"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

Lionel wrote:
Marc Phillips - -
samedi 24 Avril 2004 22:17 wrote:

Lionel said:

Thank you for the advice and the link Bruce but I'm afraid that
it would be difficult to find these CDs here in France.

I guess that's because France is a third-world country, no?

Compare to California ? Yes and I'm proud of that. )

You've never been to LA, I take it.

...said the pedophilic Internet geek who lives, of all places, in
the greater Detroit area.

I'll bet you're so stupid and arrogant Phillips that you think this
sort of a meltdown makes you look cool and smart.

Meltdown? What are you talking about, crazy man?

Phillips' inability to examine his own behavior noted.

Mr. Krueger, you know a fair amount of data concerning some aspects of
audio reproduction at a certain level...and totally irrespective of
all the "objectivist/subjectivist" issues endlessly re-hashed on this
site...and even with acknowldgement that there are a number of, shall
we say, colorful, personalities online here...you appear as the most
disturbed persona I have ever beheld in this environment. After a
couple of months of reading posts to determine if I wanted to join in
these forums (my first career was in audio)I have felt that reading
some of the forums was like watching a train wreck, with a few
exceptions, in terms of posters.

While others may disagree, I won't liken you to really sick and
dangerous people. But you strike me as severely lacking in terms of
social development. In this, you stand out even above those who are
more openly vulgar on this site. Many people suffer from conditions
they have little or no contorl over that makes them extremely diffcult
to deal with socially. The difficulties you project are voluntary. You
seem to consider yourself a man of faith from some of the posts I've
read, but if that is so it's mindful of the bumper sticker "I like God
it's just his followers that worry me."

If you had to forego countering with justification of your actions by
using what others do here, what would your excuse be for frequently
choosing to behave in such reprehensible fashion? And, yes, I've read
plenty of your "prove it" and "he started it" (by my observation you
usually "start it") as well as the many other repitious comebacks and
hypocritical debate style you regularly employ. I certainly don't
expect you to address these points with any intellectual integrity.

By the way, I am not a "sockpuppet". I don't plan to post much more,if
any,on this site because I don't think it's a good place overall for
someone who wants to have fun with audio/stereos/music. RAHE & RAO
seem to be as much about many of the "regs" draining the enjoyment out
of a love for gear and music with endlessly predicatble stance-taking
that in the end never changes anything.

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels). The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason. I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

You can defensively pigeon-hole me in whatever fasion you like or
simply dismiss me, but I wrote this as a catharsis for my wading
through so many contentious, ill-spirted BS posts on this site, a heap
upon which you, Mr. Krueger, stood head and shoulders above all.

Considering what I'm learning in my second career, I understand that
these words alone won't initiate any change in your behavior. S-Many
of my current peers would consider many of my remarks inappropriate to
present so bluntly and in an unsolicited situation. But at the end of
the day, Lawd Gawd Almighty!, you are simply reprehensible and
pathetic in a way that garners no sympathy.

dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker at Las
Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between engineering(of
many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound reinforement audio
level) and other more advanced scientific/logical thinking arenas,to
discuss standards that I see lacking here regarding
proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by the objectivisits (hate
these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I assumed that ob/sub would be easily identified as an admittedly lazy
reduction of objectivist/subjectivist. I left out the word "are"
between "here" and "indistinguishable ." The next sentence of mine you
include (below) explains that I am equating "higer reason" with formal
logic, not in an "superior intellect" manner, if that helps.

I wrote:

I honestly don't say that in a mean way , but in refernce to
true logical process. It seems the subs are truly having more fun.

You then write:

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker at Las
Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...


Isn't your applying the term "obsessive sucker" to a broad range of
people you disagree with taking the time to engage in name-calling?

As for Vegas, many people do indeed spend money there and have fun,
and many don't. I've witnessed both, and experienced both, though I
confess it was always a sighted procedure. I point out that a person
can spend money for fun, even extravagant amounts if avaiable, and may
not reasonably be labeled automatically as a sucker or obsessive. In
addition, a person can hoard money, or not have fun, and may still be
reasonably (but not automatically) labeled as obsessive or a sucker.

dansteel wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
dansteel wrote:

I almost would like to get into the differences between
engineering(of many types, but specifically the consumer/pro sound
reinforement audio level) and other more advanced
scientific/logical thinking arenas,to discuss standards that I see
lacking here regarding proofs/methods/conclusions ad presented by
the objectivisits (hate these labels).

So far so good.

The premises behind sides taken on typical ob/sub
debates here indistinguishable from each other in terms of higher
reason.

?????????????????????

I assumed that ob/sub would be easily identified as an admittedly lazy
reduction of objectivist/subjectivist.

That I get. It's the indistinguishability that I don't get.

If you can't tell the difference between the logical planes inhabited by
so-called objectivists and subjectivists, then there's no benefit to trying
to reason with you or for your benefit.

If you call name-calling and spending money like a obsessive sucker
at Las Vegas fun, then I really don't have the time...

Isn't your applying the term "obsessive sucker" to a broad range of
people you disagree with taking the time to engage in name-calling?

I was describing a specific kind of behavior, not call specific people bad
names.

Lionel wrote:


Bruce J. Richman - - dimanche
25 Avril 2004 21:43 wrote:

Sander de Waal wrote:


Lionel said:

I recently purchase "Empyrean Isles" (1964) and "Inventions &
Dimensions" (1963) from Herbie Hancock. If you don't know, I recommend
them.

Thanks, but I do know those albums.
In fact, I think I have everything Herbie ever recorded, on CD or LP.
He's my all-time favourite piano player ( I play piano myself, so that
might explain why).

J.S. Bach: Brandenburgse Konzerte by Gustav Leonard & Orchestra.

You are really courageous.
I've copied nearly all my LPs on CD.
I don't understand where you find the courage to turn and clean these
things twice in 40 minutes.

I hardly see this as a problem.
Everything should be "interactive" these days, no? :-)


It's not a problem for many of us. Also, it is definitely not necessary
to clean LPs more than once, provided that an appropriate cleaning
solution and
method is used. A carbon fibre brush generallly can take care of any dust
that
might be on an already-cleaned record. Unlike the digital bigot from
Detroit and his Californian puppet, I don't think its worth while to trash
peoples'
preferences.

BTW this preserves them from my terrible Technics turntable
agressions... ;-)

Oh well.........go find yourself a good ERA at the pawnshop :-)


That might be a cost-effective way to go. Or how about a used Rega or
Project
turntable. They are relatively inexpensive in the USA, so I would guess
they
would be even cheaper in Europe. Just make sure whatever you get is belt
drive.

eBay is another source for turntables, sometimes bargain-priced.

I also have an old Thorens one in my basement which need a new "cellule" (I
don't know the name in english) and also a new stylus, it's a big wooden
thing with an awful heavy "plexiglass cap". ;-)
I haven't had the idea to put it on eBay, thank you for the tip Bruce. )









I obviously wasn't suggesting that you dump your turntable, but since you feel
that vinyl playback is too much of a bother for you and not worth the enjoyment
you might derive, do whatever you want, of course. In general, proiducts sold
on eBay in need of fepair or hard to sell for any reasonable amount. Since you
have a Thorens, a very decent brand, why not find out from a reputable dealer
how much it would cost to fix? You would then be in a better position to sell
it to finance your digital preferences .






Bruce J. Richman