"S888Wheel" wrote in message

I suppose that Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev had
thought that the slavery, death, starvation, and torture
inherent in their rule were just wonderfully good things,

Slavery? I don't recall slavery being a part of the system.

Shows how incredibly poorly-educated you are sockpuppet wheel. Or how
forgetful.

It was a nifty 2-step. First you declare vast numbers of citizens to
be criminals, and then you put all these millions of *criminals*
into prison camps where they are worked to death.

Thanks for showing you don't know the difference between slavery and
political oppression.

Tell that to every historian and writer who called this particular
implementation of political oppression "slavery".

I thought that was us up until the civil war.

That was then, and this was how things were in USSR through most of
the 20th century.

Really. Tell us about the slaves in the USSR Arny. What was the
average price of a slave in the twentieth centry USSR?

There is no such place as twentieth centry USSR.

Please explain the meaning of "price" in a Communist society.

Death? Did capitalism cure death?

Stalin ordered the murder of about 29 million of my ancestors during
the first half of the 20th century. I believe his justification went
something like "To make an omelet, you have to crack some eggs".
Again, this shows how incredibly poorly-educated you are sockpuppet
wheel. Or how forgetful. Do Mensa IQ tests cover things like this? I
suspect not!

Hmm. This sort of bevavior was unique to the Soviet Union and
communism?

There is no bevavior like this in the Soviet Union.

Thanks for proving you didn't understand the point.

Thanks for discrediting yourself, sockpuppet wheel.

The
ability to understand and solve problems is covered on the Mensa
test. The test you are afraid to take.

Never said that, straw man argument noted.

Starvation? People don't starve in other non-communist countries?

People starve in houses that are full of food, occasional starvation
is not the problem. No capitalism can't do away with all of the
effects of naturally-caused famines, but in the past century
capitalist countries have pretty much managed to avoid the kinds of
government-policy-induced famines seen in North Korea, USSR, China,
etc.


Again you missed my point. here is a simple question Arny. Did more
people starve in Russia before or after communism?

Never said that, straw man argument noted.

and that the freedom and high standard of living
here in the US were just about as bad an evil as anyone
could imagine..

Do you think the standard of living went down for the Russian
working class under communism?

In accordance with communist state policy in the USSR, increases in
the standard of living vastly underperformed such mediocre or worse
increases in worker productivity that somehow took place despite
state mismanagement of the economy. The issue was called "Guns
versus butter"

Maybe you could repost this claim using a sentence that actually
makes sense. In the mean time your challenge is to diagram your own
sentence.

Unlike you sockpuppet wheel, I don't have any mean time. However, it is
clear that you revel in your mean time.

Were the peasants enjoying an American level of freedom and
standard of
living when the Czars ruled Russia?

From the time of the organization of the USA onward, improvements in
the standard of living of virtually all social classes in the US
vastly outpaced increases in the standard of living in the USSR.
Communism, if anything increased this disparity.

Thanks for once again missing the point. You might want to go back
and review specifically what I did and di not compare. Here is a
hint, capitalism wasn't included in my comparisons.

I'm quite sure that you di not compare anything, sockpuppet wheel.

You obviously can't remember what you wrote, even when it is presented in
the previous paragraph. You explicitly mentioned the American level of
freedom and standard of living.

Oh, I get it sockpuppet, you don't think that we practice capitalism in the
US.

How novel!

How wrong!

I think this anecdote is relevant. I associated with a Cameroonian
who was working on his PhD in Math for a number of years. He ended
up living in one of the nastier public housing projects in downtown
Detroit, which was so bad that it was subsequently dynamited. He
received his undergraduate degree from the University of Moscow, as
I recall. He said that his Detroit housing situation was vastly
superior to that *enjoyed* by middling-high communist party members
in Moscow. His apartment in Detroit did have its nasty aspects, but
it was relatively spacious for two people, well-heated in the
winter, served by a working modern elevator, and had other
refinements that were according to him, fairly rare in Moscow, even
among their equivalent of the middle class.

His was one opinion.

It was based on personal experience. Tell us about your personal experiences
with living in the USSR, sockpuppet wheel. Given how little you're willing
to admit about your pathetic life here in the US, that will be quite
entertaining!

I am sure that most people prefer our system to
that of the Soviet Union.Certainly some don't. I certainly do. Maybe
you should get back to us when you can figure out what is being said
in the thread.

It's true that "I think I'm without fault and my opinions are
unquestionable" is being said between the lines by you in this thread,
sockpuppet wheel. What's new?

Here is yet another hint, nowhere in any of my posts
did I say communism was better than capitalism.

I still haven't said that, so take this straw man argument of yours and put
it with the rest of them, sockpuppet wheel.

That should be a good
enough anyone including an idiot such as yourself. How about the
Mensa test Arny? Still chicken?

Never was chicken about Mensa tests. Unlike you, I've always had more
productive things to do. It's quite clear that your allegedly high Mensa IQ
test score is the one accomplishment in your miserable life of failure that
you're willing to discuss.