Subject says it all, but I will elaborate. For the uninitiated,
Jeskola Buzz
is free music software that features the most intuitive system I have
ever
seen: On a 2d window, there's a single box in the middle designated as
"output". You make a box, like "piano". You make another box, like
"reverb". Connect "piano" to "reverb", connect "reverb" to "output",
and
voila. You get a reverberating piano from the output. Sequences of
keystrokes or reverb settings modifications can be laid out and
finetuned
through a "mod tracker"-like interface.

The problem? The source code for the software was lost years ago, and
near
as I can tell, nobody even to this day has bitten the bullet and given
the
software a proper recoding / replacement. The consequence? Massive
instability. In fact, I never was able to get the software to run for
more
than about ten minutes straight, and many effects would generate
artifacts
that they simply did not generate in other software like Cubase.
Frankly,
those are major detractions from any impulse to do any composing.

But this doesn't change the fact that the "machines" layout, which is
breathtakingly, forehead-slap-inducingly intuitive, is the best
possible
solution to the problem of juggling samples, synths and effects, and
when
I turn around and contemplate the comparatively dubious prospect of
dealing
with Reason's "racks" or (*SHUDDER*) the monstrosity that is Cubase's
solution, I just get cold feet.

So all I'm really wondering is: Have any alternatives come along which
feature something similar to (or, heck, a blatant ripoff of) Buzz'
"machines" layout? I would even be willing to deal with a non-tracker
(ie, not-easily-finetuneable) sequencer.. even something like
Cubase's..
if I could have a "machines" layout in a stable, professional package
that
gets updated / bugfixed regularly.

Thanks for reading!

"Fredas" wrote in message
oups.com...
Subject says it all, but I will elaborate. For the uninitiated,
Jeskola Buzz
is free music software that features the most intuitive system I have
ever
seen: On a 2d window, there's a single box in the middle designated as
"output". You make a box, like "piano". You make another box, like
"reverb". Connect "piano" to "reverb", connect "reverb" to "output",
and
voila. You get a reverberating piano from the output. Sequences of

I think Mackie's Traction software works like that. It's worth learning the
other way though (like Cubase and most others). This is one of the bad
things about people who have used DAW only. They never learned even the most
basic principles like signal routing.

Fredas wrote:
Subject says it all, but I will elaborate. For the uninitiated,
Jeskola Buzz
is free music software that features the most intuitive system I have
ever
seen: On a 2d window, there's a single box in the middle designated
as
"output". You make a box, like "piano". You make another box, like
"reverb". Connect "piano" to "reverb", connect "reverb" to "output",
and
voila. You get a reverberating piano from the output. Sequences of
keystrokes or reverb settings modifications can be laid out and
finetuned
through a "mod tracker"-like interface.

The problem? The source code for the software was lost years ago,
and
near
as I can tell, nobody even to this day has bitten the bullet and
given
the
software a proper recoding / replacement. The consequence? Massive
instability. In fact, I never was able to get the software to run
for
more
than about ten minutes straight, and many effects would generate
artifacts
that they simply did not generate in other software like Cubase.
Frankly,
those are major detractions from any impulse to do any composing.

But this doesn't change the fact that the "machines" layout, which is
breathtakingly, forehead-slap-inducingly intuitive, is the best
possible
solution to the problem of juggling samples, synths and effects, and
when
I turn around and contemplate the comparatively dubious prospect of
dealing
with Reason's "racks" or (*SHUDDER*) the monstrosity that is Cubase's
solution, I just get cold feet.

So all I'm really wondering is: Have any alternatives come along
which
feature something similar to (or, heck, a blatant ripoff of) Buzz'
"machines" layout? I would even be willing to deal with a
non-tracker
(ie, not-easily-finetuneable) sequencer.. even something like
Cubase's..
if I could have a "machines" layout in a stable, professional package
that
gets updated / bugfixed regularly.

Thanks for reading!

Fredas wrote:

So all I'm really wondering is: Have any alternatives come along which
feature something similar to (or, heck, a blatant ripoff of) Buzz'

AudioMulch, Bidule, Max/MSP, PureData, Mustig, Synthedit.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Two more options . . .

Reactor is interesting . . . totally flexible, but correspondingly a
bit challenging to learn how to use, and can be unstable. It allows
absolutely anything you can imagine, working with low-level logical
components such as osscilators, filters, etc., but also grouping them
together into higher-level modules.

On the other end of the spectrum is Reason, which is very easy to learn
and use, very very stable, but works with relatively high-level
instruments and FX, such as a sampler, a synth, a drum-machine, a
reverb etc. It allows access to the back-pannel which gives a lot fo
flexibility of connection, so you could take the output of an
oscillator in one module, through a filter in another module, or
combine any number of LFO signals into one mega-LFO for example. It's
very professional, and very very stable (I've never had a crash in
years of live use) . . . great for live use as you can do most things
in real time as it's playing . . . adding new modules, changing
connections, re-programming, playing and recording from
MIDI-controllers, adding sequencers etc.

Neither of those are free, but both are relatively cheap, and well
worth the small amount of money.

There's one free one I've used . . . well, it was free to educational
establishments anyway, and cheap to private individuals. I think it was
called C-Sound. It did some interesting things, and allowed access to
the low-level sound programming for good flexibility, but was difficult
to learn and use, in my experience (this was 10 years ago now).

Chris
http://www.chris-melchior.com/strings.htm (REAL strings for realistic
prices).

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:12:24 -0700, Bob Cain
wrote in rec.music.makers.synth:



Fredas wrote:

So all I'm really wondering is: Have any alternatives come along which
feature something similar to (or, heck, a blatant ripoff of) Buzz'

AudioMulch,

AudioMulch with EnergyXT is a thing of beauty.

Mustig,

Don't know that one. //googles

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On 27 Apr 2005 07:58:58 -0700, "
wrote in rec.music.makers.synth:

There's one free one I've used . . . well, it was free to educational
establishments anyway, and cheap to private individuals. I think it was
called C-Sound. It did some interesting things, and allowed access to
the low-level sound programming for good flexibility, but was difficult
to learn and use, in my experience (this was 10 years ago now).

It is free and open-source. It will make your head explode, though.
Kind of similar (both in freeness and head-explodedness) is Super
Collider.
Oh, and for the absolute ultimate in geekyness, there's always Chuck.

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Going too far
WE don't go too far!
None of us will go too far...
Maybe sometimes we WENT too far
But now WE WON'T!
Because we're real nice guys!

Fredas wrote:

But this doesn't change the fact that the "machines" layout, which is
breathtakingly, forehead-slap-inducingly intuitive, is the best possible
solution to the problem of juggling samples, synths and effects, and
when I turn around and contemplate the comparatively dubious prospect of
dealing with Reason's "racks" or (*SHUDDER*) the monstrosity that is
Cubase's solution, I just get cold feet.

To each their own, I guess -- I could never get my head around
'trackers', even though they were based on Fairlight's "Page R" which I
found useful, but I grew up in a studio environment, so the layout of
Reason and Cubase (et. al.) are for me, very intuitive.

When I experimented with Buzz, I thought the 'machines' layout was a
good idea, but very immature -- it was too easy to get lost once your
system became even slightly complex.

So all I'm really wondering is: Have any alternatives come along which
feature something similar to (or, heck, a blatant ripoff of) Buzz'
"machines" layout?

Of all the packages I've seen, AudioMulch would have to be the closest
to Buzz.

I would even be willing to deal with a non-tracker (ie,
not-easily-finetuneable) sequencer..

Pfft, any good compositional environment lets you dive deep quickly and
simply to fine-tune something -- I do it in Cubase & Reason all the
time. I guess it just boils down to what you're familiar with


Geoffrey

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