On 16 Jan 2006 12:08:51 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:

Thats your setup Dave... not the networks or dishnet. Are you
running your input to the TV to the coax/antennae input? ( RF on
channel 2 or 3)

No, my "input" goes to the converter box, the output of which goes to
my DVD burner via COAX then out to the TV via a video RCA jack. These
artifacts are DEFINITELY not cable or transmission dependent, but
content dependent, because, if they were, they'd be uniform regardless
of channel and they aren't. All I have to do is compare ESPN to The
Tonight Show, for example.

dave weil wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 12:08:51 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:

Thats your setup Dave... not the networks or dishnet. Are you
running your input to the TV to the coax/antennae input? ( RF on
channel 2 or 3)

No, my "input" goes to the converter box, the output of which goes to
my DVD burner via COAX then out to the TV via a video RCA jack.

So your input to DVD burner is analogue RF channel 2 or 3. You
realize that is the lowest possible rez video? Then you send it out
via composite video which is the 2nd lowest rez possible. Then your
digitat TV tries to digitize and reconstruct from this crap.

With a still picture... most pixels not changing... it does ok. With
sports the whole damn thing breaks down as the TV can't digitally
reconstruct fast enough when all the pixels change. My son-in-laws
plasma looks like hell on sports before he upgraded his cable box and
got one that supports component video. The cable guys says DVI didn't
look any better to him.

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

These
artifacts are DEFINITELY not cable or transmission dependent, but
content dependent, because, if they were, they'd be uniform regardless
of channel and they aren't. All I have to do is compare ESPN to The
Tonight Show, for example.

They are content dependent in the amount of picture area that changes
at once. Let me guess... basketball with half the screen being crowd
and tracking a length of the court pass goes all digital artifacty...
lots of little squares before the TV can smooth it all back
together..... if your "box" supported S-video or Component video out...
you wouldn't have these problems.

What kind of TV do you have?

ScottW

On 16 Jan 2006 12:52:08 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


dave weil wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 12:08:51 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:

Thats your setup Dave... not the networks or dishnet. Are you
running your input to the TV to the coax/antennae input? ( RF on
channel 2 or 3)

No, my "input" goes to the converter box, the output of which goes to
my DVD burner via COAX then out to the TV via a video RCA jack.

So your input to DVD burner is analogue RF channel 2 or 3. You
realize that is the lowest possible rez video? Then you send it out
via composite video which is the 2nd lowest rez possible. Then your
digitat TV tries to digitize and reconstruct from this crap.

I get the same artifacts when going directly from the converter box to
the the TV (which isn't digital, BTW). I have two choices, COAX or
RCA, and I don't have the choice of component video.

With a still picture... most pixels not changing... it does ok. With
sports the whole damn thing breaks down as the TV can't digitally
reconstruct fast enough when all the pixels change. My son-in-laws
plasma looks like hell on sports before he upgraded his cable box and
got one that supports component video. The cable guys says DVI didn't
look any better to him.

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

Do you have TIVO-esque capabilities?

Still, I'm saying that there are DEFINITE compression artifacts in
certain programming and not in others (or far less). This implies that
it's content driven, not delivery driven. Some of it COULD be hard
drive related though, since I don't seem to have ANY programming that
I could confuse with DVD.

And you said "cable guy". I'm talking about satellite service, NOT
cable. I can't do a direct comparison, but I don't remember such
artifacts when I had cable.

These
artifacts are DEFINITELY not cable or transmission dependent, but
content dependent, because, if they were, they'd be uniform regardless
of channel and they aren't. All I have to do is compare ESPN to The
Tonight Show, for example.

They are content dependent in the amount of picture area that changes
at once. Let me guess... basketball with half the screen being crowd
and tracking a length of the court pass goes all digital artifacty...
lots of little squares before the TV can smooth it all back
together..... if your "box" supported S-video or Component video out...
you wouldn't have these problems.

Well, it doesn't. Either capability.

What kind of TV do you have?

A simple current Toshiba 32 incher.

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On 16 Jan 2006 12:52:08 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


dave weil wrote:
On 16 Jan 2006 12:08:51 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:

Thats your setup Dave... not the networks or dishnet. Are you
running your input to the TV to the coax/antennae input? ( RF on
channel 2 or 3)

No, my "input" goes to the converter box, the output of which goes to
my DVD burner via COAX then out to the TV via a video RCA jack.

So your input to DVD burner is analogue RF channel 2 or 3. You
realize that is the lowest possible rez video? Then you send it out
via composite video which is the 2nd lowest rez possible. Then your
digitat TV tries to digitize and reconstruct from this crap.

I get the same artifacts when going directly from the converter box to
the the TV (which isn't digital, BTW). I have two choices, COAX or
RCA, and I don't have the choice of component video.

Then you need a need a new converter box. On dishnets web site only
the 111 doesn't have better video out than coax/composite.
That is bottom of the line.

Seriously... it's your receiver that sucks.


With a still picture... most pixels not changing... it does ok. With
sports the whole damn thing breaks down as the TV can't digitally
reconstruct fast enough when all the pixels change. My son-in-laws
plasma looks like hell on sports before he upgraded his cable box and
got one that supports component video. The cable guys says DVI didn't
look any better to him.

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

Do you have TIVO-esque capabilities?

No.. but if I did I'd go with one integrated in my cable box. My son-in-law
has a couple.. $15/month, record HD and ties into the programming guide.
TIVO just came out with and HD recorder.... I think they're toast.


Still, I'm saying that there are DEFINITE compression artifacts in
certain programming and not in others (or far less). This implies that
it's content driven, not delivery driven. Some of it COULD be hard
drive related though, since I don't seem to have ANY programming that
I could confuse with DVD.

And you said "cable guy". I'm talking about satellite service, NOT
cable. I can't do a direct comparison, but I don't remember such
artifacts when I had cable.

These
artifacts are DEFINITELY not cable or transmission dependent, but
content dependent, because, if they were, they'd be uniform regardless
of channel and they aren't. All I have to do is compare ESPN to The
Tonight Show, for example.

They are content dependent in the amount of picture area that changes
at once. Let me guess... basketball with half the screen being crowd
and tracking a length of the court pass goes all digital artifacty...
lots of little squares before the TV can smooth it all back
together..... if your "box" supported S-video or Component video out...
you wouldn't have these problems.

Well, it doesn't. Either capability.

What kind of TV do you have?

A simple current Toshiba 32 incher.

If it's current it should have at least S-video inputs and probably one
component.

ScottW

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:38 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

Do you have TIVO-esque capabilities?

No.. but if I did I'd go with one integrated in my cable box.

Since you're not on the network, how do you know about the network
that *I'm* on? You're apparently not even using the same sort of
delivery system that I am.

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:38 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

Do you have TIVO-esque capabilities?

No.. but if I did I'd go with one integrated in my cable box.

Since you're not on the network, how do you know about the network
that *I'm* on? You're apparently not even using the same sort of
delivery system that I am.

What was it you said Dave? Oh yes.. "I can certainly say that the
current digital compression schemes being
use in satellite transmission and storage here in the US bothers ME."
which of course is utter hogwash and has nothing to do with your
experience. Another example of Weil talking out his ass.

Like I said Dave... enjoy your ****ty TV picture... you deserve it.
But if you want to fix it rather than just cry and make up ignorant reasons
for your it... start with a new Sat receiver.

ScottW

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:43:48 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:15:38 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Anyway... the problem is your setup... not the network. I can watch
all that stuff with none of the artifacts you see.

Do you have TIVO-esque capabilities?

No.. but if I did I'd go with one integrated in my cable box.

Since you're not on the network, how do you know about the network
that *I'm* on? You're apparently not even using the same sort of
delivery system that I am.

What was it you said Dave? Oh yes.. "I can certainly say that the
current digital compression schemes being
use in satellite transmission and storage here in the US bothers ME."
which of course is utter hogwash and has nothing to do with your
experience. Another example of Weil talking out his ass.

Oh bull****, you overgrown baby. You don't even HAVE a satellite
system and it's YOU that's talking out of your ass.

Like I said Dave... enjoy your ****ty TV picture... you deserve it.
But if you want to fix it rather than just cry and make up ignorant reasons
for your it... start with a new Sat receiver.

Once again, if it were an issue with the cabling or the method that I
used to link receiver with TV, it would affect ALL of the programs, so
you're just full of **** again.

Go back to your big tasteless lobsters, you poor excuse for a man.
Just goes to show that money can't buy class.