In article jon@waite writes:

I worked as head engineer at a church for 8 years, in this type of
situation, license fees do not apply, we contacted the copyright holder
and unless you are trying to make a profit, you don't have to pay fees.
That is just what i know.

You know it for your hymnal's publisher. They're not all the same. In
general, profit doesn't have anything to do with copyright, but the
copyright owner can, if he chooses, give you a license at no cost for
a non-profit project.


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Eric,
Another possibility is the Core Sound PDAudio. This is a digital audio
capture device which is hosted in a pocket pc.

You can get a little AD converter from Radio Shack (under $20) which
converts line level from your pa/mixer to the S/PDIF digital source
required by PDAudio. It should be very suitable for your purpose but
will limit the sampling to 44.1kHz and 16-bit. PDAudio is capable of
24-bit recording.

In addition...here is what you would need.
pocket pc (H2215 $349 or rx2750 $549) one that has both CF and SD slots
PDAudio ($199)
SD memory (1gb costs about $70)
recording software ($50)

Key points
- this system is immediately available. !!!
- recorded data is highly mobile. Take it home on SD and read with a
card reader into your desktop or laptop system.
- your recorder is also very lightweight and portable.
- the software supports changing media while recording, but a 1gb SD
will last 3 hours at 16/44.1
- you could probably fit 2 services on a single 1gb SD. That could be
handy if you couldn't transfer it right away.
- the system is upgradeable. Using a portable micpre/converter and some
mics you could make some very nice 24-bit ambient recordings, choir,
music programs, etc.

For details see the Core Sound website.
http://www.core-sound.com

Gordon Gidluck
http://www.gidluckmastering.com/live2496.html


Eric wrote:
I need to come up with a reasonable way to record our Church services and
distribute the recordings to members who are sick, etc. Our current system
is simply cassette tapes, but this format is getting on a bit.

Output of the mixer is analogue.

My current thoughts are a minidisc recorder such as Sony's HiMD range or
otherwise an iRiver H320 or similar, which can be taken home and plugged
into a PC (preferably digitally so that its faster than realtime). The
resulting MP3 can then be saved onto a CD for playback in a discman style CD
player with MP3 capability, car stereo, or home stereo.

It would also be possible then to save the MP3 onto other playback formats.

The copying would be done by a volunteer who is not necesarily highly
computyer literate so it needs to be a relatively simple process.

Since church services are generally slightly longer than the length of a CD,
normal CD recording is not an option. I have thought about DVD (audio only)
but figured portable DVD players are not quite ready for the average church
member (too expensive, not enough options).

Thanks for any responses

Eric

"Gordon Gidluck" wrote in message
...

- the software supports changing media while recording, but a 1gb SD
will last 3 hours at 16/44.1

Only in mono. In stereo you get about 90 minutes per gigabyte at 16/44.

Peace,
Paul

Another possibility is the Core Sound PDAudio. This is a
digital audio capture device which is hosted in a pocket pc.

You can get a little AD converter from Radio Shack (under
$20) which converts line level from your pa/mixer to the
S/PDIF digital source required by PDAudio. It should be
very suitable for your purpose but will limit the sampling
to 44.1kHz and 16-bit. PDAudio is capable of 24-bit
recording.

In addition...here is what you would need.
pocket pc (H2215 $349 or rx2750 $549) one that has both
CF and SD slots
PDAudio ($199)
SD memory (1gb costs about $70)
recording software ($50)

For a total cost the better part of a kilobuck. Not to mention
the vulnerability of such high-value pocketable stuff. Plus
the cost of interface for the SD card at the other end.

Remembering that this is a low-budget, FIXED application,
the slowest hand-me-down computer running free software
would capture (and edit) 16x44K WAV directly to HD.
New CD-RW drives are down to $30 in my neighborhood
shop if the compute doesn't have one already. Total cost :
$50 and possibly zero.

Paul,
Thanks for catching that. Hands were not typing what head was thinking. ;-)

Gordon

Paul Stamler wrote:
"Gordon Gidluck" wrote in message
...


- the software supports changing media while recording, but a 1gb SD
will last 3 hours at 16/44.1


Only in mono. In stereo you get about 90 minutes per gigabyte at 16/44.

Peace,
Paul

Gordon Gidluck wrote:

You can get a little AD converter from Radio Shack (under $20)
which
converts line level from your pa/mixer to the S/PDIF digital source
required by PDAudio. It should be very suitable for your purpose but
will limit the sampling to 44.1kHz and 16-bit. PDAudio is capable of
24-bit recording.

Can you provide a RS part number or URL on their web site for this
product?

Arny,
It's 15-1242. They call it a signal converter. Typical use is audio and
video. The price is right for a cheap digitizer.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=15-1242

Gordon

Arny Krueger wrote:
Gordon Gidluck wrote:


You can get a little AD converter from Radio Shack (under $20)

which

converts line level from your pa/mixer to the S/PDIF digital source
required by PDAudio. It should be very suitable for your purpose but
will limit the sampling to 44.1kHz and 16-bit. PDAudio is capable of
24-bit recording.


Can you provide a RS part number or URL on their web site for this
product?

Arny,
It's 15-1242. They call it a signal converter. Typical use is audio and
video. The price is right for a cheap digitizer.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=15-1242

Gordon

Arny Krueger wrote:
Gordon Gidluck wrote:


You can get a little AD converter from Radio Shack (under $20)

which

converts line level from your pa/mixer to the S/PDIF digital source
required by PDAudio. It should be very suitable for your purpose but
will limit the sampling to 44.1kHz and 16-bit. PDAudio is capable of
24-bit recording.


Can you provide a RS part number or URL on their web site for this
product?

Gordon Gidluck wrote:
Arny,
It's 15-1242. They call it a signal converter. Typical use is audio
and video. The price is right for a cheap digitizer.


http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=15-1242



Hmmm, I'll have to take a closer look, on the test bench.

In article writes:

It's 15-1242. They call it a signal converter. Typical use is audio
and video. The price is right for a cheap digitizer.

Hmmm, I'll have to take a closer look, on the test bench.

It'll be interesting to see how bad they can make an A/D converter for
$15. I think I've seen the $10 computer sound card, but that might be
a new low for a stand-alone. And S-Video, too.

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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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In article znr1113613193k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:



In article jon@waite writes:

I worked as head engineer at a church for 8 years, in this type of
situation, license fees do not apply, we contacted the copyright holder
and unless you are trying to make a profit, you don't have to pay fees.
That is just what i know.

You know it for your hymnal's publisher. They're not all the same. In
general, profit doesn't have anything to do with copyright, but the
copyright owner can, if he chooses, give you a license at no cost for
a non-profit project.

Profit is not a necessary element for copyright infringement. If it
were that simple, the barter system would create a defense, and the
whole issue with file sharing would simply go away.

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article
writes:

It's 15-1242. They call it a signal converter. Typical use is
audio
and video. The price is right for a cheap digitizer.

Hmmm, I'll have to take a closer look, on the test bench.

It'll be interesting to see how bad they can make an A/D converter
for
$15.

If its bad, that would be expected. If its good, that would be a
surprise.

It might not be all that bad. For example the $30 iMic USB device has
converters that are almost CD-quality. It plays fairly nice. Its
their crazy mic preamp that is always in the record-side signal path
that makes it the abortion it is for recording.

I think I've seen the $10 computer sound card, but that might be
a new low for a stand-alone. And S-Video, too.

S-video output on a sound card? Sure that wasn't a video capture card?

IME a $10 sound card would likely be based on a sub-$1 chip of the
kind used on motherboards. These used to be horrid, but now a-days
they have improved to mediocre. Wait 5 years more and they might
improve to almost good.

The last $40 DVD player I took apart had an audio section that was
based on a Crystal Semi chip that ran up to 24/192, had about 90 dB
unweighted dynamic range at 44.1, and 0.1 dB frequency response 20-18
Khz. I think the digital filters were group delay corrected as well.
Pretty scary, eh?

In article writes:

I think I've seen the $10 computer sound card, but that might be
a new low for a stand-alone. And S-Video, too.

S-video output on a sound card? Sure that wasn't a video capture card?

I was talking about S-Video on the Radio Shack thing as a bonus, not
built into a $10 sound card.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article
writes:

I think I've seen the $10 computer sound card, but that might be
a new low for a stand-alone. And S-Video, too.

S-video output on a sound card? Sure that wasn't a video capture
card?

I was talking about S-Video on the Radio Shack thing as a bonus, not
built into a $10 sound card.

Oh, that. Yes, they shoehorned a composite-to-S-video converter in the
same box, per the description of the Radio Shack 15-1242 at
http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=15-1242