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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design required,
doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance ration
is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just awful.
WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what distortion
sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit distortion
is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is even necessary
to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design required,
doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance ration
is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just awful.
WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit distortion
is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is even necessary
to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design required,
doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance ration
is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just awful.
WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit distortion
is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is even
necessary to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

Not when you already know it's poisoned.

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design
required, doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance
ration is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just awful.
WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that
made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit
distortion is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is
even necessary to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

Not when you already know it's poisoned.


Thanlks for admitting that your position is: when evaluating any piece of
equipment, all you have to do is read thespecs and that there
is no need to listen to the equipment.

Clyde Slick said:

Thanlks for admitting that your position is: when evaluating any piece of
equipment, all you have to do is read thespecs and that there
is no need to listen to the equipment.

Mickey is the second 'borg to admit to that shortcoming. The first was the
jejune Sillybot, and it happened a matter of mere weeks ago.

Time was the 'borgs loved to posture about Their great expertise and vast
knowledge. They used to boast that Their command of the marketplace was so
supernal, They could instantly match up a set of specs with the
corresponding audible performance in their magnificently detailed data
banks. Good to see They have come off that ridiculous posturing and
admitted what we all knew -- that They are ignorant, envy-riddled poseurs
who are simply afraid of all luxury goods, including audio.

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design
required, doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance
ration is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just
awful. WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that
made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when
you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit
distortion is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is
even necessary to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

Not when you already know it's poisoned.


Thanlks for admitting that your position is: when evaluating any piece of
equipment, all you have to do is read thespecs and that there
is no need to listen to the equipment.
Specs are a starting point. If all one did was read teh specs of a WAVAC
amp, they'd think it looks pretty good on paper. Bench tests and
measurements tell a more revealing story.

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design
required, doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance
ration is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just
awful. WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that
made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when
you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some
other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit
distortion is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC is
even necessary to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

Not when you already know it's poisoned.


Thanlks for admitting that your position is: when evaluating any piece of
equipment, all you have to do is read thespecs and that there
is no need to listen to the equipment.

Specs are a starting point. If all one did was read teh specs of a WAVAC
amp, they'd think it looks pretty good on paper. Bench tests and
measurements tell a more revealing story.

I don;t care what it looks like.
waht does it sound like?
Listen to the goddamn thing.

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:48:13 GMT, wrote:

When the juice is there, the sound is there. Just
because there are models that don't have the good design
required, doesn't
mean that all tube amps are bad.

I would never say all are bad, but their cost vs. performance
ration is not
good, and there are many really expensive ones that are just
awful. WAVAC.

When you listened to this amp, what was it about the sound that
made
you think that is was awful? And what speakers did you use when
you
auditioned it?

I have not auditioned it and never will, I already know what
distortion sounds like and I want no more of it.


"At least" Arny sometimes listens to a sound file through some
other
piece of inferior audio equipment!!

Are you seriously trying get me to beleive that double digit
distortion is not audible, or that an ABX comparison of the WAVAC
is even necessary to know that it sounds different from other amps?

you won't listen to anything, WAVAC, or anything else.

I listen to speakers, since they make the biggest difference.
I don't listen to something that measures as poorly as the WAVAC, I'm
looking for Hi-Fi, not room heaters or boat anchors.


You're looking for Ferstler's proverbial toasters.
No need to taste the toast!

Not when you already know it's poisoned.


Thanlks for admitting that your position is: when evaluating any piece
of
equipment, all you have to do is read thespecs and that there
is no need to listen to the equipment.

Specs are a starting point. If all one did was read teh specs of a WAVAC
amp, they'd think it looks pretty good on paper. Bench tests and
measurements tell a more revealing story.

I don;t care what it looks like.
waht does it sound like?
Listen to the goddamn thing.

You don't seem to get it, I'm not looking for an amp that is going to
unquestionably alter the sound of whatever goes through it. I ONLY WANT IT
TO AMPLIFY, NOT ALTER. If your not smart enough to know from the published
measurements, that the WAVAC is going to garbage up the signal, then you
need a new hobby.