Hi:

I've been using a TLM103 in the studio. Sounds great on my voice in
that context. Last week I started doing a jazz piano/vocal gig.
Thought I'd try out my TLM103 once live to see how it would do. The PA
was "average" (Fostex powered mixer and your basic house monitors).
Worked wonderfully. Lots of detail and texture in the voice. No
feedback issues (at least in solo work).

Now a TLM103 is no mike you would normally use in a smoky club where
the stage is easily accessed by customers. And so, I need to find a
workhorse mike for live work which would provide the frequency
response and detail I crave. (I've used SM58s, AKG C451, and AKG C3000
in live situations and have come away dissatisfied with all except the
AKG C451 which did have some detail in the sound.)

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Thanks.

Rob A.

Try a Shure KSM44 (or possibly the KSM32) - a bunch of the bluegrassers are
using one these days. Or you could keep using the 103 - for a jazz
piano/vocal gig, you probably won't be having a lot of stage divers and
fights in the mosh pit...

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com


"Rob A." wrote in message
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Hi:

I've been using a TLM103 in the studio. Sounds great on my voice in
that context. Last week I started doing a jazz piano/vocal gig.
Thought I'd try out my TLM103 once live to see how it would do. The PA
was "average" (Fostex powered mixer and your basic house monitors).
Worked wonderfully. Lots of detail and texture in the voice. No
feedback issues (at least in solo work).

Now a TLM103 is no mike you would normally use in a smoky club where
the stage is easily accessed by customers. And so, I need to find a
workhorse mike for live work which would provide the frequency
response and detail I crave. (I've used SM58s, AKG C451, and AKG C3000
in live situations and have come away dissatisfied with all except the
AKG C451 which did have some detail in the sound.)

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Thanks.

Rob A.

"Rob A." wrote in message
om...

Now a TLM103 is no mike you would normally use in a smoky club where
the stage is easily accessed by customers. And so, I need to find a
workhorse mike for live work which would provide the frequency
response and detail I crave. (I've used SM58s, AKG C451, and AKG C3000
in live situations and have come away dissatisfied with all except the
AKG C451 which did have some detail in the sound.)

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Well, it's certainly not an exact mimic, but a damned fine mic for this sort
of vocal: the Electro-Voice RE20. It's not too expensive, it's built like a
brick drum-booth, and it's mounted in a clamp rather than a quick-release
clip, which might be useful for preventing theft. It's also way too big to
put into the pocket of anyone but a kangaroo.

Peace,
Paul "Is that an RE20 in your pocket, or...?"

On 11 Apr 2005 09:43:45 -0700, (Rob A.) wrote:


Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Thanks.

Rob A.

Well, they're not TLM103s, but the Audix VX-10, AKG C535 and Rode S-1
have all worked well for me as live vocal mics with a clear, detailed
condenser mic sound.

Mike T.

Rob A. wrote:

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

The Neumann KMS105 is specifically designed for that.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hi Rob,

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there
(up to about $500) which can "mimic" the characteristics
of the TLM103 in a live setting?

you could for example check the Neumann KMS-105,
the AKG C-535 or the Audio-Technica AE5400, just
to mention a few.

Best regards,

Dieter Michel

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:51:43 -0400, Dieter Michel wrote
(in article ):

Hi Rob,

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there
(up to about $500) which can "mimic" the characteristics
of the TLM103 in a live setting?

you could for example check the Neumann KMS-105,
the AKG C-535 or the Audio-Technica AE5400, just
to mention a few.

Best regards,

Dieter Michel

Beat me to it.


Ty Ford

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

I just wanted to add that it is fairly popular with jazz vocalists for
this reason.

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

I just wanted to add that it is fairly popular with jazz vocalists for
this reason.

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

Hi, Rob...

For the money, you should try the CAD 95...

Can be had on ebay for around $80(including a mic stand).

Don't be put off by the low cost, they have been praised on various groups
for live sound.

Quite the find.

HTH,

Robin Farrell
JuliRob Productions

In article . net,
"Dave Martin" wrote:


Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

I don't know about mimicing your mic of choice, but I have been using
the Sennheiser md431 mkII on my voice (sort of bluesy baritone) with
pleasing results, and it has a noise-free switch. I understand that
Neumann has repackaged the cap off this mic in their ksm150 (or whatever
the number is). I got this mic for $310 on ebay.

Another live mic to check out is the Rode S1, although I have better
results with it on female vocals than my own. Needs phantom power.

jackfish wrote:
In article . net,
"Dave Martin" wrote:


Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

I don't know about mimicing your mic of choice, but I have been using
the Sennheiser md431 mkII on my voice (sort of bluesy baritone) with
pleasing results, and it has a noise-free switch. I understand that
Neumann has repackaged the cap off this mic in their ksm150 (or whatever
the number is). I got this mic for $310 on ebay.

It's a nice mike, but the 431 has a clean and reasonably accurate top end,
not a peaky one like the TLM103. If you're looking for something with
that artificial sense of "openness" from the exaggerated top octave, the
431 isn't a good choice.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article , (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

jackfish wrote:
In article . net,
"Dave Martin" wrote:


Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500)
which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

I don't know about mimicing your mic of choice, but I have been using
the Sennheiser md431 mkII on my voice (sort of bluesy baritone) with
pleasing results, and it has a noise-free switch. I understand that
Neumann has repackaged the cap off this mic in their ksm150 (or whatever
the number is). I got this mic for $310 on ebay.

It's a nice mike, but the 431 has a clean and reasonably accurate top
end,
not a peaky one like the TLM103. If you're looking for something with
that artificial sense of "openness" from the exaggerated top octave, the
431 isn't a good choice.
--scott


Right. Flat, with a bell shaped peak around 12k. The 431 IMHO still
sounds like a dynamic mic, which of course, it is. It has a nice
proximity response that can be used effectively for live work, I think.
And low handing noise. I don't think it will sound at all like a
condenser mic, but the Rode S1 has a sound that's more in that
direction, with a more dense tightly focused sound and a bit more smooth
and silky.