On 2005-12-30, Walter Mitty wrote:
"win_not_lin" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering
mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2005-12-30, commmitted
his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered:


A snotty geek telling you to "Search The ****ing Web" and "Read The
****ing Manual" is not support in my book.


And aint that the truth : something like my second question about

While I am comfortable modifying my own device driver to
get something to work if need be, I can't really give you much
advice on debugging Linux driver issues since it has been at least
8 years since I've had to do any manual dinkering in that area.

gettnig sound to work was answered with "rtfm" on
modprobe,pspci,/dev,alsa,oss,jack,spdif etc etc. Then when I had read
all that to configure the doofah and compile the spleener and insert
it into my devices chain. Or something. Oh and the code was available
via CVS. I gave up.



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On 2005-12-30, Bill Thomson wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:17:15 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:


all you did was prove that you're too ****ing stupid to be able to
handle something for which tens of thousands of people had no problem.
You also proved that you're too much of a moron to be able to disable
your piece of **** motherboard audio and get a sound card that isn't
absolute rubbish or to figure out which end goes into the motherboard
slot.

You're a ****ing idiot and every post of yours only goes to prove it.

With Linux it's always the users fault when something doesn't work isn't
it?

With supported hardware with meaningful features being in the
$30 pricerange, there's really no excuse for any PC user to waste time
with an onboard chipset that's not 100% there.

It can't be the fact that Linux is bug infested, difficult to set up,
use and has horrible support for hardware now could it?
Just because you are some pointy headed geek and enjoy tinkering with your
precious OS all day doesn't mean others feel the same way. You will find

You make it sound like this sort of thing is actually hard rather
than what it is: rediculously easy. These things are MENU driven and have
squat to do with Linux actually. Just pay attention to your boot sequence,
type the right key before your OS starts and follow the menus.

You would think we were giving you commiedos commands to execute.

[deletia]


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JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2005-12-30, Steve O wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:09:20 -0800, Skeets wrote:

you obviously give a crap - spending your time here...

Here?
Where is 'here' ?
I'm reading this garbage in rec.audio.pro and quite frankly I'm sick
of this Linux ****.
Who.TF. cares?

Obviously you don't. Othwerwise you would get a decent newsreader
or configure he one you already have to get rid of "this crap". I
guess your time really isn't as valuable as you think it is...

Holy ****, you're a bigger arsehole than I am.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:01:23 +0000, win_not_lin wrote:

ray wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:42:58 -0500, sista sledgehammer wrote:


Linux is a joke.
A geek designed operating system for geeks who get off in a strange
masturbatory fantasy over operating systems.

Nobody normal cares about Linux and that goes triple for a desktop system.

Quick..Name 4 of your friends using Linux.


Linux is a mess.

Over 200 different distributions that all suck in one form or fashion
because if they did not there would not be a need for the other 199
distributions.


According to distrowatch.com there are at least 350 active Linux
distributions. And yes, they all suck - but they all suck a lot less than
the primary alternative - at least they run without BSODs and constant
malware infestations.

I wonder why you Linux bozos are completely unable to run Windows
without boatloads of problems? Even my granny, who's 80, is able to run
Windows 2000 without malware or BSOD issues.


Hardware support that is lacking.


That is not true. I've had no problem with hardware support.

Good for you. You got an empty chamber in the Linux hardware support
russian roulette game. Most users get the bullet.


Multimedia support that is terrible.


That is not true. I've had no problems doing all I want/need to do.


This is what you Linux bozos always say. But you're saying absolutely
nothing. For all we know, what you "want/need to do" is nothing.

Applications?


Thousands of applications; most of which are included and are free. No
need to buy MS Office, or Adobe Photoshop, or . . .

You get none of the quality of MS Office or Adobe either.

Actually, the quality surpasses that of MS BS. Can MS Office do PDF's? Not
the last time I checked. Can MS Office read OO docs? Not the last time I
checked. OO, Abiword and Gnumeric read and write MS formats flawlessly,
and are much more flexible. I don't need 90% of what Adobe PS offers -
Gimp does basic operations quite well, thank you.


Most are half done fragments that never reach V1.x....


Actually, most are fully functional and surpass the MS equivalents in
functionality, stability and security.

What incredible self-deception. Sort of like a hobo saying "This mouldy
fish I found in that garbage bin over there is better than a 3-course
meal at Rao's!"


Support?


There is support all over the internet.

A snotty geek telling you to "Search The ****ing Web" and "Read The
****ing Manual" is not support in my book.

How about going to a news group, asking a question and receiving total
step by step instructions - I've seen that happen many times. How about an
exhaustive list of detailed HOWTOs at www.tldp.org?



Heck, the linux programmers can't even take the time to write decent
context sensetive help files because according to them, it is beneath them.

Linux?

It's free......

So how much is your time worth?

That's what it really boils down to.


No - what it really boils down to is CHOICE. Mine is Linux - if yours is
something else, that's your problem, and I really don't give a rat's ass
what you use

Then what are you doing in an advocacy group?

I'm here giving add and assistance to those who request it and debunking
FUD like yours.


- you should give me the same respect.


No smart assed reply to this one, huh?

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:39:19 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2005-12-30, Steve O wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:09:20 -0800, Skeets wrote:

you obviously give a crap - spending your time here...

Here?
Where is 'here' ?
I'm reading this garbage in rec.audio.pro and quite frankly I'm sick of
this Linux ****.
Who.TF. cares?

Obviously you don't. Othwerwise you would get a decent newsreader
or configure he one you already have to get rid of "this crap". I guess
your time really isn't as valuable as you think it is...

[deletia]

I usually prefer to read messages rather
than geek around with newreader filters.
Besides we get very few trolls over in rec.audio.pro.
At least up until recently where the Bose and Linux
troll factories have been working over time.
I can see where a person could possibly get
excited over a Bose product (they look decent and
sound ok, at least until you power them on), but
get all hammered up over Linux?
Why?
When Linux runs Nuendo let me know so I can keep
my $200.00 in pocket instead of giving it to
king Bill.
Better yet, let me know when Linux has a free program
that has the same funtionality as Nuendo and I can
save my $2000.00 from uncle Steinberg's bank account.
Until then, Linux is 99 percent useless to me.
The 1 percent usefullness is that I could probably
use Audacity to do some wave file editing in a pinch.
But seeing as Audacity has a Windows version as well
that makes Linux irrelevant to me.
What's wrong with my choice of newsreader BTW?

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 12:09:16 -0500, Steve O wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:39:19 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2005-12-30, Steve O wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:09:20 -0800, Skeets wrote:

you obviously give a crap - spending your time here...

Here?
Where is 'here' ?
I'm reading this garbage in rec.audio.pro and quite frankly I'm sick of
this Linux ****.
Who.TF. cares?

Obviously you don't. Othwerwise you would get a decent newsreader
or configure he one you already have to get rid of "this crap". I guess
your time really isn't as valuable as you think it is...

[deletia]

I usually prefer to read messages rather
than geek around with newreader filters.

Then you shouldn't really complain about cross-posts.

Besides we get very few trolls over in rec.audio.pro.
At least up until recently where the Bose and Linux
troll factories have been working over time.
I can see where a person could possibly get
excited over a Bose product (they look decent and
sound ok, at least until you power them on), but
get all hammered up over Linux?
Why?

Because there are those whose sole purpose in life seems to be to insult
and deride those who use Linux. Why do football fans get all hot under the
collar when someone disses their team? In a sense it's much the same kind
of thing.

The trolls you complain of are idiots, who are not Linux users, and they
cluuter up COLA far more than any other group. But some of them like to
spread their tripe far and wide. You'd be advised just to filter out
anything from COLA if it bothers you that much, but please don't tar
decent Linux users with the same brush as stupid trolls like flatfish.

When Linux runs Nuendo let me know so I can keep
my $200.00 in pocket instead of giving it to
king Bill.
Better yet, let me know when Linux has a free program
that has the same funtionality as Nuendo and I can
save my $2000.00 from uncle Steinberg's bank account.
Until then, Linux is 99 percent useless to me.

Which is fine, because no one really expects otherwise from someone like
you, who's not interested in what OS he runs, only what will run on it.

The 1 percent usefullness is that I could probably
use Audacity to do some wave file editing in a pinch.
But seeing as Audacity has a Windows version as well
that makes Linux irrelevant to me.
What's wrong with my choice of newsreader BTW?

To me? Not a lot. Though not everyone reckons Thunderbird as a newsreader.

(unnecessary Windows group removed)

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Kier

Steve O wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:39:19 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2005-12-30, Steve O wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:09:20 -0800, Skeets wrote:

you obviously give a crap - spending your time here...

Here?
Where is 'here' ?
I'm reading this garbage in rec.audio.pro and quite frankly I'm sick of
this Linux ****.
Who.TF. cares?

Obviously you don't. Othwerwise you would get a decent newsreader
or configure he one you already have to get rid of "this crap". I guess
your time really isn't as valuable as you think it is...

[deletia]

I usually prefer to read messages rather
than geek around with newreader filters.
Besides we get very few trolls over in rec.audio.pro.
At least up until recently where the Bose and Linux
troll factories have been working over time.
I can see where a person could possibly get
excited over a Bose product (they look decent and
sound ok, at least until you power them on), but
get all hammered up over Linux?
Why?

If people are posting genuine questions or debates about Linux audio
with reference to audio recording and production then I am happy to
answer. Otherwise I find it as irritating as you do.

When Linux runs Nuendo let me know so I can keep
my $200.00 in pocket instead of giving it to
king Bill.
Better yet, let me know when Linux has a free program
that has the same funtionality as Nuendo and I can
save my $2000.00 from uncle Steinberg's bank account.

You might be surprised...

For instance, you cannot drop CD markers in the Nuendo arrange page and
generate a TOC file to burn a CD.
This is because Steinberg also sell Wavelab and need to restrict the
functionality of Nuendo to prevent the product lines stepping on each
others toes.
There is not the same commercial pressure with free software, and so
this simple but useful little feature is available in Ardour. (Complete
with ISRC codes, CD-text etc).

It's handy, for example, when the cd has many complex crossfades with
track ids between overlapping tracks, or quickly editing recorded
dialog for an audio CD without making loads of separate exports each
time you change something.

So you are looking at another $699 to buy Wavelab, which can read the
markers from Nuendo.

That's a total of $2900 and two separate programs to duplicate the
functionality of a totally free product.

Can you see why people might find Linux audio interesting now?

Until then, Linux is 99 percent useless to me.
The 1 percent usefullness is that I could probably
use Audacity to do some wave file editing in a pinch.
But seeing as Audacity has a Windows version as well
that makes Linux irrelevant to me.

And it will probably remain so for a long time. Nuendo is a great
program, and you will not find the same thing running on Linux, but
there are some useful tools none the less.
(I own CubaseSX and Wavelab as well, so I am not anti windows.)

What's wrong with my choice of newsreader BTW?

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:32:27 -0800, punter wrote:


If people are posting genuine questions or debates about Linux audio
with reference to audio recording and production then I am happy to
answer. Otherwise I find it as irritating as you do.

Likewise. I happen to use a Windows platform system but
several of my friends use Apple and while we have our
platform war discussions, usually over a couple of brews,
we all realize that no one platform is best.


You might be surprised...
Actually no, I have seen the aftermath of a studio that
attempted using Linux to compliment a Windows system and it was not
pretty. Linux looks great on paper, and some of the parts are very good.
However when the parts are summed the whole is much less than the sum of
the parts. For instance, the jack connection kit which from what I can
tell is similar to rewire only it allows for cross network traffic and
control which at first glance seems to be an ideal feature. The problem is
making it work, which is not easy by any means and especially by musicians
who just want to make music. Ardour is another reasonably decent looking
program but it is far too unstable to use even in a semi-professional
setting. Getting back to the studio that tried Linux, they were not
totally new to Linux and they did have some guidance from an experienced
Linux guru, but he was not an audio person. Between latency, permissions,
xruns with jack and random freezes, crashes and just plain bugs they
reached the conclusion that Linux just wasn't for them. The documentation
is geared toward people who want to PROGRAM sound, not make music.

For instance, you cannot drop CD markers in the Nuendo arrange page and
generate a TOC file to burn a CD.
This is because Steinberg also sell Wavelab and need to restrict the
functionality of Nuendo to prevent the product lines stepping on each
others toes.
I never warmed up to Wavelab for some reason. I bought into the Sony/Sonic
Foundry program a few years ago and Sony SoundForge 8 with the CD
Architect program cost me $99.00 including printed manuals and CD's. I've
done the same with Cakewalk's Sonar.


There is not the same commercial pressure with free software, and so
this simple but useful little feature is available in Ardour. (Complete
with ISRC codes, CD-text etc).

Assuming you can get jack to work and Ardour to stay up
long enough to accomplish the task. I tried the much
touted Dynebolic CD and found it to be mostly a toy.
Yes it worked, but not well and certainly not with any
type of stability.
Programs would run and then simply disappear from the screen
with no clue as to what happened.


It's handy, for example, when the cd has many complex crossfades with
track ids between overlapping tracks, or quickly editing recorded
dialog for an audio CD without making loads of separate exports each
time you change something.


So you are looking at another $699 to buy Wavelab, which can read the
markers from Nuendo.

That's a total of $2900 and two separate programs to duplicate the
functionality of a totally free product.
Examples can be found for all types of criteria and needs.
Can Ardour do video?
How well does Linux deal with softsynths?
VSTi?
What about some of the world class plugins that are
marketed for Windows and Apple?
Are the Linux plugins as good?
Sure Linux Audacity may have 20 reverb programs but are
any as good as say Wizoo, Sonitus, UAD, Lexicon etc?

Can you see why people might find Linux audio interesting now?

Interesting yes, but usable in even a semi professional
setting I would have to disagree.
It goes back to my "looks good on paper" statement.
Linux is to be watched and monitored because it is
improving, but for now as far as using Linux for even a
basic digital audio workstation is an exercise in
frustration and compromises.

And it will probably remain so for a long time. Nuendo is a great
program, and you will not find the same thing running on Linux, but
there are some useful tools none the less.
(I own CubaseSX and Wavelab as well, so I am not anti windows.)

Agreed.
If there were free Linux equivalents of programs like
Nuendo, Soundforge, Reason, Gigasampler and so forth along
with plugins like Garritan, Waves, Ozone etc then the
companies making those programs would be out of business
in a year or less.
But that's not the case and the usual list of Linux
replacements offered when this question is posed are
immature toys compared to the commercial offerings.
Until that day arrives, Linux will be something of a
tinker toy for professional digital audio production.

Steve O wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:32:27 -0800, punter wrote:


If people are posting genuine questions or debates about Linux audio
with reference to audio recording and production then I am happy to
answer. Otherwise I find it as irritating as you do.

Likewise. I happen to use a Windows platform system but
several of my friends use Apple and while we have our
platform war discussions, usually over a couple of brews,
we all realize that no one platform is best.

And then the next month, the debate begins afresh.



You might be surprised...
Actually no, I have seen the aftermath of a studio that
attempted using Linux to compliment a Windows system and it was not
pretty. Linux looks great on paper, and some of the parts are very good.
However when the parts are summed the whole is much less than the sum of
the parts. For instance, the jack connection kit which from what I can
tell is similar to rewire only it allows for cross network traffic and
control which at first glance seems to be an ideal feature. The problem is
making it work, which is not easy by any means and especially by musicians
who just want to make music. Ardour is another reasonably decent looking
program but it is far too unstable to use even in a semi-professional
setting. Getting back to the studio that tried Linux, they were not
totally new to Linux and they did have some guidance from an experienced
Linux guru, but he was not an audio person. Between latency, permissions,
xruns with jack and random freezes, crashes and just plain bugs they
reached the conclusion that Linux just wasn't for them. The documentation
is geared toward people who want to PROGRAM sound, not make music.

Sounds like a nightmare. How long ago was this, and what distro?
They should have used one of the audio distros like FC4+Planet CCRMA
that include the most popular software already configured rather than
trying to build it themselves. While it's perfectly possible to do it
by hand, it's not easy. I prefer to set up a Linux DAW by selecting the
software from a list and clicking 'install' myself.

Did they ask anyone about this on any on the Linux lists, or just go it
alone? I'm sure they would have received much the same advice as I just
gave.

Ardour has only really been usably stable for recording for me since it
went into feature freeze and Beta30 was released (last september) so I
can imagine they could have had problems with it.

There are a few other differences between Rewire and Jack, but I feel
explaining them would leave you more bored than illuminated.


For instance, you cannot drop CD markers in the Nuendo arrange page and
generate a TOC file to burn a CD.
This is because Steinberg also sell Wavelab and need to restrict the
functionality of Nuendo to prevent the product lines stepping on each
others toes.
I never warmed up to Wavelab for some reason. I bought into the Sony/Sonic
Foundry program a few years ago and Sony SoundForge 8 with the CD
Architect program cost me $99.00 including printed manuals and CD's. I've
done the same with Cakewalk's Sonar.


There is not the same commercial pressure with free software, and so
this simple but useful little feature is available in Ardour. (Complete
with ISRC codes, CD-text etc).

Assuming you can get jack to work and Ardour to stay up
long enough to accomplish the task. I tried the much
touted Dynebolic CD and found it to be mostly a toy.
Yes it worked, but not well and certainly not with any
type of stability.
Programs would run and then simply disappear from the screen
with no clue as to what happened.

Personally, I've only recommended Dynebolic for running soft synths on
an Xbox, so don't assume it's totally representative. Fervent would be
a better choice if you are serious.

That does unusually unstable though, as I run some of the software it
includes all day without problems. Much of the non audio software
(gimp.blender etc) is used by thousands, and any bug reports they get
are rather more rare and esoteric than simply disappearing.



It's handy, for example, when the cd has many complex crossfades with
track ids between overlapping tracks, or quickly editing recorded
dialog for an audio CD without making loads of separate exports each
time you change something.


So you are looking at another $699 to buy Wavelab, which can read the
markers from Nuendo.

That's a total of $2900 and two separate programs to duplicate the
functionality of a totally free product.
Examples can be found for all types of criteria and needs.
Can Ardour do video?

No. It's strictly audio. I think there is a video player that syncs to
it over Jack, but I have not tried it.

How well does Linux deal with softsynths?

That's pretty good, and is the main use of the Linux box in my studio.
Linux sampler for Gigasampler pianos etc, Zyn, various DSSI synths, PD,
Specimin etc.
Ardour mainly acts as a router/mixer/effects, though I've been using it
for recording more and recently.

VSTi?

I've not tried it. People are running various VSTis, but it's a bit raw
for me to investigate.

What about some of the world class plugins that are
marketed for Windows and Apple?
Are the Linux plugins as good?

Depends what you want. One of my faves is 'Freqtweak' for which there
is no real equivalent on Win/mac.

Sure Linux Audacity may have 20 reverb programs but are
any as good as say Wizoo, Sonitus, UAD, Lexicon etc?

No. There are some usable software ones, but you have to use a
convolver for anything realistic. TAP-Reverb is ok, I'd say about the
level of Sonitus.

I don't use Audacity, so I'm not sure what the ones that come with it
are like.


Can you see why people might find Linux audio interesting now?

Interesting yes, but usable in even a semi professional
setting I would have to disagree.
It goes back to my "looks good on paper" statement.
Linux is to be watched and monitored because it is
improving, but for now as far as using Linux for even a
basic digital audio workstation is an exercise in
frustration and compromises.

Bah. Perhaps. Though there are rewards for the persistant even now.


And it will probably remain so for a long time. Nuendo is a great
program, and you will not find the same thing running on Linux, but
there are some useful tools none the less.
(I own CubaseSX and Wavelab as well, so I am not anti windows.)

Agreed.
If there were free Linux equivalents of programs like
Nuendo, Soundforge, Reason, Gigasampler and so forth along
with plugins like Garritan, Waves, Ozone etc then the
companies making those programs would be out of business
in a year or less.
But that's not the case and the usual list of Linux
replacements offered when this question is posed are
immature toys compared to the commercial offerings.
Until that day arrives, Linux will be something of a
tinker toy for professional digital audio production.

This always seems to happen when Linux audio is mentioned, that it gets
compared to every single piece of software available for Win/Mac, even
though the average win/mac user will only be able to afford a small
fraction of the commercial software available.

Realistically if you think about what most people actually own there
are many gaps to be filled, and obviously, you get all the available
software on Linux.

I tend to pick what I consider the cream of Linux software, and run it
alongside a CubaseSX/Win2K box, avoid tweaking things, and find it
works rather well.

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:58:38 +0000, Walter Mitty wrote:

"ray" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering
mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-01-01, commmitted
his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:01:23 +0000, win_not_lin wrote:

You get none of the quality of MS Office or Adobe either.

Actually, the quality surpasses that of MS BS. Can MS Office do PDF's? Not
the last time I checked. Can MS Office read OO docs? Not the last time I
checked. OO, Abiword and Gnumeric read and write MS formats flawlessly,
and are much more flexible. I don't need 90% of what Adobe PS offers -
Gimp does basic operations quite well, thank you.

Basic operations yes. But no pro photographer of graphic designer
would use it. Its a hobbyist program. So you admit your MM needs are
low key. So are mine in fairness : except for missing FPS games.

A snotty geek telling you to "Search The ****ing Web" and "Read The
****ing Manual" is not support in my book.

How about going to a news group, asking a question and receiving total
step by step instructions - I've seen that happen many times. How about an
exhaustive list of detailed HOWTOs at www.tldp.org?

Amazing how difficult it is to find this info : how often have you
referenced it to people?


Then what are you doing in an advocacy group?

I'm here giving add and assistance to those who request it and debunking
FUD like yours.


I dont think "Linux is hard to install for the average home user" is
FUD. Its how it is. Its how MS got the market share.

Sure, Linux is hard for the average home user to install. So is MS. I
found that in starting from scratch, Linux was no more difficult that MS
to install. Yes, I realize that most computers come with MS installed. If
the average home user takes his time, and reads the instructions, it can
quite easily be accomplished - if (s)he's not up to it, there are people
in the world who will install and set it up for a reasonable fee. The real
point is that Linux is no more difficult to use once it is properly
installed and set up - and I have proof. I installed Linux on the public
access internet computers at the local library almost a year ago - to date
NO complaints. A customer satisfaction survey showed no real problems, and
a number of the patrons were not even aware they were not using MS.




- you should give me the same respect.


No smart assed reply to this one, huh?

On 2006-01-01, Walter Mitty wrote:
"ray" risked the wrath of Usenet weenies mastering
mommies computer when he ventured forth on 2006-01-01, commmitted
his life to the whims of Google, and spluttered:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:01:23 +0000, win_not_lin wrote:

You get none of the quality of MS Office or Adobe either.

Actually, the quality surpasses that of MS BS. Can MS Office do PDF's? Not
the last time I checked. Can MS Office read OO docs? Not the last time I
checked. OO, Abiword and Gnumeric read and write MS formats flawlessly,
and are much more flexible. I don't need 90% of what Adobe PS offers -
Gimp does basic operations quite well, thank you.

Basic operations yes. But no pro photographer of graphic designer

I would not expect a pro photographer to NEED what windows
has in the way of so called "pro photography" tools. That's what
the camera is for.

[deletia]

Now, motion photographers that are into fake realities are
quite satisfied using Linux as a professional authoring platform.

--

It is not true that Microsoft doesn't innovate.

They brought us the email virus.

In my Atari days, such a notion would have |||
been considered a complete absurdity. / | \

I would not expect a pro photographer to NEED what windows
has in the way of so called "pro photography" tools. That's what
the camera is for.

So, why do you need a computer if you have a pencil?

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John O

wrote
on Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:13:32 GMT
:

I would not expect a pro photographer to NEED what windows
has in the way of so called "pro photography" tools. That's what
the camera is for.

So, why do you need a computer if you have a pencil?


Well, there you have it. Proof that motion photographers must
purchase Windows in order to do anything useful, by comparing
Linux to a pencil.

What's next on the proof list? :-P

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