Arny Krueger wrote:
snip

SR and Hifi are different beasts, which is not to say that a SR system can't
provide a satisfying sound with good fidelity.


Say it isn't so. An amp that's excellent for PA isn't so good for the
house??

Here's Altec Lansing's web site.

http://www.alteclansing.com/

From it you can readily discern that Altec Lansing does not have any current
production of speakers for SR. Therefore this comment must relate to some
out-of-date product that should never be mentioned in a contemporary
discussion of the capabilities of speakers that incorporate waveguide or
so-called horn speakers.

No, Arny, the classic Altec Lansing gear sets a benchmark for all
time. It may well be improved on, but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built. The Japanese pay very
good money for it. New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

The past, as Faulkner said, is not only not dead, it's not even past.
And as another genius who died the same year as Faulkner might have
added, "And Faulkner should know."

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
snip

SR and Hifi are different beasts, which is not to say that a SR system
can't
provide a satisfying sound with good fidelity.


Say it isn't so. An amp that's excellent for PA isn't so good for the
house??

Here's Altec Lansing's web site.

http://www.alteclansing.com/

From it you can readily discern that Altec Lansing does not have any
current
production of speakers for SR. Therefore this comment must relate to some
out-of-date product that should never be mentioned in a contemporary
discussion of the capabilities of speakers that incorporate waveguide or
so-called horn speakers.

No, Arny, the classic Altec Lansing gear sets a benchmark for all
time.

In the opinion of some Luddites.

It may well be improved on, but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built.

AFAIK there's no classic JBL or Altec stuff much of anyplace but some
luddite's places. JBL still makes good stuff, but none of the stuff that the
Luddites prize is still in production. JBL and technology moved on.

The Japanese pay very good money for it.

Some Japanese, not all of them.

They also pay very good money for bear's bladder sex cures. Makes who with
a brain want to run right out and get of it that they can?

New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

Nonsense. Current SOTA SR and MI gear has moved on.

The past, as Faulkner said, is not only not dead, it's not even past.
And as another genius who died the same year as Faulkner might have
added, "And Faulkner should know."

Like Faukner ever knew the true meaning of life for all of us to emulate.

Bret, just because it can be expressed as poetry, doesn't make it right.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:40:06 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Like Faukner ever knew the true meaning of life for all of us to emulate.

It DOES help to know how to spell his name...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote

snip


Say it isn't so. An amp that's excellent for PA isn't so good for the


Disinclination to address noted.

snip

It may well be improved on, but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built.

AFAIK there's no classic JBL or Altec stuff much of anyplace but some
luddite's places. JBL still makes good stuff, but none of the stuff that the
Luddites prize is still in production. JBL and technology moved on.

The Japanese pay very good money for it.

Some Japanese, not all of them.

They also pay very good money for bear's bladder sex cures. Makes who with
a brain want to run right out and get of it that they can?


No, the Chinese do that. Actually, only those from certain provinces.


New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

Nonsense. Current SOTA SR and MI gear has moved on.

You are not running sound for anyone in my neck of the woods, Arny!

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:
snip

SR and Hifi are different beasts, which is not to say that a SR system can't
provide a satisfying sound with good fidelity.


Say it isn't so. An amp that's excellent for PA isn't so good for the
house??

I rather suspect he mainly meant the speakers actually.

In any event, a typical SR amplifier in the kilowatt output region does not
tyically measure as well as a high end audiophile product.


Here's Altec Lansing's web site.

http://www.alteclansing.com/

From it you can readily discern that Altec Lansing does not have any current
production of speakers for SR. Therefore this comment must relate to some
out-of-date product that should never be mentioned in a contemporary
discussion of the capabilities of speakers that incorporate waveguide or
so-called horn speakers.

No, Arny, the classic Altec Lansing gear sets a benchmark for all
time.

You ARE joking right ? Those horn loaded cabs wers simply designed to be loud with
the low power valve amps of the day.

It may well be improved on,

Left standing in the dirt actually !

but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built.

None that I know of for sure. Cinemas re-equipped for Dolby and THX will have long
junked all that stuff.

The Japanese pay very
good money for it.

Good luck to them. The Japanese seem to like antiques.

New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

NO ! Modern stuff outranks a VOT any day.

Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...


Bret Ludwig wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:
snip

SR and Hifi are different beasts, which is not to say that a SR system
can't
provide a satisfying sound with good fidelity.


Say it isn't so. An amp that's excellent for PA isn't so good for the
house??

I rather suspect he mainly meant the speakers actually.

I was actually speaking very generally - about the respective technologies.
Add recording for a third semi-overlapping regime.

In any event, a typical SR amplifier in the kilowatt output region does
not
tyically measure as well as a high end audiophile product.

Brat is probably taking a potshot at the fact that I use a USA-400 in my
home stereo system. It's just another good convection-cooled 120 wpc SS amp
in my book.

Here's Altec Lansing's web site.

http://www.alteclansing.com/

From it you can readily discern that Altec Lansing does not have any
current
production of speakers for SR. Therefore this comment must relate to
some
out-of-date product that should never be mentioned in a contemporary
discussion of the capabilities of speakers that incorporate waveguide
or
so-called horn speakers.

No, Arny, the classic Altec Lansing gear sets a benchmark for all
time.

You ARE joking right ? Those horn loaded cabs wers simply designed to be
loud with
the low power valve amps of the day.

The A7 was a joke on just about every day of its life, new or old. In
contrast the A4 was a genuine classic.

It may well be improved on,

Left standing in the dirt actually !

Agreed.

but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built.

None that I know of for sure. Cinemas re-equipped for Dolby and THX will
have long
junked all that stuff.

Agreed. I haven't seen classic Altec and JBL speakers in cinemas for at
least 20 years.

The Japanese pay very good money for it.

Good luck to them. The Japanese seem to like antiques.

Actually, they worship them.

New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

NO ! Modern stuff outranks a VOT any day.

Totally agreed. Brat's a tubie, but now he wants us to think that hes' a
conoisseur of SS amps with his crack about my USA 400.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Brat's a tubie, but now he wants us to think that hes' a
conoisseur of SS amps with his crack about my USA 400.

It is a perplexing choice of amplifier IMHO !

Why not check out one of those Behringer A500s ?

Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

Arny Krueger wrote:

Brat's a tubie, but now he wants us to think that hes' a
conoisseur of SS amps with his crack about my USA 400.

It is a perplexing choice of amplifier IMHO !

Why?

Why not check out one of those Behringer A500s ?

I'm probably going to buy some A500s for church.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

Arny Krueger wrote:

Brat's a tubie, but now he wants us to think that hes' a
conoisseur of SS amps with his crack about my USA 400.

It is a perplexing choice of amplifier IMHO !

Why?

I have in the past rated that style of QSC design as being somewhat
'agricultural' ! I could elaborate at considerable length. You might not
like it though.

Why not check out one of those Behringer A500s ?

I'm probably going to buy some A500s for church.

Take one home and try it there as well then.

Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...


Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

Arny Krueger wrote:

Brat's a tubie, but now he wants us to think that hes' a
conoisseur of SS amps with his crack about my USA 400.

It is a perplexing choice of amplifier IMHO !

Why?

I have in the past rated that style of QSC design as being somewhat
'agricultural' ! I could elaborate at considerable length. You might not
like it though.

Trouble is, I know how that design does in straight wire bypass tests.

Indeed, how that circuit sounds in a straight wire bypass test has been
posted for all to hear:

http://www.pcabx.com/product/usa-850/index.htm

Why not check out one of those Behringer A500s ?

I'm probably going to buy some A500s for church.

Take one home and try it there as well then.

What sounds better than an amp that is indistinguishable from a straight
wire?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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choice of amplifier IMHO !

Why?

Why not check out one of those Behringer A500s ?

I'm probably going to buy some A500s for church.



yes, the church choir certainly deserves them.



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Pooh Bear wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

snip

No, Arny, the classic Altec Lansing gear sets a benchmark for all
time.

You ARE joking right ? Those horn loaded cabs wers simply designed to be loud with
the low power valve amps of the day.


Probably meant the drivers. No one even the SET crowd listens to stock
VOTs!
Some of the old Altec drivers are still very good by any standard.
Ditto JBL.

but Altec Lansing and JBL WERE the
quality driver manufacturers in the United States, a country that
actually did manufacture stuff, for decades. There is still a LOT of
Altec stuff in use, because it was so well built.

None that I know of for sure. Cinemas re-equipped for Dolby and THX will have long
junked all that stuff.


Cinemas are not the only users of this stuff.

The Japanese pay very
good money for it.

Good luck to them. The Japanese seem to like antiques.

New PA and MI gear often is designed to mimic,
interface with, or fit in the void left by it.

NO ! Modern stuff outranks a VOT any day.
Which VOT? Modified A4's are still considered pretty good in rooms of
a certain size. And the Duplex 604 is also still a prized driver-now in
reproduction as the Iconic 704.

http://www.iconicspkrs.com/compoundspeakers.html

The 15" driver using the 604's bass motor components is also a very
highly sought part, both for studio monitoring and by steel guitar
players.