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Listen here mickmickey. You are not automatically redeemed by just
writing some whatever irrelevant text to a substantial revelation of your
incompetence such as this one. Get a grip boy, try to do better!



As if I need redemption from somebody who denies the reality of their own
ABX test, and who now seeks ways to try and rationalize why he couldn't
detect a difference between two amps.

Yeah, as if!


The fact that they actually did sound

indentical is just to much for you to deal with, so you make **** up
about why the test that is relied on everyday in professional audio
design must be flawed.



Having said all that, you put your foot further into your mouth and head
further up your butt trying to cover your tracks, you incompetent, dumb
monkey of a borg you. You say that: "Not all QSC amps are the same is a
matter of fact." NOW ANSWER THIS: Was it not a borg universal truth that
ALL COMPETENT AMPS ARE THE SAME ?!?! Does the statement above mean that
some QSC amps are incompetent then?!!


I never said anything about them sounding different, I was simply
referring to the differnent circuit dsigns and trying to figure out if
there was a bias against the one used in the discussion.

That's a lie you dumb borg. "How many QSC amps have you listened to? Not
all are the same." There is nothing about circuits there you dumb dumb
borg.


Well, excuse the **** out of me for not hecking with you first about what I
am thinking when I post. You still fail as a mind reader, and as a golden
ear.

Look boy, **** yourself all you want, and heck with somebody else,
whatever that means, see if I care, but before that show me the word
"circuits" in the following two sentences: "How many QSC amps have you
listened to? Not all are the same." ! I can show you the word
"listened" there. See, it's there!


You are talking about *_LISTENING_* and you state that not all are

the SAME!!!!!!!


Because they are not all the same, some are Class AB, some are Class H.

And you have deemed that somehow they sound different, yes! Ok, now
we're gettin somewhere. Have you ABXed them? How do you know that
they do not sound the same? Since the head borg you are serving as a
loyal SUCKpuppet to, arny krueger, uses the very same qsc amps, how can
they differ in sound from one model to another? Isn't this blasphemy?
Don't you realize how much of a capital crime you've committed by
uttering those ghastly two sentences you dumb dumb you! Are they
****ing on you in the hive now? You've been caught red handed. You have
a torah in your hand, you've been spotted, the nazi borg are at your
neck, run boy run!

"Fella" wrote in message
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"Fella" wrote in message
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"Fella" wrote in message
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Listen here mickmickey. You are not automatically redeemed by just
writing some whatever irrelevant text to a substantial revelation of
your incompetence such as this one. Get a grip boy, try to do better!



As if I need redemption from somebody who denies the reality of their
own ABX test, and who now seeks ways to try and rationalize why he
couldn't detect a difference between two amps.

Yeah, as if!


The fact that they actually did sound

indentical is just to much for you to deal with, so you make **** up
about why the test that is relied on everyday in professional audio
design must be flawed.



Having said all that, you put your foot further into your mouth and
head further up your butt trying to cover your tracks, you incompetent,
dumb monkey of a borg you. You say that: "Not all QSC amps are the same
is a matter of fact." NOW ANSWER THIS: Was it not a borg universal
truth that ALL COMPETENT AMPS ARE THE SAME ?!?! Does the statement
above mean that some QSC amps are incompetent then?!!


I never said anything about them sounding different, I was simply
referring to the differnent circuit dsigns and trying to figure out if
there was a bias against the one used in the discussion.

That's a lie you dumb borg. "How many QSC amps have you listened to? Not
all are the same." There is nothing about circuits there you dumb dumb
borg.


Well, excuse the **** out of me for not hecking with you first about
what I am thinking when I post. You still fail as a mind reader, and as
a golden ear.

Look boy, **** yourself all you want, and heck with somebody else,
whatever that means, see if I care, but before that show me the word
"circuits" in the following two sentences: "How many QSC amps have you
listened to? Not all are the same." ! I can show you the word
"listened" there. See, it's there!


You are talking about *_LISTENING_* and you state that not all are

the SAME!!!!!!!


Because they are not all the same, some are Class AB, some are Class H.

And you have deemed that somehow they sound different, yes!

No, I have discovered that some people think so. If done badly of course,
they can all sound bad.

Ok, now
we're gettin somewhere.

Only in your wierd mind.

Have you ABXed them? How do you know that
they do not sound the same? Since the head borg you are serving as a loyal
SUCKpuppet to, arny krueger, uses the very same qsc amps, how can they
differ in sound from one model to another?

The QSC amps Arny uses are no longer manufactured.

Isn't this blasphemy?

Who ever said amps can't sound different? Nobody other than the people who
constantly misrepresent what others say, like you do.

Don't you realize how much of a capital crime you've committed by uttering
those ghastly two sentences you dumb dumb you!

Not possible since I didn't say that and it isn't a crime to do so.

Are they
****ing on you in the hive now? You've been caught red handed. You have a
torah in your hand, you've been spotted, the nazi borg are at your neck,
run boy run!

Back to your room now, they need to strap you down again.

There you go again denying the obvious you stoopid boy. In the midst of
a heated debate you went and blurted out that statement expressing your
duh!opinion about some qsc amps sounding better then (or different!)
other qsc amps. It's all there in duh!black and duh!white... When are
you going to muster up enough of your duh!brains to understand that you
are really, actually and originally one dumb mother??


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"Fella" wrote in message
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"Fella" wrote in message
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"Fella" wrote in message
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wrote:

Listen here mickmickey. You are not automatically redeemed by just
writing some whatever irrelevant text to a substantial revelation of
your incompetence such as this one. Get a grip boy, try to do better!



As if I need redemption from somebody who denies the reality of their
own ABX test, and who now seeks ways to try and rationalize why he
couldn't detect a difference between two amps.

Yeah, as if!


The fact that they actually did sound


indentical is just to much for you to deal with, so you make **** up
about why the test that is relied on everyday in professional audio
design must be flawed.




Having said all that, you put your foot further into your mouth and
head further up your butt trying to cover your tracks, you incompetent,
dumb monkey of a borg you. You say that: "Not all QSC amps are the same
is a matter of fact." NOW ANSWER THIS: Was it not a borg universal
truth that ALL COMPETENT AMPS ARE THE SAME ?!?! Does the statement
above mean that some QSC amps are incompetent then?!!


I never said anything about them sounding different, I was simply
referring to the differnent circuit dsigns and trying to figure out if
there was a bias against the one used in the discussion.

That's a lie you dumb borg. "How many QSC amps have you listened to? Not
all are the same." There is nothing about circuits there you dumb dumb
borg.


Well, excuse the **** out of me for not hecking with you first about
what I am thinking when I post. You still fail as a mind reader, and as
a golden ear.

Look boy, **** yourself all you want, and heck with somebody else,
whatever that means, see if I care, but before that show me the word
"circuits" in the following two sentences: "How many QSC amps have you
listened to? Not all are the same." ! I can show you the word
"listened" there. See, it's there!


You are talking about *_LISTENING_* and you state that not all are


the SAME!!!!!!!


Because they are not all the same, some are Class AB, some are Class H.

And you have deemed that somehow they sound different, yes!


No, I have discovered that some people think so. If done badly of course,
they can all sound bad.

Ok, now

we're gettin somewhere.


Only in your wierd mind.

Have you ABXed them? How do you know that

they do not sound the same? Since the head borg you are serving as a loyal
SUCKpuppet to, arny krueger, uses the very same qsc amps, how can they
differ in sound from one model to another?


The QSC amps Arny uses are no longer manufactured.

Isn't this blasphemy?

Who ever said amps can't sound different? Nobody other than the people who
constantly misrepresent what others say, like you do.


Don't you realize how much of a capital crime you've committed by uttering
those ghastly two sentences you dumb dumb you!


Not possible since I didn't say that and it isn't a crime to do so.

Are they

****ing on you in the hive now? You've been caught red handed. You have a
torah in your hand, you've been spotted, the nazi borg are at your neck,
run boy run!


Back to your room now, they need to strap you down again.

Fella wrote:
There you go again denying the obvious you stoopid boy. In the midst of
a heated debate you went and blurted out that statement expressing your
duh!opinion about some qsc amps sounding better then (or different!)
other qsc amps.

No I did not. I said they are not all the same, which is a true
statement.

It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.

It's all there in duh!black and duh!white... When are
you going to muster up enough of your duh!brains to understand that you
are really, actually and originally one dumb mother??


When are you going to muster up the balls to admit that the 2 amps you
compared actually did sound indistignuishable and that maybe with some
training like the kind offered at Arny's website, you might do better,
if indeed there is any difference.

" wrote:

Fella wrote:
There you go again denying the obvious you stoopid boy. In the midst of
a heated debate you went and blurted out that statement expressing your
duh!opinion about some qsc amps sounding better then (or different!)
other qsc amps.

No I did not. I said they are not all the same, which is a true
statement.

It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.

The specs alone don't tell you very much. In fact they tell very little about
how an amplifier sounds at low levels in particular.

The grounded collector arrangement favoured by QSC leads to a design with
significant non-linearities not shared by amplifiers with emitter follower
outputs for example.

Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:
" wrote:

Fella wrote:
There you go again denying the obvious you stoopid boy. In the midst of
a heated debate you went and blurted out that statement expressing your
duh!opinion about some qsc amps sounding better then (or different!)
other qsc amps.

No I did not. I said they are not all the same, which is a true
statement.

It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.

The specs alone don't tell you very much. In fact they tell very little about
how an amplifier sounds at low levels in particular.

The grounded collector arrangement favoured by QSC leads to a design with
significant non-linearities not shared by amplifiers with emitter follower
outputs for example.

The post I responded to was about a single person listening to an amp
without AFAIK any other amp to compare it to. I don't have a problem
with the possiblity that they might sound different from other amps, I
simply so not see any evidence, nor have I heard any.

A single listening to something, without any comaprsion, level
controls, or bias control, is not worth discussing, unless the
distortion or noise is extremely gross, which IME is not the case with
QSC products.

Even in cases where the is extremely high distortion, it can go
undetected as was th case with Fremer's review of the WAVAC amp.
Without a direct comparison to something known to be clean sounding,
things like 10% THD can go unnoticed.

" wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:
" wrote:

Fella wrote:
There you go again denying the obvious you stoopid boy. In the midst of
a heated debate you went and blurted out that statement expressing your
duh!opinion about some qsc amps sounding better then (or different!)
other qsc amps.

No I did not. I said they are not all the same, which is a true
statement.

It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.

The specs alone don't tell you very much. In fact they tell very little about
how an amplifier sounds at low levels in particular.

The grounded collector arrangement favoured by QSC leads to a design with
significant non-linearities not shared by amplifiers with emitter follower
outputs for example.

The post I responded to was about a single person listening to an amp
without AFAIK any other amp to compare it to. I don't have a problem
with the possiblity that they might sound different from other amps, I
simply so not see any evidence, nor have I heard any.

A single listening to something, without any comaprsion, level
controls, or bias control, is not worth discussing, unless the
distortion or noise is extremely gross, which IME is not the case with
QSC products.

Even in cases where the is extremely high distortion, it can go
undetected as was th case with Fremer's review of the WAVAC amp.
Without a direct comparison to something known to be clean sounding,
things like 10% THD can go unnoticed.

I once believed that an amplifier with a stated THD of 0.1% ( @ full power as per
typical specs ) must be 'audibly blameless'.

A very simple test rapidly showed that to be *HUGELY* incorrect. I'm not talking
about subtle differences I'm talking chalk and cheese.

Graham

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It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.


Aaah! they 'ought' to. So, you have expectation that they will sound
the same, so, we know that when and if you ABX them,
that test will NOT remove your bias towards sameness.
Youare stuckina rut.
Of course, we all know that you have never, and will never,
and have no intention of ever, participating in one of those 'rigorous'
tests.



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It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.


Aaah! they 'ought' to. So, you have expectation that they will sound
the same, so, we know that when and if you ABX them,
that test will NOT remove your bias towards sameness.
Youare stuckina rut.

Not at all, if I were to take the time to ABX any amps, I would be
doing my level best to try and hear any that might exist. The fact
that there is a correlation between measurements and hearing
differences is simply a matter of fact. In order to hear differences,
they have to be audible in the forst place.


Of course, we all know that you have never, and will never,
and have no intention of ever, participating in one of those 'rigorous'
tests.

Should the opportunity arise, I would be happy to do so.

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Clyde Slick wrote:
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It is possible that some of them do sound different from others, I've
never seen bench tests on them so without that knowledge I can't say
for sure. What I can say is that judging from their published specs,
which are quite complete, they ought to sound like any other well built
amp, IOW transparent.


Aaah! they 'ought' to. So, you have expectation that they will sound
the same, so, we know that when and if you ABX them,
that test will NOT remove your bias towards sameness.
Youare stuckina rut.

Not at all, if I were to take the time to ABX any amps, I would be
doing my level best to try and hear any that might exist. The fact
that there is a correlation between measurements and hearing
differences is simply a matter of fact. In order to hear differences,
they have to be audible in the forst place.


But you belive they don't exist. You have the bias.



Of course, we all know that you have never, and will never,
and have no intention of ever, participating in one of those 'rigorous'
tests.

Should the opportunity arise, I would be happy to do so.



So would I.
Funny how the opportunity never arose before.



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