After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a Jukebox 3,
I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that they are no longer
available. Is there any other HD based MP3 players that do a good job at
recording 44.1 wav files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of these or have
any other sugestions?

regards
Ron Wiebe

"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com writes:
After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a Jukebox 3,
I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that they are no longer
available. Is there any other HD based MP3 players that do a good job at
recording 44.1 wav files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of these or have
any other sugestions?

I have -- they're wonderful. They're a breeze to find on ebay and are
going for a song (if you pardon the pun). I have a page detailing my
nomad jukebox adventures for recording live music he
http://toddh.net/music/njb/

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"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message

After reading several positive reviews on portable
recording
on a Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one. However,
it
seeems that they are no longer available. Is there any
other
HD based MP3 players that do a good job at recording 44.1
wav
files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a
good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of
these or have any other sugestions?

I have a NJB3 and every live recording session I've done
with it has come out exactly as expected. The latest
firmware makes recording which was always easy, even easier.

Ron Wiebe wrote:
After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a Jukebox 3,
I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that they are no longer
available. Is there any other HD based MP3 players that do a good job at
recording 44.1 wav files?

Nothing that I am aware of at this time comes close to the
price/performance of the NJB3.



The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a good price directly from Creative.

Where? They used to have them on eBay but I don't see any there right now.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message

After reading several positive reviews on portable
recording
on a Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one. However,
it
seeems that they are no longer available. Is there any
other
HD based MP3 players that do a good job at recording 44.1
wav
files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a
good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of
these or have any other sugestions?

I have a NJB3 and every live recording session I've done
with it has come out exactly as expected. The latest
firmware makes recording which was always easy, even easier.


That's great, but you can't get the JB3 any more. I'm leary of buying one
that doesn't have any warranty. Therefore I'm looking for different
options. Have you, or anyone else, used the original Jukebox or any other
suitable MP3 players with 20 or more gigs of HD space?

regards
Ron Wiebe

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:20:53 -0400, in rec.audio.pro "Ron Wiebe"
ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote:

After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a Jukebox 3,
I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that they are no longer
available. Is there any other HD based MP3 players that do a good job at
recording 44.1 wav files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of these or have
any other sugestions?

regards
Ron Wiebe

this was posted on RAMPS by Oleg
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martin

"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message
...


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message

After reading several positive reviews on portable
recording
on a Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one. However,
it
seeems that they are no longer available. Is there any
other
HD based MP3 players that do a good job at recording 44.1
wav
files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for
a
good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on of
these or have any other sugestions?

I have a NJB3 and every live recording session I've done
with it has come out exactly as expected. The latest
firmware makes recording which was always easy, even easier.


That's great, but you can't get the JB3 any more. I'm leary of buying one
that doesn't have any warranty. Therefore I'm looking for different
options. Have you, or anyone else, used the original Jukebox or any other
suitable MP3 players with 20 or more gigs of HD space?

regards
Ron Wiebe




I bought an Archos Gmini 120 for this exact purpose. So far it's working
good.

You can record wav 16/44.1, anolog line-in and digital in/out, usb 2.0
connection
and the record meter is big and easy to see



Joachim

Great gadget...

I'll connect mine to the mixer outs to back me up during a live
multitrack session or use it to sneeker material for auditioning around
other places/systems. Found a program that'll interface my JB3 with
iTunes which is a bit cumbersome but gets the job done.

They seem relatively rugged - I've had one drop off a dining table onto
a carpeted floor while playing and it seems fine.

The mini plug is goofy..

Cleaver people have been replacing the 20gb hd with much larger
drives...

Creative has a line of flash drive recorders coming on line that have a
line-in. Presently, it's limited to 128 (?) kbps MP3. I'm wondering
if the compression versus full wav recording is handled in firmware or
on specialized silicon. Anyway, been doing some imagineering using
these a handful of these little recorders about the room, up in the
rafters, in the balcony, certain spot locations, etc. and gathering
them all together during post production. Probably may pick one up to
mess around with....

"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message

After reading several positive reviews on portable
recording
on a Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one.
However,
it
seeems that they are no longer available. Is there any
other
HD based MP3 players that do a good job at recording
44.1
wav
files? The original 20gig Nomad Jukebox is available
for
a
good price directly from Creative. Has anyone used on
of
these or have any other sugestions?

I have a NJB3 and every live recording session I've done
with it has come out exactly as expected. The latest
firmware makes recording which was always easy, even
easier.


That's great, but you can't get the JB3 any more.

Agreed.

I'm leary of buying one that doesn't have any warranty.

When I bought mine, new warrantied product was available.
However, the warranty period was only 90 days.

I'd probably consider buying one again from a seller that
would guarantee no DOA.

Therefore I'm looking for different options.

They'll cost you so much more that you could probably buy 2
or more used NJB3s for the same price.

Have you, or anyone else, used
the original Jukebox or any other suitable MP3 players
with 20
or more gigs of HD space?

iRiver's name comes to mind...

"Joachim" wrote in message
eenews.net

I bought an Archos Gmini 120 for this exact purpose. So
far
it's working good.

You can record wav 16/44.1, anolog line-in and digital
in/out,
usb 2.0 connection and the record meter is big and easy
to see

I found this sort of pricing on the web:

http://www.wiredzone.com/itemdesc.as...68&source=Cnet

If my NJB3 bites the dust, this would be very high on my
list.

Thanks.

"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com writes:

That's great, but you can't get the JB3 any more.

On ebay you can.

I'm leary of buying one
that doesn't have any warranty.

Buy two. They're that inexpensive used. Folks who have them are
eying iPod's as most folks overlook their use as high quality digital
recorders.

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In article "Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com writes:

After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a Jukebox 3,
I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that they are no longer
available. Is there any other HD based MP3 players that do a good job at
recording 44.1 wav files?

I've been looking for a more "professional" replacement ever since I
got a Jukebox 3 to replace my DAT. I'm still looking. The current
options are either no more professional than what I have now or cost
more (and do more) than what I want. I'd love to gut a Jukebox, put it
in a sturdy aluminum box, add a mic preamp and XLR connectors, but
then I'd have as much time in it as if I bought a Sound Devices or
something.

When I put aside my fears of the mini input plug working loose when
I'm not looking and use decent mics and preamp with it, I'm entirely
satisfied with the recordings I make with it. I just wish it was more
of a pro piece of gear and less like a throw-away music player, but it
isn't.


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In article "Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com writes:

That's great, but you can't get the JB3 any more. I'm leary of buying one
that doesn't have any warranty.

So buy two without a warranty. It's still cheap. And unless you drop
it too far or too often, it's highly unlikely to fail.

Have you, or anyone else, used the original Jukebox or any other
suitable MP3 players with 20 or more gigs of HD space?

Sure, lots of us have. We like it. That's probably why it was
discontinued. Acutally it was discontinued because there really isn't
much interest in live recording at the common folks' price. Most
people were using them to rip CDs with their computers and wondered
why they had to pay extra for recording features that they never used.


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Ron Wiebe wrote:
After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a
Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that
they are no longer available. Is there any other HD based MP3
players that do a good job at recording 44.1 wav files? The original
20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for a good price directly from
Creative. Has anyone used on of these or have any other sugestions?

The Sony Hi-MD walkmans can record and play back in uncompressed PCM format,
or a # of other formats. My buddy's got the $400 model and he loves it. I'm
saving up for one now, myself. I highly suggest you take a look.
---
Splat

Splat wrote:
The Sony Hi-MD walkmans can record and play back in uncompressed PCM
format, or a # of other formats. My buddy's got the $400 model and he
loves it. I'm saving up for one now, myself. I highly suggest you
take a look. ---

Little more info...... The one my buddy has is the MZ-RH10 with the display
and he paid around $300, actually. I've heard recordings he's done and they
are pretty damn good.
---
Splat

Little more info...... The one my buddy has is the MZ-RH10 with the display
and he paid around $300, actually. I've heard recordings he's done and they
are pretty damn good.

I've used ordinary Minidisks -- at 4X compression, in fact -- as "check
recordings" for live mixing, and they sound pretty damn good for
something so cheap and convenient (and so little attention paid to the
mix being fed to them).

On 22 Jul 2005 18:04:30 -0400, (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

I've been looking for a more "professional" replacement ever since I
got a Jukebox 3 to replace my DAT. I'm still looking. The current
options are either no more professional than what I have now or cost
more (and do more) than what I want. I'd love to gut a Jukebox, put it
in a sturdy aluminum box, add a mic preamp and XLR connectors, but
then I'd have as much time in it as if I bought a Sound Devices or
something.

When I put aside my fears of the mini input plug working loose when
I'm not looking and use decent mics and preamp with it, I'm entirely
satisfied with the recordings I make with it. I just wish it was more
of a pro piece of gear and less like a throw-away music player, but it
isn't.

Do I understand correctly that you must be able to touch the
Jukebox 3 to work it? If not, mounting it in a Hammond cast
aluminum box, flying leads to rugged box-mounted jacks, etc.
and generally treating it as if it were a bare hard-drive
might work.

But, if must touch it, then maybe some modification of the
cast box widget idea might help. Maybe a rigid, handholdable,
backplate to which the Jukebox thingy and rugged jacks to
interface it to the outside world are rigidly attached. Maybe
some protection for the connectors to the Jukebox from hand
contact, including immobilizing the jack/plug interface.

Sometime soon, there may be no such thing as "professional"
and "portable" in the same widget. If that's already happened,
hopefully, good workarounds are still possible. At least if
you don't count the cash value of your time cooking one up.

Thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck
"Said 'Hey Baby, did you get that letter?
If you take me back, I'll treat you better.'
Nobody's business but my own,
But my own." -John Hurt

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in
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Do I understand correctly that you must be able to touch
the Jukebox 3 to work it? If not, mounting it in a
Hammond cast aluminum box, flying leads to rugged
box-mounted jacks, etc. and generally treating it as if
it were a bare hard-drive
might work.

There is a wired remote, but I don't know if it is
full-function enough.

Can the JB3 use regular AA batterties as well as the propriatory Lithium Ion
ones?

Ron Wiebe

Joe Kesselman wrote:
I've used ordinary Minidisks -- at 4X compression, in fact -- as
"check recordings" for live mixing, and they sound pretty damn good
for something so cheap and convenient (and so little attention paid
to the mix being fed to them).

Which is why I'm getting one, for band practice recordings, live show
recordings(my band), etc... My buddy uses the SP mode, IIRC, which is light
compression and it sounds really damn good. He always uses PCM if the time
allows. The only thing that sucks, but at least I know about it beforehand,
is you have to redo the manual recording levels each time you record or it
will use the auto-gain feature, which sucks for most live shows. Still a
great unit though.
---
Splat

"Splat" spamspamspamspamSPAAAAAMMMMM! writes:
Ron Wiebe wrote:
After reading several positive reviews on portable recording on a
Jukebox 3, I was looking into getting one. However, it seeems that
they are no longer available. Is there any other HD based MP3
players that do a good job at recording 44.1 wav files? The original
20gig Nomad Jukebox is available for a good price directly from
Creative. Has anyone used on of these or have any other sugestions?

The Sony Hi-MD walkmans can record and play back in uncompressed PCM format,
or a # of other formats. My buddy's got the $400 model and he loves it. I'm
saving up for one now, myself. I highly suggest you take a look.

But can they get uncompressed PCM to the computer in less tan realtime
and without an ADDA conversation? I've never been able to get a
straight answer from anyone on that regarding HiMD stuff, but would
welcome it!

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"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com writes:
Can the JB3 use regular AA batterties as well as the propriatory Lithium Ion
ones?

It can but it sucks juice pretty good. The the LiION's aren't
proprietary (at least they aren't on my NJB)--any aftermarket LiION's
do fine.

I'm not sure what the expected battery life is of a NJB3 is for
recording. I know it's substantially better than the NJB original
though, which can't record more than 20 minutes realistically without
being plugged in. They forgot to cache writes on the original NJB
during recording, but evidently fixed that for the NJB3. I have other
tips for recording with the NJB's on that page at toddh.net/music/njb/



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Todd H. wrote:

But can they get uncompressed PCM to the computer in less tan realtime
and without an ADDA conversation? I've never been able to get a
straight answer from anyone on that regarding HiMD stuff, but would
welcome it!

Yes and yes. The USB transfer time is not blazing fast,
still limited by reading a relatively slow medium, but a few
times better than real time.

Caveat: They play games with how many times you can
digitally upload your own recordings via USB. The second
time, they erase it for you from the disk. What you can do,
however, is perform the second and any subsequent transfers,
should any be necessasary, by playing the recording from the
device with the app that comes with it and recording that in
real time via software like TotalRecorder. This is a bit
perfect transfer method and you can do it as many times as
you wish.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

"Ron Wiebe" ronwiebe (at) gmail.com wrote in message


Can the JB3 use regular AA batterties as well as the
propriatory Lithium Ion ones?

Not internally. There's the usual DC power jack for the
external charger/eliminator, and you can hook up an external
battery pack through it.

In article writes:

Do I understand correctly that you must be able to touch the
Jukebox 3 to work it?

There's some kind of remote for it, but I don't have one and I've
never seen one. I'm sure it doesn't do a lot more than start and stop.

PMI imported a gizmo for a while that was like a docking station for a
Walkman-sized recorder. It had XLR mic connectors going to a pigtail
with a mini plug, more battery power, a full sized headphone jack
(also going to a pigtail to a mini plug) and a place to stick the
recorder down with Velcro. It cost too much, but it was kind of
clever. Still, it doesn't eliminate the mini plugs, it just protects
them a little.

Sometime soon, there may be no such thing as "professional"
and "portable" in the same widget. If that's already happened,
hopefully, good workarounds are still possible. At least if
you don't count the cash value of your time cooking one up.


Well, they keep skating around it. The trouble is that the trend seems
to be toward solid state media (flash memory cards) which can't
compare to the storage capacity and cost per recorded minute of hard
drives. The Marantz PMD?660 looks pretty nice and is priced fairly but
I want to have enough recording capacity so that I don't have to dump
the memory (or have a lot of ca$h invested in short term storage)
immediately after a recording. At a conservative 1 MB per hour (24-bit
44.1 kHz stereo) it would take a few 8 MB flash cards to do a
weekend's worth of recording. When 8 MB flash cards cost $25, I'll
think about it.

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In article znr1122079216k@trad (that's me) writes:

At a conservative 1 MB per hour (24-bit
44.1 kHz stereo) it would take a few 8 MB flash cards to do a
weekend's worth of recording. When 8 MB flash cards cost $25, I'll
think about it.

I of course meant to type GB. But I suppose it's too late to avoid
abuse and embarassment now. Go for it, Phil!



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Bob Cain wrote:

Caveat: They play games with how many times you can
digitally upload your own recordings via USB. The second
time, they erase it for you from the disk.

This is thankfully no longer true in SonicStage version 3.2. Sony
appear to be actually listening to their users. Now if they would only
do away with the need for a software application entirely.

With PCM recording, MP3 support, upload conversion to plain-old WAV
files, and other enhancements, the usability of MD has increased
dramatically over the last year.

-----
robin
noisetheatre.blogspot.com

"robin" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:

Caveat: They play games with how many times you can
digitally upload your own recordings via USB. The second
time, they erase it for you from the disk.

This is thankfully no longer true in SonicStage version 3.2. Sony
appear to be actually listening to their users. Now if they would only
do away with the need for a software application entirely.

With PCM recording, MP3 support, upload conversion to plain-old WAV
files, and other enhancements, the usability of MD has increased
dramatically over the last year.


Does this mean that you can upload via USB as many times as you wish with
any MD recorder if you upgrade the drivers/software?

I am asuming that this is a free download.

Ron Wiebe

I wrote:

This is thankfully no longer true in SonicStage version 3.2. Sony
appear to be actually listening to their users. Now if they would only
do away with the need for a software application entirely.

Ron Wiebe wrote:

Does this mean that you can upload via USB as many times as you wish with
any MD recorder if you upgrade the drivers/software?

I am asuming that this is a free download.

Yes, it is. No drivers change, just the SonicStage application itself.
This works with my Hi-MD recorder but I cannot absolutely say it works
with older generation MD units.

Because the upgrade process to version 3.2 is so tedious, and requires
an internet connection, a helpful minidisc.org member has created a
stand-alone installer that you can get from he

http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=11890

Here's how to make the MD experience a lot nicer.

1. Grab this full installer.
2. Copy it to your MD using regular old drag'n'drop.
3. On any new computer you can transfer the app to the host machine
using drag'n'drop with no software required.
4. Install SonicStage.
5. Use SonicStage to transfer audio files at will.

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