hi, i'm about to order a dual g5 and i know you need a 2nd hard drive
to record the audio files for pro tools. will just getting a 2nd
internal hard drive that comes with g5 be alright (the stock one: 160GB
Serial ATA - 7200rpm), or are you supposed to get one of those hard
drives that connect via firewire, audiowire, etc? sorry if this is a
stupid question, i'm not the biggest hardware guru if you haven't
already noticed! also, will i need to buy partition software for this
or can that be done through formating?

thanks,
adam

adaM wrote:
hi, i'm about to order a dual g5 and i know you need a 2nd hard drive
to record the audio files for pro tools. will just getting a 2nd
internal hard drive that comes with g5 be alright (the stock one:
160GB
Serial ATA - 7200rpm), or are you supposed to get one of those hard
drives that connect via firewire, audiowire, etc? sorry if this is a
stupid question, i'm not the biggest hardware guru if you haven't
already noticed! also, will i need to buy partition software for
this
or can that be done through formating?



7200rpm Serial ATA will be fine. The biggest advantage of an external
Firewire drive over an internal ATA drive is that the external drive is
external! It becomes your portable media, so you can track or overdub
or mix at another studio & not have to drag your whole G5 everywhere.

There was a time when DigiDesign was recommending 10,000 rpm drives,
but they might have lightened up on their requirements. I've been using
7200rpm drives exclusively for the past seven years without a problem.

Just wondering, is anyone still extolling the superiority of SCSI or
Ultra-SCSI for audio use, or has that arguement been beaten into
submission by the legions of users successfully working w/ FireWire or
ATA drives 24/7?

Getting a second HD from Apple will be fine. It should give you better
performance than a firewire drive, though less portability.

You can also just order an ATA drive from CDW after you get the Mac and
install it yourself if you want. Apple's prices on an 80GB or 160GB
drive might not be the best. They are pretty easy to install.

The drive should be formatted and partitioned with the Apple Disk
Utility, so no special software is required. It should be included with
the OS. Turn journalling off when formatting the drive.

NB: If you buy a drive (firewire or whatever) from somewhere, remember
to format it with the Apple utility. Most drives will come PC formatted
which initially works OK with the Mac but will show strange amounts of
storage space and potentially give stability issues with your data
eventually.

Cheers,
Trevor de Clercq


adaM wrote:
hi, i'm about to order a dual g5 and i know you need a 2nd hard drive
to record the audio files for pro tools. will just getting a 2nd
internal hard drive that comes with g5 be alright (the stock one: 160GB
Serial ATA - 7200rpm), or are you supposed to get one of those hard
drives that connect via firewire, audiowire, etc? sorry if this is a
stupid question, i'm not the biggest hardware guru if you haven't
already noticed! also, will i need to buy partition software for this
or can that be done through formating?

thanks,
adam

SCSI kicks FW400's butt. FW800 is a different story. But if you want
192 tracks of 44.1 kHz or 96 tracks of 96 kHz (etc.), you're going to
need six SCSI drives and there ain't much way around that.

That 4-banger SCSI HotSwap Glyph rack was a standard four years ago and
whatever equivalent they have now is obviously even better. The last
thing you want to get in a session is a darn -9073 error with musicians
in the live room and the clock ticking.

Just remember that outside of the "legions of users" getting by fine
with the FW and ATA drives are the orchestral, soundtrack, etc. users
that often use a ton of tracks. Three words: Dialogue, Music, and
Effects. The consoles have three master faders.

Cheers,
Trevor de Clercq

Buster Mudd wrote:
adaM wrote:

hi, i'm about to order a dual g5 and i know you need a 2nd hard drive
to record the audio files for pro tools. will just getting a 2nd
internal hard drive that comes with g5 be alright (the stock one:

160GB

Serial ATA - 7200rpm), or are you supposed to get one of those hard
drives that connect via firewire, audiowire, etc? sorry if this is a
stupid question, i'm not the biggest hardware guru if you haven't
already noticed! also, will i need to buy partition software for

this

or can that be done through formating?




7200rpm Serial ATA will be fine. The biggest advantage of an external
Firewire drive over an internal ATA drive is that the external drive is
external! It becomes your portable media, so you can track or overdub
or mix at another studio & not have to drag your whole G5 everywhere.

There was a time when DigiDesign was recommending 10,000 rpm drives,
but they might have lightened up on their requirements. I've been using
7200rpm drives exclusively for the past seven years without a problem.

Just wondering, is anyone still extolling the superiority of SCSI or
Ultra-SCSI for audio use, or has that arguement been beaten into
submission by the legions of users successfully working w/ FireWire or
ATA drives 24/7?

Buster Mudd wrote:
There was a time when DigiDesign was recommending 10,000 rpm drives,
but they might have lightened up on their requirements. I've been using
7200rpm drives exclusively for the past seven years without a problem.

One possible reason for this is that density on the disk surface
has increased a lot since then. If you leave the head in a certain
position and rotate the disk platter once, then it's going to pass
by a certain number of bits during a revolution. The number of
bits will depend on the density of the data on the disk.

The point is, a disk with a higher density can read more information
in a single revolution. So there is less need to have the highest
rotational speed possible, because you can get very high continuous
transfer rates even at the slower 7200 RPM speed.

However, increased densities don't make high rotational speed
totally obsolete: if you want some data that's on the exact
opposite side of the platter from where the head is, you still
have to wait just as long for the platter to make 1/2 rotation
regardless of the density.

Just wondering, is anyone still extolling the superiority of SCSI or
Ultra-SCSI for audio use, or has that arguement been beaten into
submission by the legions of users successfully working w/ FireWire or
ATA drives 24/7?

FireWire was kind of designed as a replacement for SCSI. It's still
not as fast, though: FireWire 800 is 800 megabits per second. This
is pretty fast, but Ultra320 SCSI is 320 megaBYTES per second. 800
megabits works out to only 100 megabytes. So, the fastest SCSI
available is still three times as fast as the fastest FireWire
available. But it's also basically three times as a expensive, and
as long as one device doesn't need to transfer at more than 100
megabytes per second, you can solve any bus bandwidth problems by
just adding more FireWire buses, which is pretty cheap to do.

Plus, if you really want to crazy about bandwidth, you have to
start considering the bandwidth between the controller and the
CPU (and memory). Most SCSI goes through a PCI bus. Which is
great, but traditional 32-bit 33MHz PCI is only 133 MB/s maximum
bandwidth. So, what's the point of hooking up 320 MB/s SCSI
to something that can't even handle that data? If you want to
really take advantage of it, you'll need to do with something
like 64-bit 66MHz PCI, which gives you 500 MB/s bandwidth, but
costs an arm and a leg and often requires a special motherboard.

Contrast that with Serial ATA that's built in to any new
motherboard. It is often going directly through the motherboard
chipset to the processor and/or memory, so PCI bus limitations
don't apply, and it's 150 MB/s bandwidth, and comes for free with
the motherboard, and the disks are widely available and cheap.

The bottom line is, for most needs, FireWire or SATA are roughly
equivalent (with SATA being 50% faster), and SCSI is not that
much better when viewed as part of the system, unless you go
to great lengths to make sure you get everything just right
(either a motherboard with built-in SCSI or a 64-bit PCI bus).
Or unless you get a newer system with PCI Express, which is
not really mainstream yet, but should be in a year or two.

The other way of looking at it is that pretty much every bus
(SATA, FireWire, regular ATA, SCSI) has the bandwidth for
the maximum sustained transfer speed of one disk. So, if you
never put more than one disk on a single bus, you are probably
fine in most cases.

- Logan

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:31:26 -0400, adaM wrote
(in article .com):

hi, i'm about to order a dual g5 and i know you need a 2nd hard drive
to record the audio files for pro tools. will just getting a 2nd
internal hard drive that comes with g5 be alright (the stock one: 160GB
Serial ATA - 7200rpm), or are you supposed to get one of those hard
drives that connect via firewire, audiowire, etc? sorry if this is a
stupid question, i'm not the biggest hardware guru if you haven't
already noticed! also, will i need to buy partition software for this
or can that be done through formating?

thanks,
adam


Get a second internal hard drive. Then get a big ass external for backing up
the media on your second internal.


Regards,

Ty Ford


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