Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.

I only notice it when its not used properly


"Fa3ien" wrote in message
...
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:43:18 +0200, Fa3ien
wrote:

Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.

Cher - Do you believe
Kid Rock - the slow ballad one...don't remember the name
Very heavily used on both to the extent of it being an effect rather
than correction.

Monophonic vocal tuning is what it does.
And yes, it has a "sound."
If you can, go some place to A/B it, record a vocal pass, the listen without
and with.
Have you heard about Melodyne?
Check that out. I hear it's great!
Now the only reason to use "AT" is if you want it playing with the highend.

Tom



"Fa3ien" wrote in message
...
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.

Fa3ien wrote:
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Most famous example is Cher's "Do you believe in life after love" where
it's cranked up to the max.

Bit less obvious, but still very audible is Craig David's "I'm walking
away".

In Red Hot Chilipeppers' album "Californication" it is used too, but
subtly this time.

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.
Listen to these three and you'll know what I mean.

wrote:
Fa3ien wrote:
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Most famous example is Cher's "Do you believe in life after love" where
it's cranked up to the max.

Bit less obvious, but still very audible is Craig David's "I'm walking
away".

In Red Hot Chilipeppers' album "Californication" it is used too, but
subtly this time.

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.
Listen to these three and you'll know what I mean.

I may be getting my technologies mixed up, but I thought those were
examples of Vocoder effects, which gives them the harsh
robotic/metallic sounding pitch correction? Is autotune not used more
subtly to fix faulty pitch in a recorded performance, rather than as a
full-on sound effect? I suppose it could be used in a more extreme
fashion to give similar effects but my interpretation of the OP was
that he was looking for the artifacts left behind by gentle
pitch-correction.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RHCP *did* use pitch correction (as
opposed to a vocoder effect) though; Keidis is a good frontman but
can't hold a tune in a bucket.

Big Tim schreef:
wrote:
Fa3ien wrote:
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.
Most famous example is Cher's "Do you believe in life after love" where
it's cranked up to the max.

Bit less obvious, but still very audible is Craig David's "I'm walking
away".

In Red Hot Chilipeppers' album "Californication" it is used too, but
subtly this time.

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.
Listen to these three and you'll know what I mean.

I may be getting my technologies mixed up, but I thought those were
examples of Vocoder effects, which gives them the harsh
robotic/metallic sounding pitch correction? Is autotune not used more
subtly to fix faulty pitch in a recorded performance, rather than as a
full-on sound effect? I suppose it could be used in a more extreme
fashion to give similar effects but my interpretation of the OP was
that he was looking for the artifacts left behind by gentle
pitch-correction.


The time from the start of the note to the moment the plugin kicks in
determines the effect to a large extent. If you turn that down to zero,
the plugin will be very audible, whereas if you set it to have a longer
"attack" time it may be much more subtle.
But I'm sure there are other tricks. I've never tried it out but with
Autotune you could even do pitch shifting, i.e. changing the pitch
further away than the nearest semitone. That will probably sound even
more robotic.

Jos.

--
Ardis Park Music
www.ardispark.nl

jtees4 wrote:

Cher - Do you believe
Kid Rock - the slow ballad one...don't remember the name
Very heavily used on both to the extent of it being an effect rather
than correction.

I don't think this is what the original poster was after. Like just
about anything else that passes audio, it can be used properly, it can
be misused due to errors or ignorance, or it can be mis-applied to
create a clearly noticeable effect.

The implication (I think) was that AutoTune's operation could be
noticed when used to put a track in tune. I think this is quite
possible if it's far enough out of tune or if a single setting is
applied to the whole track, but both of those are just laziness or
carelessness.

wrote:

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.

There are many things that can cause this, some intentional, some not.
Headphone leakage of the singer's voice into his mic is one. Producers
don't expect you to crank things up so that you can hear technical
imprefections, they expect you to listen to the song. If that bothers
you, it's probably not a very good song anyway.

Mike Rivers wrote:
jtees4 wrote:

Cher - Do you believe
Kid Rock - the slow ballad one...don't remember the name
Very heavily used on both to the extent of it being an effect rather
than correction.

I don't think this is what the original poster was after. Like just
about anything else that passes audio, it can be used properly, it can
be misused due to errors or ignorance, or it can be mis-applied to
create a clearly noticeable effect.

Yes, but once you hear when it's overused, it's a lot easier to hear
the more subtle effects when it's less heavily abused.

The implication (I think) was that AutoTune's operation could be
noticed when used to put a track in tune. I think this is quite
possible if it's far enough out of tune or if a single setting is
applied to the whole track, but both of those are just laziness or
carelessness.

It's not laziness or carelessness, it's fashion. Currently people
_want_ the microtonality stripped out. It's the thing. In a few
years it will sound dated. But once you hear what it sounds like,
you can turn on the Top 40 radio and hear it all over the place.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:

you can turn on the Top 40 radio and hear it all over the place.

Great googly moogly! Why in the world would I want to do THAT?

Cher's tune is a Vocoder, but that's used as an effect.
Auto-tune, still leaves it's sonic footprint.
It's upi to you if you wnat that.

Tom
"Big Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
Fa3ien wrote:
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Most famous example is Cher's "Do you believe in life after love" where
it's cranked up to the max.

Bit less obvious, but still very audible is Craig David's "I'm walking
away".

In Red Hot Chilipeppers' album "Californication" it is used too, but
subtly this time.

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.
Listen to these three and you'll know what I mean.

I may be getting my technologies mixed up, but I thought those were
examples of Vocoder effects, which gives them the harsh
robotic/metallic sounding pitch correction? Is autotune not used more
subtly to fix faulty pitch in a recorded performance, rather than as a
full-on sound effect? I suppose it could be used in a more extreme
fashion to give similar effects but my interpretation of the OP was
that he was looking for the artifacts left behind by gentle
pitch-correction.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RHCP *did* use pitch correction (as
opposed to a vocoder effect) though; Keidis is a good frontman but
can't hold a tune in a bucket.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RHCP *did* use pitch correction (as
opposed to a vocoder effect) though; Keidis is a good frontman but
can't hold a tune in a bucket.

Yeah, and after Autotune came out, their melodies got real well, melodic :-)

Cher's tune is a Vocoder, but that's used as an effect.
Auto-tune, still leaves it's sonic footprint.
It's upi to you if you wnat that.

It's not a vocoder, it is Autotune.

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Cher's tune is a Vocoder, but that's used as an effect.
Auto-tune, still leaves it's sonic footprint.
It's upi to you if you wnat that.

It's not a vocoder, it is Autotune.



Not according to Mark Taylor, who recorded it. See his Sound On Sound
interview he

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

That's not what the producer said.
I wasn't there so I'll take his word for it.

Tom

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message
y.net...
Cher's tune is a Vocoder, but that's used as an effect.
Auto-tune, still leaves it's sonic footprint.
It's upi to you if you wnat that.

It's not a vocoder, it is Autotune.

Not according to Mark Taylor, who recorded it. See his Sound On Sound
interview he

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

Yeah, he later admitted that it was Autotune.

"Tommy B" wrote in message
ink.net...
That's not what the producer said.
I wasn't there so I'll take his word for it.

You shoudn't because he lied about it, he then changed his story.

Thanks for the proof, Mr.Schultz

Anyway, it still changes the sound of the vocal to me.
If it's a small pitch glitch, I change it in my DAW software.
If it's a big one, resing it.

Tom







"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message
news:MeFkg.46498$A8.32250@clgrps12...
Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Cher's tune is a Vocoder, but that's used as an effect.
Auto-tune, still leaves it's sonic footprint.
It's upi to you if you wnat that.

It's not a vocoder, it is Autotune.



Not according to Mark Taylor, who recorded it. See his Sound On Sound
interview he

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

Not according to Mark Taylor, who recorded it. See his Sound On Sound
interview he

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

Yeah, he later admitted that it was Autotune.

Cite?

--
ha

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

"Tommy B" wrote...
That's not what the producer said.
I wasn't there so I'll take his word for it.

You shoudn't because he lied about it, he then changed his story.

Cite?

--
ha

It's not a vocoder, it is Autotune.

There are different effects in different parts of the song. One effect
is definitely without any possible doubt a vocoder. It's the part which
is not the very obvious Autotune part.

Scott Fraser

"hank alrich" wrote in message .. .
Romeo Rondeau wrote:

"Tommy B" wrote...
That's not what the producer said.
I wasn't there so I'll take his word for it.

You shoudn't because he lied about it, he then changed his story.

Cite?

--
ha


--

If you listen to the track, then try the effect yourself on **anyones** vocal, it sounds like the **identical** effect.

So even if it **wasnt** AT on that single, you can suggest it as a song to hear the **exact** effect by referencing it, because that is **exactly** what it sounds like (when you set Autotune to the fastest retune setting.)


Geoff

In article . com,
wrote:

Somehow there's always a slight phone/phaser like quality in the sound.
Listen to these three and you'll know what I mean.




On average, I use it on around 3 or 4 words (notes) of a full vocal
track when the performance is great but the note's a little off.

There is no way anyone would know what those words are. The day after
the session, I can't tell unless I have the plugin open and am staring
at the bypass button.

It gets artificial when you take a note and bend it too far. For
slightly sharp or flat stuff, it is wonderful and inaudible.




David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

Mike Rivers wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:


you can turn on the Top 40 radio and hear it all over the place.


Great googly moogly! Why in the world would I want to do THAT?



MOJO!!

Fa3ien wrote:
I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.

Last time I heard one of those 'contemporary country' stations I heard
a lot of Autotune happening. Don't know if they still use it as much,
that was a few years ago. I pick it up even if it's in the background
at a grocery store or something. Can't put my finger on it, just
something weird about the vox. Pop country.

Albert

Albert wrote:

Fa3ien wrote:

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.


Last time I heard one of those 'contemporary country' stations I heard
a lot of Autotune happening. Don't know if they still use it as much,
that was a few years ago.

They do. Rascal Flatts wears it like a uniform.

I pick it up even if it's in the background
at a grocery store or something. Can't put my finger on it, just
something weird about the vox. Pop country.


Triangle waves are for synthesizers. Human beings do not sing
like synthesizers. But anybody thinks Hank Williams wasn't pop
needs to... well, read Colin Escott's book, anyway.

But it is inneresting how we *know* there's a difference.

Albert

--
Les Cargill

"Fa3ien" wrote in message ...
Hello,
having been scrubbing my guitar in my bedroom
these last years, I've only recently came across
that "AutoTune" thing.

I've read that it leaves an "audible signature" when it's
used, making it well recognizable.

I'd like to get some titles of songs where AutoTune
is (heavily) used, so I can say "oh, that's it", when
I hear it.

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

TIA,
Fabien.


I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Dixie Chicks. The first
two records after Natalie joined tha band, are riddled with it... and the
nasty thing is, it really didn't need it. it makes them sound a bit 'whiney'.

In the Single, "Uncle Earl", all three voices are tuned in the choruses,
and with a little masking by background noise where only the root and
the voices are obvious, you might mistake the results for Alvin and
The Chipmunks.

Their new one doesn't seem to have as much, but then the production
is totally different... a bit bland actually, but very, ummm... trendy. (?)

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

If you have to.....put on a Rascal Flatts CD

--

Mike Rivers wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:


you can turn on the Top 40 radio and hear it all over the place.


Great googly moogly! Why in the world would I want to do THAT?

Depends what you do in the industry. For many, they may want to hear
what the competition is doing.

I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Dixie Chicks. The first
two records after Natalie joined tha band, are riddled with it... and the
nasty thing is, it really didn't need it. it makes them sound a bit 'whiney'.

Funny...they sound "whiney" when they talk too!

Fa3ien wrote:

( ...Examples of AutoTune in songs)

Do someone have some examples of songs (preferably classic
kind of pop songs, not too rythmically marked) where
it is used for sure ?

I don't know "for sure" but the new GNR "Chinese Democracy"
sounds an awful lot like something was used to tweak the vocals
on high parts.
Not that it could make Axhole's voice any more bearable.

rd

It took me a while to figure out how to use the damn thing. Man it
tones went ape**** whenever I tried to use it graphically. There is
definitely a technique to using it with good results....

"jtees4" wrote in message
...



I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Dixie Chicks. The first
two records after Natalie joined tha band, are riddled with it... and the
nasty thing is, it really didn't need it. it makes them sound a bit
'whiney'.

Funny...they sound "whiney" when they talk too!
maybe so but I know Natalie used to specifically ask..as in be pretty
adamant about it... for no verb on her vox for live shows. a rareity for
your average chick singer - but I digress.

--

On 16 Jun 2006 11:45:24 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Mike Rivers wrote:
jtees4 wrote:

Cher - Do you believe
Kid Rock - the slow ballad one...don't remember the name
Very heavily used on both to the extent of it being an effect rather
than correction.

I don't think this is what the original poster was after. Like just
about anything else that passes audio, it can be used properly, it can
be misused due to errors or ignorance, or it can be mis-applied to
create a clearly noticeable effect.

Yes, but once you hear when it's overused, it's a lot easier to hear
the more subtle effects when it's less heavily abused.

The implication (I think) was that AutoTune's operation could be
noticed when used to put a track in tune. I think this is quite
possible if it's far enough out of tune or if a single setting is
applied to the whole track, but both of those are just laziness or
carelessness.

It's not laziness or carelessness, it's fashion. Currently people
_want_ the microtonality stripped out. It's the thing. In a few
years it will sound dated. But once you hear what it sounds like,
you can turn on the Top 40 radio and hear it all over the place.
--scott

You answered better for me than I could have answered for myself.