[paul packer]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:10:12 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Indeed, having bought the NAD as an
upgrade, why did I not hear any improvement in the basic, unmodified
player--- since I'd paid good money for it, shouldn't I have deluded
myself into thinking it was actually better sounding when it wasn't?

It's possible that your old player was broke and the new player did sound
better. Or not.

Hmmmm.../funny to hear that CD players can be "broke" in a way that
doing some dampening can help them out.

Now THAT'S science at its best!


What confuses me about Arnie's quote is that I said the new player
didn't sound better. He then says a possible reason the new player
sounded better was that the old one was "broke". I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations. My experiences, and much anecdotal
evidence, shows there's no pattern of that at all.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations. My experiences, and much anecdotal
evidence, shows there's no pattern of that at all.

Arnii lives to argue with strangers on the Internet. Without this outlet,
he'd have imploded long ago, probably by shooting up a shopping mall.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[JimC]

George M. Middius wrote:

paul packer said:


I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations. My experiences, and much anecdotal
evidence, shows there's no pattern of that at all.


Arnii lives to argue with strangers on the Internet. Without this outlet,
he'd have imploded long ago, probably by shooting up a shopping mall.

Does anyone remember the last time Middius posted anything about audio?
Any audio topics introduced by Middius this year, for example?

Jim

[George M. Middius]

Queenie Catie apologizes for the Krooborg.

I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations. My experiences, and much anecdotal
evidence, shows there's no pattern of that at all.

Arnii lives to argue with strangers on the Internet. Without this outlet,
he'd have imploded long ago, probably by shooting up a shopping mall.

Does anyone remember the last time Middius posted anything about audio?
Any audio topics introduced by Middius this year, for example?

Queenie, I wasn't talking to you or about you. Why did you jump in to
deflect the focus from Arnii Kroofeces? Are you in love with Mr. ****?

[JimC]

George M. Middius wrote:

Queenie Catie apologizes for the Krooborg. /

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????

Queenie, I wasn't talking to you or about you. Why did you jump in to
deflect the focus from Arnii Kroofeces? Are you in love with Mr. ****?


Actually, Georgie, I wasn't talking to you either. You must be getting
somewhat defensive to think people who talk about you (naturally) are
trying to "deflect the focus" away from your very important, scholarly
note.

Jim

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
JimC wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:

paul packer said:


I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations. My experiences, and much anecdotal
evidence, shows there's no pattern of that at all.


Arnii lives to argue with strangers on the Internet. Without this outlet,
he'd have imploded long ago, probably by shooting up a shopping mall.

Does anyone remember the last time Middius posted anything about audio?
Any audio topics introduced by Middius this year, for example?

Good on you for bottom-posting.

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:10:12 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:16:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Indeed, having bought the NAD as an
upgrade, why did I not hear any improvement in the basic, unmodified
player--- since I'd paid good money for it, shouldn't I have deluded
myself into thinking it was actually better sounding when it wasn't?

It's possible that your old player was broke and the new player did sound
better. Or not.

Hmmmm.../funny to hear that CD players can be "broke" in a way that
doing some dampening can help them out.

Now THAT'S science at its best!


What confuses me about Arnie's quote is that I said the new player
didn't sound better. He then says a possible reason the new player
sounded better was that the old one was "broke".

No, I didn't say that. I said and I have to quote since you are so incapable
of reading and grasping simple meanings, Paul:

"It's possible that your old player was broke and the new player did sound
better. Or not."


I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations.

Another example of your inability to read and grasp simple meanings, Paul. I
never said that "...we're all being fooled by appearances, (and) brand
reputations...".

My experiences, and much anecdotal evidence, shows there's no pattern of
that at all.

The bottom line Paul is that unless one or the other of the optical disc
players that you are comparing is in really bad shape, you have no way of
knowing which sounds better, worse, or even different.

Please see my comments about Marc's ludicrous means for comparing
turntables. Many of them apply to your optical disc player comparisons.

[paul packer]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:09:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


What confuses me about Arnie's quote is that I said the new player
didn't sound better. He then says a possible reason the new player
sounded better was that the old one was "broke".

No, I didn't say that. I said and I have to quote since you are so incapable
of reading and grasping simple meanings, Paul:

"It's possible that your old player was broke and the new player did sound
better. Or not."

Yes, and I had said that the new player didn't sound better. So why
give a possible reason why the new player sounded better when I said
the new player didn't sound better.

I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations.

Another example of your inability to read and grasp simple meanings, Paul. I
never said that "...we're all being fooled by appearances, (and) brand
reputations...".

In those words? Possibly not, but you've said it in other words a
thousand times. C'mon, Arnie, stop dodging about. What else is the
"sighted listening" you're always decrying but being fooled by
appearances. As for brand reputations, how many times have you
implied that audiophools are prepared to love the sound of a Krell or
whatever simply because it is a Krell and not a JVC integrated? It's
the main stanchion of your politican platform.

My experiences, and much anecdotal evidence, shows there's no pattern of
that at all.

The bottom line Paul is that unless one or the other of the optical disc
players that you are comparing is in really bad shape, you have no way of
knowing which sounds better, worse, or even different.

Well, that is ludicrous. Here I confess that my powers of
comprehension really do fail me. Arnie, I have no idea what you're
talking about.

Next time I'm comparing two CD players, I'll smash one on the floor
first so that I know which sounds better and which worse, and which
just different. .

[Arny Krueger]

paul packer wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:09:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


What confuses me about Arnie's quote is that I said the new player
didn't sound better. He then says a possible reason the new player
sounded better was that the old one was "broke".

No, I didn't say that. I said and I have to quote since you are so
incapable of reading and grasping simple meanings, Paul:

"It's possible that your old player was broke and the new player did
sound better. Or not."

Yes, and I had said that the new player didn't sound better. So why
give a possible reason why the new player sounded better when I said
the new player didn't sound better.

OK Paul, you're so dense that you can't apply something I say if it isn't
spelled out for you, up front and personal. Here was my response from my
previous post, put where you shouldn't be able to miss it:

The bottom line Paul is that unless one or the other of the optical
disc players that you are comparing is in really bad shape, you have
no way of knowing which sounds better, worse, or even different.

Please see my comments about Marc's ludicrous means for comparing
turntables. Many of them apply to your optical disc player comparisons.

I simply want to know
why real world experience appears to fly in the face of Arny's
contention that we're all being fooled by appearances, brand
reputations and our expectations.

Another example of your inability to read and grasp simple meanings,
Paul. I never said that "...we're all being fooled by appearances,
(and) brand reputations...".

In those words? Possibly not, but you've said it in other words a
thousand times.

Nice job of not taking responsibility for your false claims, Paul.

C'mon, Arnie, stop dodging about. What else is the
"sighted listening" you're always decrying but being fooled by
appearances.

Please see my comments about Marc's ludicrous means for comparing
turntables. Many of them apply to your optical disc player comparisons.

As for brand reputations, how many times have you
implied that audiophools are prepared to love the sound of a Krell or
whatever simply because it is a Krell and not a JVC integrated? It's
the main stanchion of your politican platform.

Please see my comments about Marc's ludicrous means for comparing
turntables. Many of them apply to your optical disc player comparisons.

My experiences, and much anecdotal evidence, shows there's no
pattern of that at all.

The bottom line Paul is that unless one or the other of the optical
disc players that you are comparing is in really bad shape, you have
no way of knowing which sounds better, worse, or even different.

Here's the explanatory text that Paul cut out as part of his ongoing
attempts to win arguments with intellectual dishonesty

Please see my comments about Marc's ludicrous means for comparing
turntables. Many of them apply to your optical disc player comparisons.

Well, that is ludicrous.

Dismissive attitude noted.

Here I confess that my powers of
comprehension really do fail me. Arnie, I have no idea what you're
talking about.

Yes you do Paul. That's why you butcher what I write - you understand
exactly what I said and how I destroyed your objections.

Next time I'm comparing two CD players, I'll smash one on the floor
first so that I know which sounds better and which worse, and which
just different. .

Be my guest Paul -that would be a very childish thing for you to do, but it
would be completely in character.

[paul packer]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:43:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Here's the explanatory text that Paul cut out as part of his ongoing
attempts to win arguments with intellectual dishonesty


I don't often make straight-out derogatory remarks, but you're a
goose, Arny.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

Here's the explanatory text that Paul cut out as part of his ongoing
attempts to win arguments with intellectual dishonesty

I don't often make straight-out derogatory remarks, but you're a
goose, Arny.

Arnii believes that no matter how much of a ****head he is while in
"debating trade" frenzy, he can make up for all of it by going to church
every now and then. He has this fantasy that "god" is sitting up in heaven
with an abacus, racking up the "good works" to offset Turdborg's mean and
nasty behavior. (I'm not making this up -- Krooger has described all of it
previously.)





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006