Dubya
Bush and Democratic Philly DA Lynne Abraham? Me either.
d.. McSpotlight: This was the longest trial of any kind in UK history, in
which a poor, helpless billion-dollar corporation was forced to bring two
indigent British activists to trial for libelling McDonald's by making such
controversial claims as "Greasy fried food is bad for your health." The
defendants were forced to act as their own lawyers yet prevailed nonetheless
against McDonald's, which spent millions to prosecute the McLibel 2.
e.. Leonard Peltier
f.. The Silencing of an American Dissident
Propaganda: Recognizing It; Combating It
a.. FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting): The organization that,
among other things, not only called
Does this seem like it might be from the right wing to you?

But when people need their "pots stirred" they read a newspaper, or
watch Bill O'Reilly, or whatever. When we want to see what people
think about a particular piece of audio equipment we go to a store, or
ask a question in rec.audio.opinion. But you don't go to a political
debate (at any level) and say what do you think of a particular new
trend in audio design, nor do you go to an audio store and say I'd
like to take up your time discussing why I think we need a three or
more party system that works fairly! But thats a matter of common
sense, and like I implied before... its a free country.

I wouldn't know, I'm not a real Republican or a real Democrat.

Regarless of whether or not you are a political pseudo-nihilist, YOU
posted it, not to mention cross posting it in a rec.audio newsgroup
(who looks like an idiot?)... so again, don't try to duck the
response(s).

J-

I'm not trying to duck anything, I posted what I thought was a very
revealing piece by someone from the left.

Here's more from the page that the link takes you to.

a.. Mumia Abu-Jamal: "The principal that the state judicial system should be
granted the right to kill has been rejected and condemned in most of the
world. The time is long past for the United States to become part of this
moral universe. The free resort to the death penalty, in accord with growing
practice here, is simply an outrage -- heightened further by the ways it is
implemented, targeting juveniles, the mentally retarded, and those too
disadvantaged to resist tainted and dubious judicial proceedings,
overwhelmingly the poor and oppressed minorities. The case of Mumia
Abu-Jamal has come to symbolize these crimes of state, and rightly so. More
than ample reason has been presented to call for a new trial in this
particular case, and to follow Mumia's honorable and courageous lead in
challenging the entire system of judicial murder: the shameful mode of it's
application, and more deeply, the very principle." -Noam Chomsky
Amnesty's report on the Mumia case -calls for a new trial (a fair one this
time)
NEW Mumia and the R2K Protests - Crashing the Executioners' Ball. Can you
tell the difference between Republican Presidential candidate George Dubya
Bush and Democratic Philly DA Lynne Abraham? Me either.
a.. McSpotlight: This was the longest trial of any kind in UK history, in
which a poor, helpless billion-dollar corporation was forced to bring two
indigent British activists to trial for libelling McDonald's by making such
controversial claims as "Greasy fried food is bad for your health." The
defendants were forced to act as their own lawyers yet prevailed nonetheless
against McDonald's, which spent millions to prosecute the McLibel 2.
a..
a..
Again, I ask you does this seem like a bunch of right wing zealots?

You can say it til hell freezes over, it won't change the fact that I
didn't write it. If you followed the link I posted it goes to a page where
one of the names you can't miss is Noam Chomsky. I don't know about you but
most people don't consider him to be a rabid conservative.

What the "hell" are you talking about... Noam Chomsky is one of the
most prolific writers of philosophy and linguistics ever... I'm sure
you could dig up a critic or supporter to defend your points... but
these threads are now like confetti streaming in the wind,
directionless, and without point or purpose...

Halfway down the page you find this:

snip

Again, I ask you does this seem like a bunch of right wing zealots?

....it is whatever you want it to be... and that you post it as a means
to defend your own ego

I think you have become the new 'Ronin' of the rec.audio world...
enjoy!

J-