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Krueger" wrote:
I think that the quality of many modern CD
reissues of recordings origionally issued on CD
in the early-mid 80s is atrocious because of the
dynamic range compression that also seems to be
endemic in modern releases these days.

The Dylan SACD hybrid box is still available at
yourmusic, sixteen discs for under $100 plus tax.

No doubt listed under "dead formats".

No, "box sets." :-) As players are available and
these SACDs exist, there's no reason someone
interested in the collection shouldn't take
advantage.
So, do these recordings have their dynamics
compressed or not?

Probably no more so than the masters.

So you have no actual practical knowlege?

Of the masters? Of course not.

No silly, of the recordings. If the dynamics are
objectionably compressed then you would be able to hear
it if you had any real-world experience with the
recordings, right?
Certainly not the
modern crunchy loudness compression some of us
dislike.

There is no guarantee of that.

No, there isn't, but secondary sources lead me to
believe it.

Other sources tell an entirely different story. So now
we're down to dueling secondary sources.


Let's be clear.

OK, here's the OP's reference, again:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ogy+NewsNews-2


Thank you. That's a start.

It's just pointing out an obvious thing that you blew off the first time
through, Harry.

Dylan was not talking about *HIS* remastered recordings.

That's a reach, given the full text of the original
article.

His "remastered" recordings were done on Hybrid SACD with
no compression other than what was on the master tapes.

Reliable evidence is where?

He may have been referring to his recordings of the last
two decades, as well as other peoples' recordings during
this time frame. But his recordings during this time
frame are not "remastered".

Reliable evidence is where?


And for the record, they are *not* compressed.

How do you know for sure, Harry?

I listen, Arny.

Reliable evidence is where?

It ain't too hard to pick out an
overly-compressed record.

That's not the same as your earlier unsubstantiated claim of the SACD
recordings being uncompressed. Thanks for demonstrating your dissembelation
module, Harry.

Neither he nor I is talking
about the normal track compression that might, for
example, be used to pull a vocalist forward in the mix,
or smooth out a slight variation in volume from head
movement.

Dissemble on, dude.

He was talking about the state of the pop recording
scene in general.

Maybe, maybe not.

What about " don't know anybody who's made a record that
sounds decent in the past 20 years, really" do you not
understand.

Sounds like hyperbole to me.

And Dylan doesn't concern himself with
classical or jazz.

I see no such qualifications. AFAIK Dylan, like most people, listens to more
than one genre of music.

That leaves pop-rock, comprende?

Posture on, Harry. Your *fact* creation module is working overtime, it
seems.

And he wasn't just talking about
compression....he made specific reference to what todays
engineers call "grunge",

The word "grunge" does not appear in the referenced
source. This is yet another regrettable case of Harry
making things up as he goes along.

Can you read, Arny? Did I say he used the word "grunge"?

So what do quotation marks mean in your part of outer space, Harry?

Or did I refer to "what todays
engineers call "grunge".

I don't see many modern engineers using the word grunge very often. Only 6
mentions on RAP so far this year, and half of them were to grunge as a
musical genre, not as a EFX.

You do understand the
difference between "what Dylan says" and "what todays
engineers call "grunge", don't you Arny?

It appears that there is no single generally-agreed upon meaning of the word
grunge, Harry. Bad choice of words, again.

sometimes deliberate and
sometimes just bad engineering or bad equipment,

Often good engineers using good equipment do this sort
of thing, because a producer or A&R person asks for it.

I believe my use of the words "deliberate" and "or" cover
that rather nicely. Or don't you remember English 101?

Pardon me for temporily losing your mish-mash of personal inventions and
obscure wanderings, Harry.


Hey, some people prefer vinyl, and that's just an
obsolete medium with inherent audible grunge. There's no
accounting for taste or lack of it.

Since you seem to thrive on misstatement, please note
that nowhere in the article does Dylan refer to "vinyl". He uses the
generic term "records", which frankly is the
term most musicians and many engineers use to refer to
the recordings, even today. And especially those old
enough to record when records really were "records".

So what are you saying Harry - in your world "record stores" only sell LPs?

LOL!

as opposed to the time-honored tradition of trying to
seperate instrumental lines even in a forceful dynamic.

Does this sentence even make sense?

I see you haven't learned much from your time on RAP,
have you Arny? Too busy talking, perhaps?

Psoture on, dude.

Lavolish, anybody?

Nah, I have no ambitions to match your command of whole
new languages, Arny.

Whatever winds your clock, Harry. As usual, its wound a bit tightly tonight.

Arny, you participate in RAP and you *know* that many of
the folks there bemoan this same thing...and they *are*
recording professionals for the most part.

What I know about RAP is that many of your posts get
laughed at, Harry. Leading reason is that you don't know
what you are talking about. You don't even know the
current words of art.

Arny, I post on RAP perhaps once for every 100 times you
do.

The stated reason being one reason why, it seems.

And of the dozen or so times I have done so over the
years, I have never had any negative or mocking response.

It's easy to talk behind your back to your face, Harry.

So perhaps you've formed a club, and dozens of engineers
are writing to you privately to laugh at me? I don't
suppose this could be wishful thinking or conjecture on
your part, could it Arny?

What is your point of arguing here?

Trolling you Harry, so you can wet yourself in public,
one more time and with feeling. ;-)

Childish, naughty, potty-talk noted. One more time, and
with feeling, Arny. :-(

Lame IKWYABWAI noted.

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In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:
I think that the quality of many modern CD
reissues of recordings origionally issued on CD
in the early-mid 80s is atrocious because of the
dynamic range compression that also seems to be
endemic in modern releases these days.

The Dylan SACD hybrid box is still available at
yourmusic, sixteen discs for under $100 plus tax.

No doubt listed under "dead formats".

No, "box sets." :-) As players are available and
these SACDs exist, there's no reason someone
interested in the collection shouldn't take
advantage.
So, do these recordings have their dynamics
compressed or not?

Probably no more so than the masters.

So you have no actual practical knowlege?

Of the masters? Of course not.

No silly, of the recordings. If the dynamics are
objectionably compressed then you would be able to hear
it if you had any real-world experience with the
recordings, right?
Certainly not the
modern crunchy loudness compression some of us
dislike.

There is no guarantee of that.

No, there isn't, but secondary sources lead me to
believe it.

Other sources tell an entirely different story. So now
we're down to dueling secondary sources.


Let's be clear.

OK, here's the OP's reference, again:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ogy+NewsNews-2


Thank you. That's a start.

It's just pointing out an obvious thing that you blew off the first time
through, Harry.

Dylan was not talking about *HIS* remastered recordings.

That's a reach, given the full text of the original
article.

His "remastered" recordings were done on Hybrid SACD with
no compression other than what was on the master tapes.

Reliable evidence is where?

He may have been referring to his recordings of the last
two decades, as well as other peoples' recordings during
this time frame. But his recordings during this time
frame are not "remastered".

Reliable evidence is where?


And for the record, they are *not* compressed.

How do you know for sure, Harry?

I listen, Arny.

Reliable evidence is where?

It ain't too hard to pick out an
overly-compressed record.

That's not the same as your earlier unsubstantiated claim of the SACD
recordings being uncompressed. Thanks for demonstrating your
dissembelation module, Harry.

Neither he nor I is talking
about the normal track compression that might, for
example, be used to pull a vocalist forward in the mix,
or smooth out a slight variation in volume from head
movement.

Dissemble on, dude.

He was talking about the state of the pop recording
scene in general.

Maybe, maybe not.

What about " don't know anybody who's made a record that
sounds decent in the past 20 years, really" do you not
understand.

Sounds like hyperbole to me.

And Dylan doesn't concern himself with
classical or jazz.

I see no such qualifications. AFAIK Dylan, like most people, listens to
more than one genre of music.

That leaves pop-rock, comprende?

Posture on, Harry. Your *fact* creation module is working overtime, it
seems.

And he wasn't just talking about
compression....he made specific reference to what todays
engineers call "grunge",

The word "grunge" does not appear in the referenced
source. This is yet another regrettable case of Harry
making things up as he goes along.

Can you read, Arny? Did I say he used the word "grunge"?

So what do quotation marks mean in your part of outer space, Harry?

Or did I refer to "what todays
engineers call "grunge".

I don't see many modern engineers using the word grunge very often. Only 6
mentions on RAP so far this year, and half of them were to grunge as a
musical genre, not as a EFX.

You do understand the
difference between "what Dylan says" and "what todays
engineers call "grunge", don't you Arny?

It appears that there is no single generally-agreed upon meaning of the
word grunge, Harry. Bad choice of words, again.

sometimes deliberate and
sometimes just bad engineering or bad equipment,

Often good engineers using good equipment do this sort
of thing, because a producer or A&R person asks for it.

I believe my use of the words "deliberate" and "or" cover
that rather nicely. Or don't you remember English 101?

Pardon me for temporily losing your mish-mash of personal inventions and
obscure wanderings, Harry.


Hey, some people prefer vinyl, and that's just an
obsolete medium with inherent audible grunge. There's no
accounting for taste or lack of it.

Since you seem to thrive on misstatement, please note
that nowhere in the article does Dylan refer to "vinyl". He uses the
generic term "records", which frankly is the
term most musicians and many engineers use to refer to
the recordings, even today. And especially those old
enough to record when records really were "records".

So what are you saying Harry - in your world "record stores" only sell
LPs?

LOL!

as opposed to the time-honored tradition of trying to
seperate instrumental lines even in a forceful dynamic.

Does this sentence even make sense?

I see you haven't learned much from your time on RAP,
have you Arny? Too busy talking, perhaps?

Psoture on, dude.

Lavolish, anybody?

Nah, I have no ambitions to match your command of whole
new languages, Arny.

Whatever winds your clock, Harry. As usual, its wound a bit tightly
tonight.

Arny, you participate in RAP and you *know* that many of
the folks there bemoan this same thing...and they *are*
recording professionals for the most part.

What I know about RAP is that many of your posts get
laughed at, Harry. Leading reason is that you don't know
what you are talking about. You don't even know the
current words of art.

Arny, I post on RAP perhaps once for every 100 times you
do.

The stated reason being one reason why, it seems.

And of the dozen or so times I have done so over the
years, I have never had any negative or mocking response.

It's easy to talk behind your back to your face, Harry.

So perhaps you've formed a club, and dozens of engineers
are writing to you privately to laugh at me? I don't
suppose this could be wishful thinking or conjecture on
your part, could it Arny?

What is your point of arguing here?

Trolling you Harry, so you can wet yourself in public,
one more time and with feeling. ;-)

Childish, naughty, potty-talk noted. One more time, and
with feeling, Arny. :-(

Lame IKWYABWAI noted.


An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

Oh, sorry. There is one piece of substance after all. You cite "RAP" as
your definitive tool for searching for engineers who used the word grunge.
I guess that means you don't get or read ProAudio, EQ, Mix, or Recorder
magazines on a regular basis. My interest in the field is not so narrow,
Arny.

[Arny Krueger]

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An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Oh, sorry. There is one piece of substance after all. You cite "RAP" as
your definitive tool for searching for
engineers who used the word grunge. I guess that means
you don't get or read ProAudio, EQ, Mix, or Recorder
magazines on a regular basis. My interest in the field
is not so narrow, Arny.

I get it Harry, you have special subscriptions to Mix, ProAudio, etc. that
include online searching. Not!

Anybody with a brain would know that is the reason for my choice. Sorry to
leave you out, Harry.

[paul packer]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

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An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?

[TT]

"paul packer" wrote in message
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: An entire post with no substance whatsoever.
Congratulations, Arny.
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: You reap what you sew, Harry.
:
: Mixed metaphor?

Where as I rip what I sew ;-)

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?

It's Krooglish. Forget what you know about human language.




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[Arny Krueger]

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paul packer said:

An entire post with no substance whatsoever.
Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?

It's Krooglish. Forget what you know about human language.

Right - if it is related to humans, Middius knows nothing of it.

[Clyde Slick]

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
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An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?


I ususally sew what I rip, then
I ususally rip what I sew.



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[Jenn]

Clyde Slick wrote:
"paul packer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?


I ususally sew what I rip, then
I ususally rip what I sew.

So?

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

I ususally sew what I rip, then
I ususally rip what I sew.

So?

R.I.P. this thread.




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Clyde Slick wrote:
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:14:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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An entire post with no substance whatsoever. Congratulations, Arny.

You reap what you sew, Harry.

Mixed metaphor?


I ususally sew what I rip, then
I ususally rip what I sew.

So?

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