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All your Macs are belong to us...
I have been coveting a 2.7 DP Mac with 30" display for months now,
coming close on a few occasions to ordering. It was only a matter of time, likely sooner than later, that I would have bitten the bullet -- having been a PC owner for life. It's not that I have experienced any PC problems, no moreso than a close friend of mine experiences Mac problems, but the lure of beauty and style integrated into a seamless package have had me secretly lusting for a while now. However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS -- meaning costly software upgrades, immediate obsolescence of currently available hardware with NO software upgrade path for existing PowerMac users, etc -- my lust has waxed cold to the point where I've decided to take my $8,000 and spend it on a dual Xeon workstation and run XP64 instead. What are all you current PMac users feeling, and what are your plans for the future? It's obvious that most developers will immediately cease all development on the PPC platform to switch gears to accomodate the Mactel platform, leaving current hardware owners more or less high and dry as far as future upgrades/updates are concerned. Some may finish late-stage projects, but that's likely it. If you move to a new Mactel, all of your current software is basically useless and you'll need to buy Mactel compatible upgrades. Is this a roadblock, or just a speedbump? Brendan |
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It's a speed bump. All the old software works fine on the machines currently
available so there is no current tradeoff. The big software vendors--Apple, Adobe, Micro$oft, etc. have all agreed to make their software available for both platforms throughout the PPC product cycle and Apple's developer kit lets coders write code that the software translates into code for both platforms automatically. So just about every new release will come out for both PPC and Intel for quite some time. I've got a new G5 and like it. In a couple of years it will be ready for an upgrade (I do that every 2-3 years) and I'll buy the new machine without hesitation. Under Rosetta, a feature in the next MAC OS, all the PPC software will work on the new machines as well. Rosetta works by translating the PPC command set into Intel command sets. It's not an emulator and so there is not that much of a performance hit. This change is going to be much, much more transparent than the change to OSX. Scot Giles On 6/29/05 11:50 AM, in article , "The Horta" wrote: Is this a roadblock, or just a speedbump? Brendan |
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The Horta wrote: I have been coveting a 2.7 DP Mac with 30" display for months now, coming close on a few occasions to ordering. It was only a matter of time, likely sooner than later, that I would have bitten the bullet -- having been a PC owner for life. It's not that I have experienced any PC problems, no moreso than a close friend of mine experiences Mac problems, but the lure of beauty and style integrated into a seamless package have had me secretly lusting for a while now. However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS -- meaning costly software upgrades, immediate obsolescence of currently available hardware with NO software upgrade path for existing PowerMac users, etc -- my lust has waxed cold to the point where I've decided to take my $8,000 and spend it on a dual Xeon workstation and run XP64 instead. What are all you current PMac users feeling, and what are your plans for the future? It's obvious that most developers will immediately cease all development on the PPC platform to switch gears to accomodate the Mactel platform, leaving current hardware owners more or less high and dry as far as future upgrades/updates are concerned. Some may finish late-stage projects, but that's likely it. If you move to a new Mactel, all of your current software is basically useless and you'll need to buy Mactel compatible upgrades. Is this a roadblock, or just a speedbump? Brendan Who cares? If the current Macs do what you need, they will continue to do so. Since Apple is now "owner" of Logic, I assume there will be continuity as far as Logic is concerned at least. FireWire will doubtless continue, so your audio peripherals will continue to work even with the new machines should you choose to migrate later. Somehow I doubt the switch is as sudden as you think. There might just be some thought going into the transition. -Jay [Dual 1.8GHz G5, MOTU 828 II, Logic Express] -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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The Horta wrote in message .. . I have been coveting a 2.7 DP Mac with 30" display for months now, coming close on a few occasions to ordering. It was only a matter of time, likely sooner than later, that I would have bitten the bullet -- having been a PC owner for life. It's not that I have experienced any PC problems, no moreso than a close friend of mine experiences Mac problems, but the lure of beauty and style integrated into a seamless package have had me secretly lusting for a while now. However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS -- meaning costly software upgrades, immediate obsolescence of currently available hardware with NO software upgrade path for existing PowerMac users, etc -- my lust has waxed cold to the point where I've decided to take my $8,000 and spend it on a dual Xeon workstation and run XP64 instead. What are all you current PMac users feeling, and what are your plans for the future? It's obvious that most developers will immediately cease all development on the PPC platform to switch gears to accomodate the Mactel platform, leaving current hardware owners more or less high and dry as far as future upgrades/updates are concerned. Some may finish late-stage projects, but that's likely it. If you move to a new Mactel, all of your current software is basically useless and you'll need to buy Mactel compatible upgrades. Is this a roadblock, or just a speedbump? Brendan I woulden't worry about it my G5 will last me for years to come as it does everything I need it to do.If you are always waiting on the latest greatest thing you will be waiting a long time.Also I woulden't dump a bunch of money into a new 64 bit PC without the proper windows 64 bit operating system even being on the market yet.You may be setting yourself up for a lot of trouble. Get your G5 and don't worry it will do what you need it to do for years to come. Good Luck Troy |
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Rosetta works by translating the PPC command set into Intel command sets.
It's not an emulator and so there is not that much of a performance hit. This change is going to be much, much more transparent than the change to OSX. I bet Apple is working hard on the semantics of whether it's an emulator or not. My vote is that it is, and that there will be a considerable performance hit, but you won't notice since the Mactel's will have twice the CPU power as your previous PMac, and only Logic will take full advantage of the new architachture (but then you're stuck using Logic...). And the transition will be as "transparent" as the introduction of Altivec, which took over 5 years to come into widespread implementation. Remember working on early G4's back when they came out? I recall saying "screw this, gimme my G3 back". |
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how often have you upgraded your PC?
when a newer OS comes out (98, 2000, XP) were you not forced to upgrade your software? I would agree with Jay about what the real time frame will be and say that once I have a stable system, I leave it alone. upgrades are problems with any system. |
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I'm delighted...
After being a wintel owner/user for more than twenty years, I took the plunged and went to a Mac (G4 PB) platform for remote recording and post production mixing and art work. I've been most pleased since making the change in terms of it being a productive package. BUT,... I'm most pleased as to not having an upgrade path (I hope). Why?!?!? I'm simply sick of getting nickeled and dimed with new apps upgrades, more memory, more CPU, more apps, more memory, more CPU, etc. I've one too many machines where just that one more addition pushed what was a solid platform into a mess. However!!!! This ALSO more beans for more mics, more preamps, more mics, a production CD/DVD cloner, more mics, more monitors, more mics, another set of headphones, mor mics, a mic case, more mics, etc... :-) Grumpy old fart in training... vbg Andy |
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In article , The Horta
wrote: However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS You missed Jobs making the announcement, all the time running an Intel powered, large screen iMac running Keynote (Apple's one up on Powerpoint) without telling anyone until an hour into his presentation. No one who likes to stay in computer business releases hardware that uses only brand new apps. If there are no apps, there is nothing or almost nothing to run on the machines - not a very good idea. I'd bet when the first Intel powered Mac ships, some apps will need simple updates, others not. I expect it to be similar to a new rev of OS X. Some apps still run, others need a tweak. We still run a couple Mac apps literally from the mid 80's on our G4's: a long dead version of MacDraw that we use to print track sheets, and AtOnce, an excellent and also long dead accounting program. (Man, that's good code!) I'd also add that the transition from 68k chips to PowerPC was much smoother than anyone anticipated. Software companies had to write apps that worked on both kinds of Macs. They want to sell to as wide a customer base as possible. One downside to these new Intel Macs that don't arrive until next year - they may not run old System 8 and 9 apps in a compatibility mode, as the current OS X allows. Boo hoo. David Correia Celebration Sound Warren, Rhode Island www.CelebrationSound.com |
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The Rev. Dr. C. Scot Giles wrote:
It's a speed bump. All the old software works fine on the machines currently available so there is no current tradeoff. snip You're kidding, right? Cheers, -joe. |
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Andy Eng wrote:
I'm delighted... After being a wintel owner/user for more than twenty years, I took the plunged and went to a Mac (G4 PB) platform for remote recording and post production mixing and art work. I've been most pleased since making the change in terms of it being a productive package. BUT,... I'm most pleased as to not having an upgrade path (I hope). Why?!?!? I'm simply sick of getting nickeled and dimed with new apps upgrades, more memory, more CPU, more apps, more memory, more CPU, etc. I've one too many machines where just that one more addition pushed what was a solid platform into a mess. However!!!! This ALSO more beans for more mics, more preamps, more mics, a production CD/DVD cloner, more mics, more monitors, more mics, another set of headphones, mor mics, a mic case, more mics, etc... :-) Grumpy old fart in training... vbg Andy Indeed. It's like that Jerry Seinfeld routine about how at some point your fashion 'stops': I'm still on OS9/PT 5.2 (well, dual boot, anyway) and have no foreseeable need to 'upgrade' from a mature and stable OS to a new and 'better' one. I rarely, if ever, find I have a compelling reason to open any sessions in OSX/PT 6. The decision not to support OS9 with the G5, while understandable, bums me out nevertheless. On another note - isn't Digidesign developing on Wintel first now and porting to Mac second? If that is correct, that would mean only good things for ProTools users when Apple switches to Intel. Unless.... I am curious: does anyone know if, when they do switch, it will be to x86 Intel (P4 type architecture), or something a bit more 'proprietary' (for lack of a better term)? I assume it will be 64 bit, and probably dual or multi core, but nothing I've read on the subject makes this clear. The thought of installing Windows on a Mac really does my head in. Surely Apple would want to prevent that from being possible? Cheers, -joe. |
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The Horta wrote:
However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS Huh? The whole point of this as I understood it was supposed to be that they can run a Power emulator/JIT on top of the the Intel chip and get adequate speed *without* changing their software... and without impairing their ability to flip back to Power chips in a future generation. (I was also under the impression that they were only switching for the laptops, specifically because they hadn't gotten the heat/performance tradeoff they wanted out of the current generation of Power chips and didn't want to wait before releasing new machines. The desktop systems, as far as I know, are staying on Power processors. Double-check me on this, but if I'm understanding their solution correctly it's not even a speed bump; it's a set of aftermarket shock absorbers. Not as good as the real thing, but it's what was in stock. |
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You're kidding, right?
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Joe Kesselman wrote in
: The Horta wrote: However, with their sudden switch to Intel (with more Mac'ers calling the unholy union "Mactel"), thus rendering just about ALL current applications totally INCOMPATIBLE with the forthcoming machines and OS Huh? The whole point of this as I understood it was supposed to be that they can run a Power emulator/JIT on top of the the Intel chip and get adequate speed *without* changing their software... and without impairing their ability to flip back to Power chips in a future generation. It's for their entire product line, according to Macworld. Also, those same experts claim that emulated apps (Rosetta) are considerably slower then native ones (of course, no surprise there). While it doesn't matter much for Word it will for most other apps, including simple browsing. It's just a Band Aid until their developer community is all on-board. The so-called "experts" don't seem to be that optomistic that the conversion will be so simple and seamless, and for someone like me who is ready to make a move it's a death knell, unfortunately. However, I'm glad I hadn't done it yet, or else I'd be pretty upset that Apple is now going to the processors that I just abandoned. Brendan |
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"dale" wrote in message oups.com... how often have you upgraded your PC? when a newer OS comes out (98, 2000, XP) were you not forced to upgrade your software? I would agree with Jay about what the real time frame will be and say that once I have a stable system, I leave it alone. upgrades are problems with any system. Dale: To answer the question, I just upgraded my home PC to an Athlon64. Last upgrade was 4 1/2 years ago to a 1 MHz Athlon. Before that, a 166 Mhz Pentium. All have been perfectly useable machines, and all worked with the latest and greatest software. As for software, I've kept up. Let's see. Over the last 10 years, I've had to upgrade twice. From Win95 to Win98SE. Then from Win98SE to XP. On my Mac G4 at work, which I've had for 4 years, I've upgraded from OS9 to OS10.1 (Jaguar?), then to OS10.2 (Panther?), and now to Tiger (Tiger). So, I've gotten the same number of upgrades on my Mac that took four upgrades as I had to do on my PC that took a decade. The upgrades on the Mac have not been without trouble. Upgrading from OS9 to OS10 required purchasing all new software. Running OS9 in "classic mode" was not a panacea because that required considerable startup time and did not allow crosscompatibility with my OS10 apps. On the other hand, on my PC, I could still run my Win98 versions of software without any noticeable degradation in performance, nor did I have to run some Win98 emulator. Having used both, I daresay I'm not terribly happy with the announcement of the Intel replacement for the PowerPC. I was planning on purchasing a new G5 to update my older G4. But, what's the point? In a year from now, I will have to upgrade all of my software to be compatible with the next OS with native x86 code. I don't relish that thought. Craig |
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"Joe Mama" wrote in message
... Andy Eng wrote: I'm delighted... After being a wintel owner/user for more than twenty years, I took the plunged and went to a Mac (G4 PB) platform for remote recording and post production mixing and art work. I've been most pleased since making the change in terms of it being a productive package. BUT,... I'm most pleased as to not having an upgrade path (I hope). Why?!?!? I'm simply sick of getting nickeled and dimed with new apps upgrades, more memory, more CPU, more apps, more memory, more CPU, etc. I've one too many machines where just that one more addition pushed what was a solid platform into a mess. However!!!! This ALSO more beans for more mics, more preamps, more mics, a production CD/DVD cloner, more mics, more monitors, more mics, another set of headphones, mor mics, a mic case, more mics, etc... :-) Grumpy old fart in training... vbg Andy Indeed. It's like that Jerry Seinfeld routine about how at some point your fashion 'stops': I'm still on OS9/PT 5.2 (well, dual boot, anyway) and have no foreseeable need to 'upgrade' from a mature and stable OS to a new and 'better' one. I rarely, if ever, find I have a compelling reason to open any sessions in OSX/PT 6. The decision not to support OS9 with the G5, while understandable, bums me out nevertheless. On another note - isn't Digidesign developing on Wintel first now and porting to Mac second? If that is correct, that would mean only good things for ProTools users when Apple switches to Intel. Unless.... I am curious: does anyone know if, when they do switch, it will be to x86 Intel (P4 type architecture), or something a bit more 'proprietary' (for lack of a better term)? I assume it will be 64 bit, and probably dual or multi core, but nothing I've read on the subject makes this clear. The thought of installing Windows on a Mac really does my head in. Surely Apple would want to prevent that from being possible? Cheers, -joe. I don't know the specifics, but my understanding from Steve Job's presentation was that they've been running OSX from the start on x86 machines. I assume they mean run of the mill Pentiums and Athlons. But, you can bet that they will come up with their own proprietary bios and MB architecture so that, while their "Mactels" will support dual-boot Windows XP64, you won't be able to run retail versions of their OS (whatever feline name it will inherit) on a Dell/Gateway/HP machine. Craig |
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In article ,
(The Horta) wrote: It's for their entire product line, according to Macworld. Also, those same experts claim that emulated apps (Rosetta) are considerably slower then native ones (of course, no surprise there). While it doesn't matter much for Word it will for most other apps, including simple browsing. It's just a Band Aid until their developer community is all on-board. Developers who're using Xcode are climbing on board. Some have already released 'Universal Binary' versions of existing applications or utilities (sorry I called it 'Dual Binary' in an earlier post, but 'Universal Binary' is the Apple term). OK nothing huge yet, http://ipsp.kaisakura.com/homebrew.php is one tiny example, but it *is* starting to happen already, and this when production MacIntel hardware (stuff that you and I can actually buy) isn't due to ship until 2006. |
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Joe Kesselman wrote:
You're kidding, right? No. OS 9? |
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"dale" wrote in message oups.com... "The upgrades on the Mac have not been without trouble. Upgrading from OS9 to OS10 required purchasing all new software. Running OS9 in "classic mode" was not a panacea because that required considerable startup time and did not allow crosscompatibility with my OS10 apps" so why did you upgrade? you skipped win 2000, why? just because they offer better hubcaps doesn't mean that you "must" buy! if it is working right leave it alone! why are you running tiger? having just been released most software (audio) is just catching up. and as you point point out, these upgrades are a real pain to deal with! I skipped Win2K because I knew XP was at hand. Around that time, it was suggested that home users go with Win2K, pro apps for XP. I figured that XP must be more robust, and decided to go this direction. No such option was available for the Mac. The reason I have been continually upgrading the Mac OS is because I've been struggling to get a stable OS. I'm fairly happy with Tiger because I think I've finally gotten a stable platform. But, considering the incremental advances in each version of OSX, I'm a little miffed. Look, I'm neither a Mac or Win fanatic. I like both and think they are becoming very much like each other. But, if you consider the fact that XP has been on my computer for four years without having to pay for an upgrade, whereas I've had to purchase three upgrades in the same period of time for my Mac, you can see why I'm a little miffed. As for XP, that OS has been updated on an as needed basis for free. My OSX also upgrades itself when needed, but major upgrades have cost me money. Out of curiosity, which version of the Mac OS are you running on your computer? Which versions did YOU opt to upgrade? One other beef about Macs... ever since the first PCI slot Macs have been out, Apple has touted cross-platform compatibility with peripherals. Most of the time, this works okay. But there have been several times where I've purchased something that is supposed to be cross-platform compatible, only to find out that Mac has some proprietary way of doing things. An example is my Princeton 19" LCD monitor. When I purchased my Mac G4 tower, it came with an nVidia graphics card with a DVI output. My monitor also came with a DVI connection, as well as a standard VGA connection. When I tried to plug in my monitor, I found that Mac's version of the DVI connector is different than the standard DVI connector. So, I have to run my monitor off the VGA. It's not that big of a deal, but an example of the frustration. Apple has done much to advance desktop computing, having introduced much technology like FireWire. But, I get the sense that their insistence on controlling the software and hardware environment so closely limits their acceptance in the general marketplace. YMMV, just my thoughts. At times, I love my Mac and curse my PC. Most of the time, I'm cool with both. But, Macs are more expensive to own. Period. Craig |
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I am running 10.2 on my audio partition
10.3 is on a my general purposes partition, I am considering an upgrade to 10.4 as it has aggriated audio device capacity. Metric Halo has just issued drivers and beta software for10.4. (TC Electronics has also issued a 10.4 patch for spark xl. ) |
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"Troy" wrote in message news:wHBwe.1828569$6l.581899@pd7tw2no... I woulden't worry about it my G5 will last me for years to come as it does everything I need it to do.If you are always waiting on the latest greatest thing you will be waiting a long time.Also I woulden't dump a bunch of money into a new 64 bit PC without the proper windows 64 bit operating system even being on the market yet.You may be setting yourself up for a lot of trouble. You don't get out much do you? Windows XP 64-bit edition is now commercially available. I've got it running on an Athlon64 PC right now. Bill. |
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"dale" wrote in message oups.com... I am running 10.2 on my audio partition 10.3 is on a my general purposes partition, I am considering an upgrade to 10.4 as it has aggriated audio device capacity. Metric Halo has just issued drivers and beta software for10.4. (TC Electronics has also issued a 10.4 patch for spark xl. ) Okay, so you too then have opted to purchase at least three versions of MacOS (including the one that shipped with your computer) since OSX was introduced 4 years ago. In the same time, there has been only one version of XP that I've had to purchase. Craig |
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"David Morton" wrote in message . uk... In article qfUwe.3739$Qo.3312@fed1read01, (CeeDub) wrote: When I purchased my Mac G4 tower, it came with an nVidia graphics card with a DVI output. My monitor also came with a DVI connection, as well as a standard VGA connection. When I tried to plug in my monitor, I found that Mac's version of the DVI connector is different than the standard DVI connector. So, I have to run my monitor off the VGA. You don't say exactly which G4/nVidia combo it is, but isn't this incompatibility because it's actually an ADC connector rather than standard DVI? In which case you could connect it to your standard DVI monitor with one of the Dr Bott ADC-DVI adaptors? This one: http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=0123-ADE2 and then you would be staying in the digital domain rather than converting to analogue VGA, which will probably improve your picture quality. I do this on my G5 - which has one ADC connector and one standard DVI connector - so I can run two Iiyama TFTs each of which has a standard DVI input. David: Yeah, its the ADC adapter. When I purchased the G4, I asked that it be DVI compatible, since I'd been eyeing those nice LCD monitors. Craig |
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In article , Joe Mama
wrote: The thought of installing Windows on a Mac really does my head in. Surely Apple would want to prevent that from being possible? Apple is gonna make sure you can install Windows on these Intel Macs. The company is acting like they won't be the one to sell it to you, tho. But you won't be able to install OS X on your non-Apple Intel boxes. I guess Microsoft's purchase of and crappy ugrades to Virtual PC won't be going much further. I think it's a very smart move on Jobs' part. You wanna run Windows? No problem. Buy a Mac. Some people believe that Jobs wants people to compare both OS's on the same machine, cuz of Jobs' belief that OS X will be considerably better and faster than whatever Gates' Longhorn finally ends up being released next year. Kinda ballsey, eh? It'll also be interesting to watch the hacker world try to make OS X load and work on a standard PC. In this game of cops and robbers, will the hackers be smarter than whatever Apple comes up with to prevent it?? David Correia Celebration Sound Warren, Rhode Island www.CelebrationSound.com |
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what about the weekly 'patches''?
cheers, Bob "CeeDub" schreef in bericht news:vO0xe.3772$Qo.3106@fed1read01... "dale" wrote in message oups.com... I am running 10.2 on my audio partition 10.3 is on a my general purposes partition, I am considering an upgrade to 10.4 as it has aggriated audio device capacity. Metric Halo has just issued drivers and beta software for10.4. (TC Electronics has also issued a 10.4 patch for spark xl. ) Okay, so you too then have opted to purchase at least three versions of MacOS (including the one that shipped with your computer) since OSX was introduced 4 years ago. In the same time, there has been only one version of XP that I've had to purchase. Craig |
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david wrote:
Some people believe that Jobs wants people to compare both OS's on the same machine, cuz of Jobs' belief that OS X will be considerably better and faster than whatever Gates' Longhorn finally ends up being released next year. Kinda ballsey, eh? It'll also be interesting to watch the hacker world try to make OS X load and work on a standard PC. In this game of cops and robbers, will the hackers be smarter than whatever Apple comes up with to prevent it?? It may also have to do with "trusted computing"; hardware level "protection" which means a movie or an mp3 won't run unless you've paid for it.- or an MS Word document won't open in OpenOffice. Scary stuff. Intel is big in this. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html Hans -- This is a non-profit organization; we didn't plan it that way, but it is ===================================== (remove uppercase trap, and double the number to reply) |
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"Bob" wrote in
: what about the weekly 'patches''? cheers, Bob PATCHES?! We don't need no stinkin' patches! |
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I relish the thought of everything you say being true. I would
DEFINITELY buy a new Mac that could dual-boot both OSes natively -- the best of both worlds. I don't think I could live without my weekly "Windows Update" security and bug fix. It's an embarrassing addiction. Brendan david wrote in : In article , Joe Mama wrote: The thought of installing Windows on a Mac really does my head in. Surely Apple would want to prevent that from being possible? Apple is gonna make sure you can install Windows on these Intel Macs. The company is acting like they won't be the one to sell it to you, tho. But you won't be able to install OS X on your non-Apple Intel boxes. I guess Microsoft's purchase of and crappy ugrades to Virtual PC won't be going much further. I think it's a very smart move on Jobs' part. You wanna run Windows? No problem. Buy a Mac. Some people believe that Jobs wants people to compare both OS's on the same machine, cuz of Jobs' belief that OS X will be considerably better and faster than whatever Gates' Longhorn finally ends up being released next year. Kinda ballsey, eh? It'll also be interesting to watch the hacker world try to make OS X load and work on a standard PC. In this game of cops and robbers, will the hackers be smarter than whatever Apple comes up with to prevent it?? |
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no I have opted to purchase one.
it came with one and my univesity has a purchase plan with apple cost for me is for the media only. I have had no virus problems I have had no security problems |
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Bill Ruys wrote in message ... "Troy" wrote in message news:wHBwe.1828569$6l.581899@pd7tw2no... I woulden't worry about it my G5 will last me for years to come as it does everything I need it to do.If you are always waiting on the latest greatest thing you will be waiting a long time.Also I woulden't dump a bunch of money into a new 64 bit PC without the proper windows 64 bit operating system even being on the market yet.You may be setting yourself up for a lot of trouble. You don't get out much do you? Windows XP 64-bit edition is now commercially available. I've got it running on an Athlon64 PC right now. Bill. I am well aware of that Bill......as I said a "proper" 64 bit OS.XP 64 bit is just re hashed I was refering to Longhorn |
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