David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

"Les Cargill" wrote in message .. .

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:


http://www.theinfozone.net/


Anyone notice that the Red Cross has been denied access to New Orleans?



There are reports of rescue workers under sniper fire. Are these
reports bogus? I do not know.


Gee Les, if those who are left are those too poor to leave, or the drug addicts
and criminals who stupidly thought they could profit from the disaster, then it
seems very possible to me that the thug who's sitting on the goods he ripped
of or the heroin he needs to sell would stupidly defend his desire to stay.
When it's actually time to move into the neighborhoods and clear them out,
I think some more people are going to die.


I wouldn't be surprised. But having Red Cross people shot is Bad.
In metro combat situations between police and criminals, the
paramedics don't go in until the police declare the situation
secured. They ( Red Cross) are not held to a combat medic level
of behavior....

Metro N.O is too unsafe for the presence of the Red Cross? Sick....


Very. Again, I have no way of knowing if the reports are true
or not.


"Osama bin Katrina" might just be putting a few 'things' into perspective here.


Nah. Not even close. I doubt the Loyal Opposition will be able to
glean much political capital, here. Sad, really...


C'mon... we didn't lose a few buildings because of a lucky terrorist operation here,
the city of New Orleans (and a few others) are practically missing from the map.


Oh, absolutely. This is outside anybody's plan.

Where is the heavy military construction machine? It's in Iraq building hard bases,
since after 911 we were kicked out of Saudi Arabia.


There's been motion recently. "we were kicked out of Saudi" is s
complicated and messy thing. Fixes of fixes of fixes - this hoohah
goes all the way back to BP's original deal with the original
King Saud.

Where was the National Guard? It's in Iraq, contributing to the creation of an
Islamic state, to the detriment of our economy, human lives and any sort of
potential democracy. No more secular state in Iraq... mark me on that one.


It's apparently in motion. The timeline will need to be subject to,
ultimately Congressional review. Seems slow to me, too, but I
don't have the facts.

Where were the long lines of trucks and equipment, pre-staged along the roads
and highways leading to New Orleans, like they were for brother Jeb when things
got rough, hurricane-wise, in Florida? They weren't... end of story.


I-95 in FLorida was still there. I-10 is gone. This thing's a
Cat-5, into NOLA. Pure dee dee-saster on the hoof. *Much*
bigger mess.

I suspect the storm itself destroyed the Guard's ability to move.

If the conclusion is: the Guard was misdeployed into the
Gulf, then expect a draft.

Where was our illustrious new "Homeland Zecurity," who is now charged with
overseeing this sort of thing? They weren't... end of story.

Where was the president of the US? Va-f*ucking-cation....


He held press conferences from "vacation". But yeah - that's a good
crack to be exploited.

I could go on...



Whoever has to go on has to do so in a manner that will affect the
outcome of elections for there to be any difference.

That's, um, not happened in a while.




--
Les Cargill

"Jebabical" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


Right, its very easy to avoid political pressure by not
spending money on emergency preparedness.

You do realize that every time you open your mouth you
sound even dumber?

If irony killed.

Better get back to your dbt's. At least their you can
hide you incompetence from those that don't know better.

Were? their?

;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

|
|Fact is, the city should have stockpiled enough water at the
|Superdome. Maybe city officials don't know how to read
|recommendations from the Red Cross. Maybe they think that
|they don't need to consider them. Maybe they think they know
|better.

Maybe they didn't want to spend their own money to do it, instead
hoping that the rest of us would spend Federal money to do it!

Phil

wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote:


Fact is, the city should have stockpiled enough water at
the Superdome. Maybe city officials don't know how to
read recommendations from the Red Cross. Maybe they
think that they don't need to consider them. Maybe they
think they know better.

Maybe they didn't want to spend their own money to do it,
instead hoping that the rest of us would spend Federal
money to do it!

If I read Hank's posts right, he's faulting the federal
government for not buying into this *plan*.

"Les Cargill" wrote in message ...
David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

"Les Cargill" wrote in message .. .

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:


http://www.theinfozone.net/


Anyone notice that the Red Cross has been denied access to New Orleans?



There are reports of rescue workers under sniper fire. Are these
reports bogus? I do not know.


Gee Les, if those who are left are those too poor to leave, or the drug addicts
and criminals who stupidly thought they could profit from the disaster, then it
seems very possible to me that the thug who's sitting on the goods he ripped
of or the heroin he needs to sell would stupidly defend his desire to stay.
When it's actually time to move into the neighborhoods and clear them out,
I think some more people are going to die.

I wouldn't be surprised. But having Red Cross people shot is Bad.
In metro combat situations between police and criminals, the
paramedics don't go in until the police declare the situation
secured. They ( Red Cross) are not held to a combat medic level
of behavior....

Agreed. And the side I left out is that the elderly, sick, and infirmed could
also not get out in time... this is it's own dilemma of sorts. They are stuck
mingling and suffering with much of the first group mentioned.

Metro N.O is too unsafe for the presence of the Red Cross? Sick....

Very. Again, I have no way of knowing if the reports are true or not.

I've been trying to stay with the AP wire services and the BBC on this one.


"Osama bin Katrina" might just be putting a few 'things' into perspective here.

Nah. Not even close. I doubt the Loyal Opposition will be able to
glean much political capital, here. Sad, really...

C'mon... we didn't lose a few buildings because of a lucky terrorist operation here,
the city of New Orleans (and a few others) are practically missing from the map.

Oh, absolutely. This is outside anybody's plan.

FEMA "war gamed" this very situation only two years ago. For the past ten
years or so this very subject (N.O. below sea level) has been the focus of
a number of documentaries and PBS feature stories. Sombody just went
to sleep on the job here.

Where is the heavy military construction machine? It's in Iraq building hard
bases, since after 911 we were kicked out of Saudi Arabia.

There's been motion recently. "we were kicked out of Saudi" is s
complicated and messy thing. Fixes of fixes of fixes - this hoohah
goes all the way back to BP's original deal with the original
King Saud.

It's still amazing to me that the media did not publicly put 2 and 2 together
on this one. 90% of the highjackers were Saudi... then we suddenly and
quietly remove an equal percentage of our forces from that country. Odd?

Where was the National Guard? It's in Iraq, contributing to the creation of an
Islamic state, to the detriment of our economy, human lives and any sort of
potential democracy. No more secular state in Iraq... mark me on that one.

It's apparently in motion. The timeline will need to be subject to,
ultimately Congressional review. Seems slow to me, too, but I
don't have the facts.

You do understand what the 'hang-up' is with their new constitution, do
you not? They want the secular Sunni moved out of the political picture
as far as is possible and they are demaning the new constitution be
written for "The Islamic State of Iraq".

Where were the long lines of trucks and equipment, pre-staged along the roads
and highways leading to New Orleans, like they were for brother Jeb when things
got rough, hurricane-wise, in Florida? They weren't... end of story.

I-95 in FLorida was still there. I-10 is gone. This thing's a
Cat-5, into NOLA. Pure dee dee-saster on the hoof. *Much*
bigger mess.

I will sort of buy that concept... but why is it then, that civilians with boats in tow
from adjoining states and as far a way as California could simply drive in and
start to help ??

I suspect the storm itself destroyed the Guard's ability to move.

If the conclusion is: the Guard was misdeployed into the
Gulf, then expect a draft.

The "Guard" is definitely a volunteer service to "community, state and country"
and in that order. Why Jowe Blowe the shoe salesman is off in Iraq without
massive outrage from the American people is beyond me. This administration
has enjoyed far too much impunity. But anyway, yes, that's where the Guard
and all of there equipment happen to be at the moment... fighting an impossible
to fight cough-cough "war" on an undefinable enemy.

As to the draft.... luckily, HR-163 was defeated last year, but variants have been
floating around since then. Keep eyes open here... http://www.sss.gov/

Where was our illustrious new "Homeland Zecurity," who is now charged with
overseeing this sort of thing? They weren't... end of story.

Homeland Security is a miserable failure. They give totally rural elements of
this country huge amounts of money for crap they will never use. All they
have to do is meet the qualifications and apply for the money. There's a bunch
of small-town sheriffs getting rich off of these sorts of blunders.

Where was the president of the US? Va-f*ucking-cation....

He held press conferences from "vacation". But yeah - that's a good
crack to be exploited.

He held 'photo-ops' and was pressed into PCs only when necessary. He
went on with his pre-scheduled fund raising parties for the first three days
after this disaster, as if it did not exist. Those who were to carry out some
sort of action on his behalf, did not. The BUCK STOPS THERE !!

I could go on...

Whoever has to go on has to do so in a manner that will affect the
outcome of elections for there to be any difference.

That's, um, not happened in a while.

Thank you Diebold and homeland zecurity. Sorry Les, but I'm really
frustrated about this whole scenario, say nothing of my hatred for
the administration that is ruining the stability and image of this country.

DM

Arny Krueger wrote:


Better get back to your dbt's. At least their you can
hide you incompetence from those that don't know better.


Were? their?


And I'm sure you never had a typo. Perhaps you can store that in your
little pea brain and use it in every argument you make. Along with that
damn mayor bs.

"Matrixmusic" wrote in message oups.com...
Canada has sent over 2,000 relief workers specializing in health,
engineering and construction.
The citizens here have raised millions for the Red Cross. Amazingly it
took 3 days for the Bush administration to reply to Canada's offer.
??????.
I hope it helps the people afflicted.
Kevin


Thanks Kevin. I hope the American people wake up, and I hope
the vast amounts of dollars, equipment and manpower that are
being offered from around the world are accepted by this faltering
administration.

DM

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:

Thanks Kevin. I hope the American people wake up, and I hope
the vast amounts of dollars, equipment and manpower that are
being offered from around the world are accepted by this faltering
administration.


I usually stay the hell out of this stuff (it *IS* an audio newsgroup
after all... there are other forums for these discussions that are much
more appropriate), but I saw David's name and figgered there would be
something worth reading so here I am.

Vancouver sent its Disaster Response Team. They specialize in rescue
and stabilization in preparation for recovery. Their offer of help
wasn't accepted until Thursday. How many days in was that?

They've now been sent home. I guess there isn't much point in having a
rescue team there this long after the incident.

Our station sent a camera and reporter to cover the Team's activities,
but they couldn't. There are FEMA checkpoints on all the passable
routes, and our guys got turned back at all of them, ostensibly in the
interest of protecting their safety. Our team's protestations that they
were more interested in getting the story than they were in their own
safety fell on deaf ears.

Either the authorities are really dedicated to protecting people, or
they really don't want TV cameras in there.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in
message news:m5cTe.217481$9A2.24025@edtnps89

Either the authorities are really dedicated to protecting
people, or they really don't want TV cameras in there.

With multiple cable channels providing live many-hours-per
day feeds...

????????

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in
message news:m5cTe.217481$9A2.24025@edtnps89

Either the authorities are really dedicated to protecting
people, or they really don't want TV cameras in there.

With multiple cable channels providing live many-hours-per
day feeds...


Sure Arny... You're running overtime in defense of an indefensible act
of negligence in responding to a catastrophy here.

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up in remote areas
for the Bush photo ops... and how quickly the set-up was torn down after
the CIC left the area.

___________________________


[NYTr] German TV: Bush staged food distribution event
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/piperm...05/022878.html

War and Piece - Sep 3, 2005
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002485.html

German TV: Bush staged food distribution

___________________________

[NYTr] Bush Taking Heat for Utter Incompetence
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/piperm...29/022672.html

Bush is taking a lot of heat for Lake New Orleans, including from the New
York Times [yesterday's lead editorial, already distributed-NYTr]. Some of
the facts being reported are pretty incriminating.-RM

Salon - Aug 31, 2005
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...ngs/index.html

Warning? What warning?
___________________________

[NYTr] US Refusing Unprecedented Aid Offers
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/piperm...29/022624.html

___________________________

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in
message news:x%jTe.17915$Sx4.3622@trnddc06
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in
message news:m5cTe.217481$9A2.24025@edtnps89

Either the authorities are really dedicated to
protecting people, or they really don't want TV cameras
in there.

With multiple cable channels providing live
many-hours-per day feeds...


Sure Arny... You're running overtime in defense of an
indefensible act
of negligence in responding to a catastrophy here.

Not at all.

In the end all of the negligance will be defended. Do you
seriously think that any high-level politicos will go to
jail?

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up
in remote areas
for the Bush photo ops... and how quickly the set-up was
torn down after
the CIC left the area.

So what? Nobody has TV equipment to burn.

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

With multiple cable channels providing live many-hours-per day
feeds...

????????



Sorry, I wasn't very specific. By "there" I meant whatever area the
search and rescue team was entering. Obviously the media have not been
shut out, but they're not being allowed to just go anywhere they want.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Arny Krueger wrote:

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up
in remote areas
for the Bush photo ops... and how quickly the set-up was
torn down after
the CIC left the area.

So what? Nobody has TV equipment to burn.

I saw that on ARD or ZDF and already commented on it in this newsgroup.
It was a corps recovery operation in an empty building, dogs and all,
arranged to go on as staged background for GW's performance.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen


--
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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in ..

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up
in remote areas for the Bush photo ops... and how quickly
the set-up was torn down after the CIC left the area.

So what? Nobody has TV equipment to burn.


You're ****ing me off with your babbling... I'm afraid I'll have to drop
out of this **** for a few days before I make people mad at me.

Can you imagine walking away from the people close to the photo op?
Just walking away, getting in your helicopter and removing the heavy
equipment placed there for the pictures? Just walking away and leaving
them all over again ???

"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in
message news:3akTe.226246$HI.1619@edtnps84
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

With multiple cable channels providing live
many-hours-per day feeds...

????????

Sorry, I wasn't very specific. By "there" I meant
whatever area the search and rescue team was entering.
Obviously the media have not been shut out, but they're
not being allowed to just go anywhere they want.

Maybe I have a limited imagination for gore or distressing
vistas, but I can't imagine anything worse or more
disturbing than that which has already been shown.

Well then again there's that nursing home in New Orleans
with what 80 dead bodies in it. Hmm 3 days New Orleans heat,
I bet the bodies are bloating pretty nicely and might even
start splitting. Possiblity of animal feeding, as well.

Am I supposed to be upset about not seeing that on the
evening news?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message...

Am I supposed to be upset about not seeing that on the
evening news?


Let's do something else for a couple of days, Arny. I promise
not to come back to these threads until Friday at the earliest.

Can you do the same thing ????

Have a nice week.

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in
message news:0xkTe.17921$Sx4.12821@trnddc06
"Arny Krueger" wrote in ..

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up
in remote areas for the Bush photo ops... and how
quickly the set-up was torn down after the CIC left the
area.

So what? Nobody has TV equipment to burn.


You're ****ing me off with your babbling... I'm afraid
I'll have to drop out of this **** for a few days before
I make people mad at me.

You already been there and done that.

Can you imagine walking away from the people close to the
photo op? Just walking away, getting in your helicopter
and removing the heavy equipment placed there for the
pictures?

Prove that such a thing actually happened, with all context
issues considered.

Use of sources congenitally critical of the Federal
government is not allowed.

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in
message news:fKkTe.13882$IT4.3312@trnddc04
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message...

Am I supposed to be upset about not seeing that on the
evening news?


Let's do something else for a couple of days, Arny. I
promise not to come back to these threads until Friday at
the earliest.

Can you do the same thing ????

If nobody trolls me.

Have a nice week.

Thank you. However, it looks like our lives will have a big
cloud over them for quite some time. Let's not let it be
about us.

After speaking with several of my friends in network news, mostly audio
and camera crew people, one indisputable fact is clear: The networks
knew about the potential of Katrina's potential well in advance and
were prepared to cover the possible catastrophe with personel,
transportation and hardware. When got closer, the calls came to grab
gear and go down. When it hit, more crews mobilized and went down.
In fact, many of them were taking part in rescue operations because
they were needed to. TV crews and outside individuals kept arriving
throughout but federal help literally did not arrive for days.


I'm not as angry about a goverment's slowness to act on something (when
I don't know the details of what it takes to turn proclamations into
bodies in motion in DC) as much as the fact that the media was so much
more on top of the situation that if camera and microphone operators
were our best bet to save lives instead of FEMA crews, we would have
been better off. They were there waiting for them.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message...

If nobody trolls me.

You are feeding them. People are angry. None of the governmental
bodies will or should go without reprimand and investigation.

Please give these threads a break for a few days. I will see you on
Friday. Can you ignore the trolls that long? I can.

Peace

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

"Les Cargill" wrote in message ...
snip
I wouldn't be surprised. But having Red Cross people shot is Bad.
In metro combat situations between police and criminals, the
paramedics don't go in until the police declare the situation
secured. They ( Red Cross) are not held to a combat medic level
of behavior....


Agreed. And the side I left out is that the elderly, sick, and infirmed could
also not get out in time... this is it's own dilemma of sorts. They are stuck
mingling and suffering with much of the first group mentioned.




Um, yeah.

Metro N.O is too unsafe for the presence of the Red Cross? Sick....


Very. Again, I have no way of knowing if the reports are true or not.


I've been trying to stay with the AP wire services and the BBC on this one.



Good plan, although they may or may not have folx
on the ground...


"Osama bin Katrina" might just be putting a few 'things' into perspective here.


Nah. Not even close. I doubt the Loyal Opposition will be able to
glean much political capital, here. Sad, really...


C'mon... we didn't lose a few buildings because of a lucky terrorist operation here,
the city of New Orleans (and a few others) are practically missing from the map.


Oh, absolutely. This is outside anybody's plan.


FEMA "war gamed" this very situation only two years ago. For the past ten
years or so this very subject (N.O. below sea level) has been the focus of
a number of documentaries and PBS feature stories. Sombody just went
to sleep on the job here.



Yup. You're right, there. Bottom line: no funds, no change in plans
to account for the new data.

Where is the heavy military construction machine? It's in Iraq building hard
bases, since after 911 we were kicked out of Saudi Arabia.


There's been motion recently. "we were kicked out of Saudi" is s
complicated and messy thing. Fixes of fixes of fixes - this hoohah
goes all the way back to BP's original deal with the original
King Saud.


It's still amazing to me that the media did not publicly put 2 and 2 together
on this one. 90% of the highjackers were Saudi... then we suddenly and
quietly remove an equal percentage of our forces from that country. Odd?



The "Frontline" people did a full story on it, back to the
beginning:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

Extremely recommended. I bet the library can ILL it
for you. It's a really sad piece - a total comedy
of errors, people trying to solve problems Very Hard
and making a mess of it.


Where was the National Guard? It's in Iraq, contributing to the creation of an
Islamic state, to the detriment of our economy, human lives and any sort of
potential democracy. No more secular state in Iraq... mark me on that one.


It's apparently in motion. The timeline will need to be subject to,
ultimately Congressional review. Seems slow to me, too, but I
don't have the facts.


You do understand what the 'hang-up' is with their new constitution, do
you not? They want the secular Sunni moved out of the political picture
as far as is possible and they are demaning the new constitution be
written for "The Islamic State of Iraq".


Yes. I don't know how that's gonna shake out, either. Sometimes
regimes... "bounce" a bit... but there are some
sharp people there, Iraquis.


Where were the long lines of trucks and equipment, pre-staged along the roads
and highways leading to New Orleans, like they were for brother Jeb when things
got rough, hurricane-wise, in Florida? They weren't... end of story.


I-95 in FLorida was still there. I-10 is gone. This thing's a
Cat-5, into NOLA. Pure dee dee-saster on the hoof. *Much*
bigger mess.


I will sort of buy that concept... but why is it then, that civilians with boats in tow
from adjoining states and as far a way as California could simply drive in and
start to help ??


There's new stuff coming to light. It's a bewlidering amount of
stuff, and it'll be A WHile being sorted. But this is a
most excellent question.


I suspect the storm itself destroyed the Guard's ability to move.

If the conclusion is: the Guard was misdeployed into the
Gulf, then expect a draft.


The "Guard" is definitely a volunteer service to "community, state and country"
and in that order. Why Jowe Blowe the shoe salesman is off in Iraq without
massive outrage from the American people is beyond me. This administration
has enjoyed far too much impunity. But anyway, yes, that's where the Guard
and all of there equipment happen to be at the moment... fighting an impossible
to fight cough-cough "war" on an undefinable enemy.

As to the draft.... luckily, HR-163 was defeated last year, but variants have been
floating around since then. Keep eyes open here... http://www.sss.gov/



It's just a matter of time, now.

Where was our illustrious new "Homeland Zecurity," who is now charged with
overseeing this sort of thing? They weren't... end of story.


Homeland Security is a miserable failure. They give totally rural elements of
this country huge amounts of money for crap they will never use. All they
have to do is meet the qualifications and apply for the money. There's a bunch
of small-town sheriffs getting rich off of these sorts of blunders.


Where was the president of the US? Va-f*ucking-cation....


He held press conferences from "vacation". But yeah - that's a good
crack to be exploited.


He held 'photo-ops' and was pressed into PCs only when necessary. He
went on with his pre-scheduled fund raising parties for the first three days
after this disaster, as if it did not exist. Those who were to carry out some
sort of action on his behalf, did not. The BUCK STOPS THERE !!


I could go on...


Whoever has to go on has to do so in a manner that will affect the
outcome of elections for there to be any difference.

That's, um, not happened in a while.


Thank you Diebold and homeland zecurity.

Nah. I went over this elsewhere; Gore nor Kerry quite landed
the fish. Sorry dewd; it's true. Wasn't good enough.

Remember '94? Clinton had the killer instinct; drove 'em
to the water's edge, timed all the pushes *just right*.

Sorry Les, but I'm really
frustrated about this whole scenario, say nothing of my hatred for
the administration that is ruining the stability and image of this country.


Understood, understood. Keep the faith. It's earlier than you
think...

DM


--
Les Cargill

Peter Larsen wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

German and Italian TV both reported on the quick set-up
in remote areas
for the Bush photo ops... and how quickly the set-up was
torn down after
the CIC left the area.

So what? Nobody has TV equipment to burn.

I saw that on ARD or ZDF and already commented on it in this newsgroup.
It was a corps recovery operation in an empty building, dogs and all,
arranged to go on as staged background for GW's performance.

Fakes R US. The moon landing was a TV thing. Now get a good night's
sleep and enjoy the KoolAid.

--
ha

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...aster_response


"FEMA Chief Sent Help Only When Storm Ended"

Associated Press

The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane
Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to
dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security workers to support rescuers in the
region - and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal
documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency,
sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff
roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said
that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image"
about the government's response for victims.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications
teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the
first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.

(snip)

Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help
evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The
president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the
Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could
participate in an airlift for refugees.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Pooh Bear" wrote
in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


wrote in message



As for boiling water, what would you
use to heat it up?

The city has been dry and sunny for days since the
hurrcane - plenty of dry wood around above the water in
the form of houses.

You really are a classic boy scout ****wit clot Arny !


Since you can't keep a civil tongue Graham, end of
discussion.


Promise?

jak