OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?

In article ,
m.c. wrote:
OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?

If you concentrate on sonic quality, maybe the Merging Technologies stuff
might be more to your tastes anyway.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"m.c." wrote in message ...
OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?


Sonic quality on any version of PT (or other HD recording systems) is based on
the equipment used to feed the software. The front end signal chain will be the
key to any sort of "sonic quality", superceded by the ability of the players and the
quality of the instruments that created the source material, and the skills of the
recordist.

For the most part, I will still gladly hold up 16/44.1 recordings done of good musos
through a sweet front end, against higher sampling rates and bit depths recorded
with questionable front end tools and techniques.

To the average Joe, PTHD and HD24 are probably indestinguishable.


..... just my .02 cents worth ....

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
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"m.c." wrote:

OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?

Why do you reckon the software influences the *sonic quality* ?

There's a few very subtle differences that can be done in S/W - but the
analogue to digital ( and back again if required ) hardware chain is going to
predominate.


Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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"m.c." wrote:

OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to
choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is
the
difference significant ?

Why do you reckon the software influences the *sonic quality* ?

He's asking about hardware -- Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools HD
system.

Peace,
Paul

When I mentioned PT HD, of course-I ment hardware (incl . Digidesign
converters as a part of a system),...
So Paul ,thanx for clearing it out : let's put it this way :
Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools HD system.
And again - the issue in this question is sonic quality
Please don't start about relativity of the term "sonic quality"
Let's go into the substance...those of you who had a chance to compare :
where is the difference and how significant it is ?
Let's speak about perception of dynamics,coloration of sound,quality in
different
frequency ranges etc.



"Paul Stamler" schreef in bericht
...

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

"m.c." wrote:

OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to
choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is
the
difference significant ?

Why do you reckon the software influences the *sonic quality* ?

He's asking about hardware -- Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools
HD
system.

Peace,
Paul

"m.c." wrote:

When I mentioned PT HD, of course-I ment hardware (incl . Digidesign
converters as a part of a system),...
So Paul ,thanx for clearing it out : let's put it this way :
Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools HD system.
And again - the issue in this question is sonic quality
Please don't start about relativity of the term "sonic quality"
Let's go into the substance...those of you who had a chance to compare :
where is the difference and how significant it is ?
Let's speak about perception of dynamics,coloration of sound,quality in
different
frequency ranges etc.

Buy a Prism Sound converter if you're fussy.

http://www.prismsound.com/psstudio.htm


Graham

m.c. wrote:
When I mentioned PT HD, of course-I ment hardware (incl . Digidesign
converters as a part of a system),...
So Paul ,thanx for clearing it out : let's put it this way :
Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools HD system.
And again - the issue in this question is sonic quality
Please don't start about relativity of the term "sonic quality"
Let's go into the substance...those of you who had a chance to
compare :
where is the difference and how significant it is ?
Let's speak about perception of dynamics,coloration of sound,quality
in
different
frequency ranges etc.

I Multed 8 tracks of micpres (MIllenias and John Hardy's) between
a Digi 192 HD/Protools setup, my Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 Firewire
interface/Nuendo and and a Neve VR console, the VR I mixed down to
reference DATS live. I was shocked at how thin the Digi 192 tracks
sounded in comparison to the Metric Halo, I was recording at 24/88.2
While it is true that there was different software used, I think this
was probably more due to the 192 Converter's sucking.

Haven't used the Alesis HD24, however Jim Williams of Audio
Upgrades made some positive comments here about the Alesis HD42XR 96k -
if that's what you're fishing for... g


Jim Williams Nov 11 2003, 8:36 am
"Lucid 9624 AD vs RME ADI 8 DS??"

"If you're looking for good quality converters in mass, I
like the Alesis HD24XR 96k. It uses the same A/D's as the $13k Radar
96, and I like the AKM 5393 D/A converters in there better than the
rough sounding Analog Devices AD1855 dac's in the Radar. $2500 for 48
channels of 96k converters, oh, and they throw in a hard drive
recorder in for free!"

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

In article writes:

OK,I know most of you don't like this ...but let's try
If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?

No.


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and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

m.c. wrote:
When I mentioned PT HD, of course-I ment hardware (incl . Digidesign
converters as a part of a system),...
So Paul ,thanx for clearing it out : let's put it this way :
Alesis HD24 hard disk recorder vs. ProTools HD system.
And again - the issue in this question is sonic quality
Please don't start about relativity of the term "sonic quality"
Let's go into the substance...those of you who had a chance to
compare :
where is the difference and how significant it is ?
Let's speak about perception of dynamics,coloration of sound,quality
in
different
frequency ranges etc.


I don't mean to be argumentative, but sonic quality is going to be
pretty subjective. All converters will color the sound in some way.
Sonic wuality will have to do with your taste in coloration. Maybe you
can try to make the point about more or less colored, but analog tape
has shown us that less colored is not necessarily better "sonic
quality", it's all going to be relative to what you like.

Mike Caffrey wrote:
I don't mean to be argumentative, but sonic quality is going to be
pretty subjective. All converters will color the sound in some way.
Sonic wuality will have to do with your taste in coloration. Maybe
you
can try to make the point about more or less colored, but analog tape
has shown us that less colored is not necessarily better "sonic
quality", it's all going to be relative to what you like.

True, even good quality converters have "flavors". When I was
Tape Op on Al Dimeola's "Orange and Blue" album Mark Levinson brought
in some of his A/D's that were modifications of Apogee Converters.
This was over 10 years ago, so it was all 16/18 bit stuff of course.
Boomer did A/B them with the built in A/D's on the Sony 3348's, but on
Nylon string guitar while being maybe a tad bit fuller sounding lacked
a good deal of the clarity of the Sonys, so we didn't use them. Or the
Levinson eq's either - nice literature though.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

On Apr 8, 2005, m.c. commented:

If we concentrate only on sonic quallity (generally) and we have to choose
between HD24 (96 Khz version) and ProTools HD...what is better and is the
difference significant ?
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I reluctantly upgraded to PTHD a few years ago, mainly because it was clear
that all the new plug-ins were only going to be compatible with HD and not
the old Mix 24 systems.

After doing it, I had to scratch my head and wonder, "is this thing actually
sounding better, or am I confusing myself?" But it did feel a little
cleaner, maybe a few percentage points in distortion. Nothing else had been
changed.

Then this year, I had a hard drive fail and had to swap it out with a new
one. For a couple of years, I had been hearing very subtle "blips" in phase
here and there, but they weren't repeatable, and only happened two or three
times a day. Damned if those problems completely went away when I replaced
the drive.

So sometimes, there are hardware solutions to strange subtle problems like
this. And yeah, I think PTHD does have somewhat better D/A and A/D
converters than the old Mix 24 systems.

As to the cheaper 96K HD interface vs. the 192 HD interface (which is really
the question you're asking), the latter gives you all-balanced inputs and
more digital connectivity (including AES/EBU), plus better metering, so me
personally, I think the 192 is worth the extra money.

--MFW