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Jenn wrote:

What is it about having to see the device that improves
the sound?

Nothing.

The next question is very closely related to the previous
question. Does knowing the identity of a device affect
the sound quality?

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the perceptions of sound
quality.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Does knowing the identity of a device affect the sound quality?

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the perceptions of sound
quality.

It is a pity that more people do not understand that knowing the
identity of a device can affect the perceptions of sound quality. Or
maybe some people do not want to understand; people being people, this
is understandable. Hype's worst enemy is a critical thinker who is
able to, at least for a while, set aside his ego to examine the
evidence. But, again, people being people, I think the golden-ears
myth is going to have a good hold of some people for many more years.
And the subjectivist audio magazines know this and are laughing all the
way to the bank. JA must be very amused. JA, take a bow. You deserve
it, big guy. Audio has given me many laughs, and I think audio will
give me many more laughs. Pity.

--124

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Arny Krueger wrote:

Does knowing the identity of a device affect the sound
quality?

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the
perceptions of sound quality.

It is a pity that more people do not understand that
knowing the identity of a device can affect the
perceptions of sound quality.

Agreed. Many examples of this are regulars here.

Or maybe some people do
not want to understand; people being people, this is
understandable.

People tend to imagine that their perceptions are correct in a global sense.
"You mean you don't see things like I do?"


Hype's worst enemy is a critical thinker

Hence my postion of honor on Stereophile's enemies list.

who is able to, at least for a while, set aside his ego
to examine the evidence. But, again, people being
people, I think the golden-ears myth is going to have a
good hold of some people for many more years.

Golden Earism is like herpes - no known reliable cure. Once infected people
tend to stay infected and infect others.

And the
subjectivist audio magazines know this and are laughing
all the way to the bank.

At this time it is a visibly declining business. Demographics hurt.

JA must be very amused.

He's derived a goodly income, from this syndrome, to be sure. Admittedly
he's worked for it, but it was work largely in vain. He worsened the SNR of
Audio.

JA, take a bow. You deserve it, big guy. Audio has given me
many laughs, and I think audio will give me many more
laughs. Pity.

There is a defendable form of high end audio - audio based on reliably
testible practical advances in technology. These will natureally be more
costly until the mainstream picks them up.

Arny Krueger wrote:
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Hype's worst enemy is a critical thinker

Hence my postion of honor on Stereophile's enemies list.

ROFLMAO, Mr. Krueger. This almost ranks up there with your
joke about my being pressured by forces outside my
magazine to do something about you. :-)

JA must be very amused.

He's derived a goodly income, from this syndrome, to be sure.

I wasn't aware you were privy to my bank account, Mr.
Krueger. But I am occasionally amused by your ongoing trolls.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

Hence my postion of honor on Stereophile's enemies list.



Not true. I've heard the secret recordings.
You aren't mentioned. I guess your real problem is that you
are just not that important.



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"Arny Krueger" confessed:
: Golden Earism is like herpes - no known reliable cure. Once infected people
: tend to stay infected and infect others.

yeah. still playing _radar love_ every mornin',
Arn ?
:-)

"124" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:

Does knowing the identity of a device affect the sound quality?

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the perceptions of sound
quality.

It is a pity that more people do not understand that knowing the
identity of a device can affect the perceptions of sound quality.

I understand this.
I additionally understand that not knowing the identity of a device can dull
discrimination of sound quality.
Thus, blind testing is invalid.

Bobo said:

I additionally understand that not knowing the identity of a device can dull
discrimination of sound quality.
Thus, blind testing is invalid.

It's a fact that 4 of 12 has zero experience in any audio DBTs of any sort,
at any time, in any place. Not a single one has he done.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Bobo said:

I additionally understand that not knowing the identity of a device can
dull
discrimination of sound quality.
Thus, blind testing is invalid.

It's a fact that 4 of 12 has zero experience in any audio DBTs of any
sort,
at any time, in any place. Not a single one has he done.

How dare you accuse me of being Bobo!
I am not Bobo!

(Now I carefully check the identity I've typed into the server setup box.
Good! I fool everyone. Hahahaha! I've learned from McCarty how to fool
everyone, all of the time.
SEND
)

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"124" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

Does knowing the identity of a device affect the sound
quality?

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the
perceptions of sound quality.

It is a pity that more people do not understand that
knowing the identity of a device can affect the
perceptions of sound quality.

I understand this.
I additionally understand that not knowing the identity
of a device can dull discrimination of sound quality.

Ah, the new golden ear lie.

Thus, blind testing is invalid.

Thus the RAO trolls have their material for the next 6 years.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Thus the RAO trolls have their material for the next 6 years.


Is that when you are going to retire from a successful Usenet career?
You'll be 65 then.



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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:06:02 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the perceptions of sound
quality.

Well said, Arnie. :-)

paul packer wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:06:02 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Knowing the identity of a dcertainly can affect the perceptions of sound
quality.


Well said, Arnie. :-)

Agreed.