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Even at 664 mHz, my Dell Axim 51V takes about 20X the time to
load CNN
as
the 1 gHz ulv Centrino in my subnotebook.

and the Axim is Xscale based running Windows Mobile
with probably only 64 Mb ram versus your
notebook and still trying to support VGA.
No wonder it sucks.
You bought one of these?

ScottW

What is your point?

That your whole comment was irrelevant to the longevity of the
ARM
both as a base band processor and an application processor.

Will there be Vistas in PDAs someday? Maybe. Will there be an
Arm
processor providing baseband support as well? Probably.

Will buffoons still be trying to surf the web with PDAs'? Most
certainly.

Gratuitous insult, Scott. You've been spending too much time in
elevators.

Childish hypocrisy noted.

ScottW

The ARM will be around, as is the 7400 quad-NAND gate. But it will
occupy a seriously diminished role in embedded architecture. Your
failure to perceive that is indicative of a dwarfish mind, even if you
are of normal stature.

Top that, buddy! It's OT, while exemplifying sarcasm at it's finest

LOL. Are you really proud? Is this a highlight for you?
Yup, that's a hoot. you just claimed the nand gate is losing its role
in
embedded architecture..... that's good Bob.
I wonder what Intel has on the drawing board to replace it?

BTW, ARM is still developing and adding processors to a growing
library of designs. Does this really resemble a 6502 Bob?
http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM926EJ-S.html
I had a processor applications class in college using a single
board computer called the AIM 6502.
I don't recall having any DSP or floating processors to
utilize back then.
Don't you think referring to their growing portfolio of
processors as "The ARM" is a bit silly?

ScottW
Scott, I'm going to push the sarcasm aside for a moment. In this
business, nothing lasts forever, where the modern meaning of "forever" is
about five years.

OK.

On the other hand, it takes a long time for things to go away entirely.
But there is a point I want to make, which is not whether ARM will be
around in embedded systems, but about the future of handheld computing.
Intel sold this part of their business, XScale,

Bob, Did you know the Xscale is an ARM derivative and Intel
has to pay royalties to ARM on it sales?

because they believe that in four years, they will have a general
purpose, complex-instruction CPU that runs on the power budget of ARM
based WM. When that happens, Windows Mobile as an entity running on ARM
will become completely obsolete. And ARM will no longer have that
application.

Windows Mobile has plenty of competition.

The biggest problem intel has is zero IP in todays communications
tech. They have to pay royalties to everyone to play in the space
at all. Qualcomm for CDMA and Nokia, Siemans & TI for GSM etc.
They couldn't compete with that burden so they only tried to play
in the secondary applications processor market. And they did it
with a design they still had to pay royalties on.
That means multiple chips and larger power hungry and costlier
designs. It didn't work and the integrated players were
winning the volume market sweet spots.
So Intel bailed....again.
Look at their TV chip venture...lasted 10 months before they
surrendered there as well.

This whole future venture depends on them pulling off WiMax.
Sprint signed on to take a flyer and try to leapfrog
Verizon which beat them badly with the first EVDO
deployments. They've been struggling to find
a way out of a trailing position so they jumped on
WiMax before its even a standard.


Of course, there will always be applications for simple cores running in
embedded systems. So ARM will probably be around for a while. But we must
remember at the same time that ARM does not have specific features for
DSP or other high data rate apps. ARM works with other special purpose
cores to accomplish this. Because ARM is not itself a specialized core,
future obsolesence is a possibility.

and feature addition is also a possibility. ARM cores are cheap, don't
take
a lot of space, play well together and share memory easily.
Dual ARM chips are here and they work at power and performance
points that meet the market needs.
Intel is a failure in this market...and to claim they will succeed in 5
years
from now in a Market they just exited and were claiming to target
5 years ago, seems a stretch right now.
Might happen and the market is very alluring with its volumes,
but they're track record isn't that great and they're
struggling to match AMD. Remember the Pentium M was really
a face saving lark for them. Time will tell.

ScottW

Your position is reasonable. My compliments.