I think crossposting is in the rap charter? Doesn't it say 'if you have a
really dumb thread, crosspost it to at least one irrelevant newsgroup.' I
think it says that specifically.

jb


"Sean" wrote in message
...
Who has had it up to my ears with all of this Linux bull crap?
Exactly what is it with these so called Linux advocates?
To me, most of them seem one brick short of a full load!
Is this some kind of religious movement or something or is it just a
collection of zealots way out of control?
They seem to be showing up in just about every group preaching their lies.

So Linux is free?
Big friggin deal!
My TIME is NOT free and I simply don't have the time to debug alpha
quality software and no I am not Pixar who has the staff to develop their
own in house Linux software.
Good for them.
Tell me where I can purchase Pixar software.

I suppose none of them need to access www.verizionwireless.com and pay
their bill.

Maybe none of them need tools like Nuendo or Protools, neither of which
run under Linux.
Oh yea Linux has Audacity (appropriate name) and Ardour, both of which
suck.
The we have Jack (Another great name that fits).
What a mess.
So what sound server are we using today Linux fool?
Arts?
OSS?
Alsa?
Gstreamer?
ESS?

Why so MANY?
And why do some applications demand one or another?
Amarok for example....
Jukbox for another.

A total mess.


Personally, I feel the absolute worst press Linux is getting is from the
user base because most of them seem to be socialist geeks out of touch
with reality and life in general.
They want everything to be free.
Well and good until the world economy collapses.

Seems John Dvorak agrees with me.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1816439,00.asp

A word to the wise, Linux community, back off because you are simply
****ing people off with your lies and deception.
You are certainly not winning any converts, that's a fact.

I have not met a single person that has stuck with Linux for more than a
few days or so.
Why?
Because they already own Windows and all the applications and they soon
discover that Linux does nothing well except consume their time.

Sean

Sean wrote:

You are a bald faced LIAR because you seem to be THE ONLY PERSON who can
PAY, not SEE, but PAY, their bill ONLINE using something other than
Internet Explorer or Safari.

- and what has this to do with Linux?

Bill

"Ricky Hunt" wrote in message
news:6CYje.27513$WG.11951@attbi_s22...
"Jeff_Relf" wrote in message
...

Hi Jim, John_Bailo, Robert and Sean, Jim wrote:
I listen to bands like Boston, Queensryche, GnR,
Chicago, and can actually appreciate " real " music ( go ahead,
laugh ).

To me, this synthesiser junk isn't music, it's masturbation,
and it's sending my late i-Gen kids
( 8 and 11 the older two, the younger two are 4 and 2
- what does that make 'em? Anyone ? ) blind.


Congratulations. The transformation into your parents is complete.


People have been making 'synth junk' for a long time, since this guy was
brand new. It's been popular for almost as long. What the hell is 'Like A
Virgin' or Human League? He just likes what he likes - four or five dudes
playing electric, not electronic instruments, with a big ol' drum kit in the
middle. That's fine, he just needs not to **** out of his mouth so much.

As far as people not liking music, sure they like it, it's just that when
they go to Best Buy there are all kinds of non-music shiny round discs that
they can buy, and they choose music sometimes and games or DVD's sometimes.
People still love the shiny discs more than ever, much more than they loved
black vinyl discs, cassettes, videotapes, or game cartridges. Add up the
sales of games, software, CD's, and DVD's and it's pretty evident that media
as a whole is bigger than ever, as long as it's on a shiny silver disc. It's
just that people don't always buy the music discs, especially when a movie
can cost less, and games cost so much that there's no money left to buy a
CD.

jb

Geoff Wood wrote:
"Masked Slacker" wrote in message


So Linux is free?
Big friggin deal!

It is for us students who live mostly hand-to-mouth.


Why not just steal *real* music applications like the other 'students' ?

The OS platform is irrelevant.

geoff



I don't use music apps. I'm a physics student. I mostly write my own
for my work. OS platform is not irrelevant.

And i don't like stealing software. Its called ethics.

begin risky.vbs
,
Masked Slacker writes:
Geoff Wood wrote:
"Masked Slacker" wrote in message

So Linux is free?
Big friggin deal!

It is for us students who live mostly hand-to-mouth.

Why not just steal *real* music applications like the other 'students' ?

The OS platform is irrelevant.

geoff

I don't use music apps. I'm a physics student. I mostly write my
own for my work. OS platform is not irrelevant.

And i don't like stealing software. Its called ethics.

Funny how the wintrolls go on and on about Linux and OSS being free
and that is the only reason we use it but they are the first to
suggest stealing SW and even giving links to warez sights on
occasions. They also go on and on about never actuallly buying MS
SW. Seems to me the wintrolls are the cheapskates and very lacking in
ethical values.

Hi John_Bailo, You imagined: The difference is clear.
You don't want money... so you don't work. ( Gen X )
They want money, but they don't want to work for it. ( Gen-i )

You obviously are Not talking to the same kids that I am.
Shayla, 17, told me today that she doesn't ever want money,
she also never wants to pay taxes, as they money might be used for wars.

She's part Gypsy, of Romanian extraction.

She has no idea what a budget is for,
she's been homeless for a couple years now, not working,
always spending money as soon as she gets it.

She's from Boston, her mom kicked her out or something like that.
She hitchhiked to Seattle on a pure whim.

She's Ethan's homegirl, Ethan is my housemate,
but the relationship has cooled a bit.
Shayla had a miscarraige after drinking a bunch of Scotch.

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On Sat, 21 May 2005 23:19:47 -0400,
Sean wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2005 03:03:48 +0000, Liam Slider wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2005 22:59:40 -0400, Sean wrote:

You are a bald faced LIAR because you seem to be THE ONLY PERSON who can
PAY, not SEE, but PAY, their bill ONLINE using something other than
Internet Explorer or Safari.

You know Safari is based on a web browser developed for Linux right?

Nice try....
Lotus Notes is made up of 1's and 0's just like every other program....

Can YOU USE SAFARI UNDER LINUX?


yes
http://www.maconlinux.org

IOW, IF you are USING LINUX, HOW do you PAY YOUR verizonwireless bill?

HOW?
HOW?
HOW?

Konqueror?
NOPE!
Fire****S?
Nope..
Mozilla?
NOPE
Galeon?
Nope...
Hey maybe you can use that text browser, what's it's name again?
EMACS?

I suppose you could, but I haven't tried. I don't know if my bank's web
portal requires javascript or not. But it works fine with FF.



Notice the Linux KOOK sidestepping.....

The largest wireless company in the USA doesn't work with anything other
than IE.......
Good luck Linux LOSERS.

http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/01...-hates-firefox


Why would I have to go there to pay the bill? I do that through the
bank. Do you honestly give your CC or bank account info to all the
places you pay online bills to? Doesn't your bank handle that sort of
thing from their end? I just enter the info at the banks website, and
they handle it from there.

You mean you go to each individual place and dela with them piece meal?
how... 1990's of you.


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--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Unix has security which has been tested by conniving, unscrupulous
college students over generations.

Sean poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:

Who has had it up to my ears with all of this Linux bull crap?

Stick a sock in it.

Oh! You did already. A sock puppet, that is.

And stop bothering these audio pros.

Sean wrote:

Who has had it up to my ears with all of this Linux bull crap?

*plonk*

on May 21, 9:59 pm Roy Culley wrote:

on May 21, 9:43 pm : Sean octopussy_studios wrote:
Who has had it up to my ears with all of this ...
You are more pitiful than even Funkenbusch.

It's like watching your crazy uncle at a wedding. Funny sad and
extremely embarrassing, all at the same time. Flattie is also having
difficulties thinking up prurient aliases, `masked slacker' very very
weak, so I have a suggestion. Lets have a contest to think up the
best/worst flatfish alias. Remember it has to spell or sound like parts
of the anatomy or some obscene sexual perversion.

ps: Is `masker slacker' a reference to a S & M enthusiast who's too
lazy to whip him/her self. Or does it have to ware a mask whilst
****ing Goats .
------

Sean 69.114.213.124 cv.net
Hymen 69.114.215.70 cv.net
Ivan Mctavish 69.114.208.204 cv.net
Sammy Lister (troll cocoon?) 69.114.210.24 cv.net
kaptain kaput 69.114.215.219
Phillip Cornwall 69.114.215.219 cv.net
flatfish and Walter Bubniak 69.114.221.105 cv.net
flatfish 69.114.222.42 cv.net

-----

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Who has had it up to my ears with all of this Linux bull crap? Exactly
what is it with these so called Linux advocates? To me, most of them
seem one brick short of a full load! Is this some kind of religious
movement or something or is it just a collection of zealots way out of
control? They seem to be showing up in just about every group preaching
their lies.

So Linux is free? Big friggin deal! My TIME is NOT free and I simply
don't have the time to debug alpha quality software and no I am not
Pixar who has the staff to develop their own in house Linux software.
Good for them. Tell me where I can purchase Pixar software.

I suppose none of them need to access www.verizionwireless.com and pay
their bill. Maybe none of them need tools like Nuendo or Protools,
neither of which run under Linux. Oh yea Linux has Audacity
(appropriate name) and Ardour, both of which
suck. The we have Jack (Another great name that fits). What a mess. So
what sound server are we using today Linux fool? Arts?
OSS? Alsa? Gstreamer? ESS?

Why so MANY? And why do some applications demand one or another? Amarok
for example.... Jukbox for another.

A total mess.


Personally, I feel the absolute worst press Linux is getting is from
the user base because most of them seem to be socialist geeks out of
touch with reality and life in general. They want everything to be
free. Well and good until the world economy collapses.

Seems John Dvorak agrees with me.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1816439,00.asp

A word to the wise, Linux community, back off because you are simply
****ing people off with your lies and deception. You are certainly not
winning any converts, that's a fact.

I have not met a single person that has stuck with Linux for more than
a few days or so. Why? Because they already own Windows and all the
applications and they soon discover that Linux does nothing well except
consume their time.

Sean

Sean wrote:

It's just like the college kid who is using OpenOffice and submits his
paper and his professor can't read it because the prof is using MSOffice
and OO doesn't translate well.

No-one in their right mind should submit anything in Word DOC format. Just a
simple version change can make it unreadable.

Rich text format does everything most sensible ppl need and the files are a *lot*
smaller.

I've seen some software companies refuse to accept CVs / resumes in DOC format
btw.

Graham

On 2005-05-22, Sean wrote:
Who has had it up to my ears with all of this Linux bull crap?
Exactly what is it with these so called Linux advocates?
To me, most of them seem one brick short of a full load!
Is this some kind of religious movement or something or is it just a
collection of zealots way out of control?
They seem to be showing up in just about every group preaching their lies.

So Linux is free?
Big friggin deal!
My TIME is NOT free and I simply don't have the time to debug alpha

This is most likely completely false.

Assuming you aren't just the typical grade of proletariat, then the
only value your time would have is opportunity cost. The actual monetary value
of your time would be eliminated by the fact that you don't get paid for any
more hours spent working.

Even if you don't assume that, there is still the problem of finding
a willing consumer of your random free time. Here you would likely be at the
mercy of the usual oversupply of labor. So, even if you were willing to work
more you would not get the opportunity.

quality software and no I am not Pixar who has the staff to develop their
own in house Linux software.
Good for them.
Tell me where I can purchase Pixar software.

I suppose none of them need to access www.verizionwireless.com and pay
their bill.

If you can't access Verizon Wireless to pay your bill under Linux
then Verizon is exposing you to an unacceptable security risk.

[deletia]

--
The best OS in the world is ultimately useless |||
if it is controlled by a Tramiel, Jobs or Gates. / | \

"Jeff_Relf" wrote in message
...

Hi John_Bailo, You imagined: The difference is clear.
You don't want money... so you don't work. ( Gen X )
They want money, but they don't want to work for it. ( Gen-i )

You obviously are Not talking to the same kids that I am.
Shayla, 17, told me today that she doesn't ever want money,
she also never wants to pay taxes, as they money might be used for wars.

She's part Gypsy, of Romanian extraction.

She has no idea what a budget is for,
she's been homeless for a couple years now, not working,
always spending money as soon as she gets it.

She's from Boston, her mom kicked her out or something like that.
She hitchhiked to Seattle on a pure whim.

She's Ethan's homegirl, Ethan is my housemate,
but the relationship has cooled a bit.
Shayla had a miscarraige after drinking a bunch of Scotch.


I know some gen-xers that have been making between 70-100k a year since the
tech boom started - and on into the bust. They are all very original
thinkers.

jb

reddred wrote:


I know some gen-xers that have been making between 70-100k a year since the
tech boom started - and on into the bust. They are all very original
thinkers.

GenX has the cyber punk attitude towards the system.

It realizes that it's unfixable; therefore, any extraction of benefit
from it is acceptable. There is no Hippie notion of /selling/ /out/,
nor is there a craving for money either. It's known that the outcomes
of jobs, money, income are unpredictable.


--
Texeme
http://texeme.com

Jeff_Relf wrote:

I rate each and every song based on it's individual merits, and nothing else.

For those about to rock, we salute you!


--
Texeme
http://texeme.com

"John Bailo" wrote in message
...
reddred wrote:


I know some gen-xers that have been making between 70-100k a year since
the
tech boom started - and on into the bust. They are all very original
thinkers.

GenX has the cyber punk attitude towards the system.

It realizes that it's unfixable; therefore, any extraction of benefit
from it is acceptable. There is no Hippie notion of /selling/ /out/,
nor is there a craving for money either. It's known that the outcomes
of jobs, money, income are unpredictable.


Who says? That's like pretending that all baby-boomers are/were hippies.
Boomers are/were the vanguard of the ultra-materialist religious right as
well.

Thinking in terms of generational conflict is inherently naive. At this
point, the whole issue is nothing more than ad copy. What you don't get is
that the whole concept of 'generation' only exists to cycle products and
brands - and the people that sell that to you are members of the 'old'
generations you criticize. If you work hard, someday you can sell things to
bored kids too, who think everything you show them is new just because
they've never seen it before.

jb

reddred wrote:

Thinking in terms of generational conflict is inherently naive. At this
point, the whole issue is nothing more than ad copy. What you don't get is
that the whole concept of 'generation' only exists to cycle products and
brands - and the people that sell that to you are members of the 'old'
generations you criticize. If you work hard, someday you can sell things to
bored kids too, who think everything you show them is new just because
they've never seen it before.


_Commodify Your Dissent_...

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message
. ..
reddred wrote:

Thinking in terms of generational conflict is inherently naive. At this
point, the whole issue is nothing more than ad copy. What you don't get
is
that the whole concept of 'generation' only exists to cycle products and
brands - and the people that sell that to you are members of the 'old'
generations you criticize. If you work hard, someday you can sell things
to
bored kids too, who think everything you show them is new just because
they've never seen it before.


_Commodify Your Dissent_...


The book? That looks like a pretty good read.

jb

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Sean" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2005 03:03:48 +0000, Liam Slider wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2005 22:59:40 -0400, Sean wrote:

You are a bald faced LIAR because you seem to be THE ONLY PERSON who
can
PAY, not SEE, but PAY, their bill ONLINE using something other than
Internet Explorer or Safari.

You know Safari is based on a web browser developed for Linux right?

Nice try....
Lotus Notes is made up of 1's and 0's just like every other program....

Can YOU USE SAFARI UNDER LINUX?

IOW, IF you are USING LINUX, HOW do you PAY YOUR verizonwireless bill?

HOW?
HOW?
HOW?

Konqueror?
NOPE!
Fire****S?
Nope..
Mozilla?
NOPE
Galeon?
Nope...

Hey maybe you can use that text browser, what's it's name again?
EMACS?


Notice the Linux KOOK sidestepping.....

The largest wireless company in the USA doesn't work with anything other
than IE.......
Good luck Linux LOSERS.

http://www.adammessinger.com/2005/01...-hates-firefox


Its very odd that I have no problem using the Verizon pay online site with
Firefox then, wouldn't you say?

Kier wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 23:19:47 -0400, Sean wrote:


On Sun, 22 May 2005 03:03:48 +0000, Liam Slider wrote:


On Sat, 21 May 2005 22:59:40 -0400, Sean wrote:


You are a bald faced LIAR because you seem to be THE ONLY PERSON who can
PAY, not SEE, but PAY, their bill ONLINE using something other than
Internet Explorer or Safari.

You know Safari is based on a web browser developed for Linux right?

Nice try....
Lotus Notes is made up of 1's and 0's just like every other program....


And your point is?


Can YOU USE SAFARI UNDER LINUX?


Quite possibly.


IOW, IF you are USING LINUX, HOW do you PAY YOUR verizonwireless bill?

HOW?
HOW?
HOW?


Dunno. Don't care.


Konqueror?
NOPE!
Fire****S?


You can't spell Firefox? Dimwit.


Nope..
Mozilla?
NOPE
Galeon?
Nope...


And? Blame Microsoft, and the companies that assume everyone uses
their insecure products.


Hey maybe you can use that text browser, what's it's name again?
EMACS?


EMACS is an *editor*, dimwit.



Notice the Linux KOOK sidestepping.....


Sorry, no such animal.


The largest wireless company in the USA doesn't work with anything other
than IE.......


And this is Linux's fault how?


Good luck Linux LOSERS.


I'm not a loser. Verizon is, because it will lose customers. Many more
people are switching to Firefox these days.

I am using Firefox under Windows. I guess I need to switch O/S's since
an application won't work on Verizon's website. I REFUSE to use IE and
OE. When Firefox won't display video on MSN.com, I REFUSE to accomodate
them since they can't code their website to accomodate me -- I look
elsewhere.

robert wrote:
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Sean wrote:


Maybe none of them need tools like Nuendo or Protools, neither of which
run under Linux.
Oh yea Linux has Audacity (appropriate name) and Ardour, both of which
suck.
The we have Jack (Another great name that fits).
What a mess.
So what sound server are we using today Linux fool?
Arts?
OSS?
Alsa?
Gstreamer?
ESS?

Why so MANY?
And why do some applications demand one or another?
Amarok for example....
Jukbox for another.

A total mess.




Who cares what an audio geek thinks?
Audio geeks should spend more time telling today's crop of "performers" that
they HAVE NO ****ING TALENT and less time *processing* their crap.

I'd rather listen to the Beatles on AM than any of today's **** even
on Bill Gates' hifi.

All of you teenagers and 20-somethings who are thinking of a musical career:
PLEASE DON'T DO IT. YOU SUCK AT MUSIC. STICK TO CELL PHONES.



Personally, I feel the absolute worst press Linux is getting is from the
user base because most of them seem to be socialist geeks out of touch
with reality and life in general.
They want everything to be free.
Well and good until the world economy collapses.

Seems John Dvorak agrees with me.



I think this says it all:

"Dvorak's Guide to OS/2, Version 2.1 w/disk : Learn to Navigate the
Operating System of the Future
by JOHN C. DVORAK"


Comes w/ betamax video for advanced features.