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Attention: Mike Tschel
Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Thanks! Daniel |
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I know that 90% of problems with the Tascam DX4D that you had previously
asked about was simply having the deck set up without the NR in line and expecting that the calibrations would be correct. Many people tried to eek out some higher level on tape and then tried to use the dbx. Like Dolby, any NR unit must A) record the passage, and B) play it back, but even more importantly, if you have the RTR calibrated, it MUST HAVE the NR unit with it, and you can't just futz around with changing tape formulations or trying adjustments without including the NR in those adjustments. This is not a formula for HOT tapes, but it is one for reasonably quieter tapes in the realm of RTR you are talking about. For all practical purposes, it's probably (although I don't know for certain) that one could buy 4 channels of Dolby S and still have it work as long as the machine is calibrated with Dolby S in the line. So if you are talking about splicing together a system based on analog tape and external noise reduction for some minimal existing projects for personal prosperity (which I believe is what I recall you talking about), I would think that it's much better to A) pay someone with the proper equipment to do any transfers of content you already have or, B) simply step into a new mode of thinking about what you purchase. A Teac 3440 is fine, but there are obvious gradations of fine. The 3440 is about 100 grit whereas a really nice RTR is maybe 400 grit (A RADAR with Nyquist converters is polishing compound as a comparison, which is around 1600 grit). The dbx unit isn't going to get the 3440 to any more than 105 grit. And I don't recall you even talking about the amount of head life left or whether it's been checked. If Mike sells the RX-9 for $30 bucks, then fine, but you'll probably spend $900 on finding out why it still doesn't sound like you want it to, perhaps only to find out that it never would have sounded the way you want it to. Then again, $30 bucks (or whatever floats your boat) for personal posterity transfers is cheap and worth the cost. I've done more with less. I'm sure we all have somewhere along the line! I've also done less with more! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Thanks! Daniel |
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"Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I know that 90% of problems with the Tascam DX4D that you had previously asked about was simply having the deck set up without the NR in line and expecting that the calibrations would be correct. Many people tried to eek out some higher level on tape and then tried to use the dbx. Like Dolby, any NR unit must A) record the passage, and B) play it back, but even more importantly, if you have the RTR calibrated, it MUST HAVE the NR unit with it, and you can't just futz around with changing tape formulations or trying adjustments without including the NR in those adjustments. This is not a formula for HOT tapes, but it is one for reasonably quieter tapes in the realm of RTR you are talking about. For all practical purposes, it's probably (although I don't know for certain) that one could buy 4 channels of Dolby S and still have it work as long as the machine is calibrated with Dolby S in the line. So if you are talking about splicing together a system based on analog tape and external noise reduction for some minimal existing projects for personal prosperity (which I believe is what I recall you talking about), I would think that it's much better to A) pay someone with the proper equipment to do any transfers of content you already have or, B) simply step into a new mode of thinking about what you purchase. A Teac 3440 is fine, but there are obvious gradations of fine. The 3440 is about 100 grit whereas a really nice RTR is maybe 400 grit (A RADAR with Nyquist converters is polishing compound as a comparison, which is around 1600 grit). The dbx unit isn't going to get the 3440 to any more than 105 grit. And I don't recall you even talking about the amount of head life left or whether it's been checked. If Mike sells the RX-9 for $30 bucks, then fine, but you'll probably spend $900 on finding out why it still doesn't sound like you want it to, perhaps only to find out that it never would have sounded the way you want it to. Then again, $30 bucks (or whatever floats your boat) for personal posterity transfers is cheap and worth the cost. I've done more with less. I'm sure we all have somewhere along the line! I've also done less with more! g Alright, thanks for the good info, Roger. ~Daniel  Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Thanks! Daniel |
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"Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if a backwardguitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if a backwardguitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. Yes, thank you for the prompt and most exhaustive answer, Mike.  To answer your original question: I record piano and then overdub voice. As you can see it's not a very "busy" recording and though I never really complain at the small amount of hiss I get without any NR, I'd like to experiment with it too. Before getting the 3440 just last year, I recorded with my beloved TASCAM 244 portastudio, you know, the 20 lb monster from the 80's ? Anyway, these have dbx and I guess with the thin track format theyhave to. The sound that I was getting was very clean and robust and I really like the 244 in that way. Perhaps I got used to that sound .. I don't know. I figure that with the 3440's wider tracks and faster tape travel, that with the RX-9 the sound can only get better S/N ratio, like the 244 but more hi-fi. Perhaps dolby sr or a would be nice too but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune. Thanks Mike. Daniel |
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"Daniel" wrote in message news:RDS0e.782917$6l.768377@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if a backwardguitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. Yes, thank you for the prompt and most exhaustive answer, Mike. To answer your original question: I record piano and then overdub voice. As you can see it's not a very "busy" recording and though I never really complain at the small amount of hiss I get without any NR, I'd like to experiment with it too. Before getting the 3440 just last year, I recorded with my beloved TASCAM 244 portastudio, you know, the 20 lb monster from the 80's ? Anyway, these have dbx and I guess with the thin track formatthey have to. The sound that I was getting was very clean and robust and I really like the 244 in that way. Perhaps I got used to that sound .. I don't know. I figure that with the 3440's wider tracks and faster tape travel, that with the RX-9 the sound can only get better S/N ratio, like the 244 but more hi-fi. Perhaps dolby sr or a would be nice too but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune. Thanks Mike. Daniel The 244? I know it well. Alright, then you're obviously familiar with how DBX sounds - and it sounds similar when using an open-reel machine as well. The 3440 was / is a great machine! I'll check out my set-up and get back to ya. FWIW - any DOLBY A outboard box would set you back some bucks - SR even moreso. I found recording with compression and a good EQ to be the best way to maximise sig to noise on the 3440. I also mainly record piano, and it has a HUGE dynamic range which I found compromised by the DBX unit. (That's my main beef with it.) Anyway, I'll post again after I do a little test for ya. Mike T. |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:RDS0e.782917$6l.768377@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if abackward guitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. Yes, thank you for the prompt and most exhaustive answer, Mike. To answer your original question: I record piano and then overdub voice. As you can see it's not a very "busy" recording and though I never really complain at the small amount of hiss I get without any NR, I'd like to experiment with it too. Before getting the 3440 just last year, I recorded with my beloved TASCAM 244 portastudio, you know, the 20 lb monster from the 80's ? Anyway, these have dbx and I guess with the thin track formatthey have to. The sound that I was getting was very clean and robust and I really like the 244 in that way. Perhaps I got used to that sound .. I don't know. I figure that with the 3440's wider tracks and faster tape travel, that with the RX-9 the sound can only get better S/N ratio, like the 244 but more hi-fi. Perhaps dolby sr or a would be nice too but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune. Thanks Mike. Daniel The 244? I know it well. Alright, then you're obviously familiar with how DBX sounds - and it sounds similar when using an open-reel machine as well. The 3440 was / is a great machine! I'll check out my set-up and get back to ya. FWIW - any DOLBY A outboard box would set you back some bucks - SR even moreso. I found recording with compression and a good EQ to be the best way to maximise sig to noise on the 3440. I also mainly record piano, and it has a HUGE dynamic range which I found compromised by the DBX unit. (That's my main beef with it.) Anyway, I'll post again after I do a little test for ya. Mike T. Alright, thanks Mike! ~Daniel |
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Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. "Daniel" wrote in message news:7va1e.791596$Xk.391367@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:RDS0e.782917$6l.768377@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc .... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if abackward guitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. Yes, thank you for the prompt and most exhaustive answer, Mike. To answer your original question: I record piano and then overdub voice. As you can see it's not a very "busy" recording and though I never really complain at the small amount of hiss I get without any NR, I'd like to experiment with it too. Before getting the 3440 just last year, I recorded with my beloved TASCAM 244 portastudio, you know, the 20 lb monster from the 80's ? Anyway, these have dbx and I guess with the thin track formatthey have to. The sound that I was getting was very clean and robust and I really like the 244 in that way. Perhaps I got used to that sound .. I don't know. I figure that with the 3440's wider tracks and faster tape travel, that with the RX-9 the sound can only get better S/N ratio, like the 244 but more hi-fi. Perhaps dolby sr or a would be nice too but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune. Thanks Mike. Daniel The 244? I know it well. Alright, then you're obviously familiar with how DBX sounds - and it sounds similar when using an open-reel machine as well. The 3440 was / is a great machine! I'll check out my set-up and get back to ya. FWIW - any DOLBY A outboard box would set you back some bucks - SR even moreso. I found recording with compression and a good EQ to be the best way to maximise sig to noise on the 3440. I also mainly record piano, and it has a HUGE dynamic range which I found compromised by the DBX unit. (That's my main beef with it.) Anyway, I'll post again after I do a little test for ya. Mike T. Alright, thanks Mike! ~Daniel |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... Daniel, Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. Hi Mike, I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and effort. Best wishes, Daniel "Daniel" wrote in message news:7va1e.791596$Xk.391367@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:RDS0e.782917$6l.768377@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:IZO0e.779202$8l.743084@pd7tw1no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:km90e.758469$Xk.290587@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:ug30e.760351$8l.252503@pd7tw1no... Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at Thanks! Daniel Daniel, Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts: It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass) It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces dynamics. My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the sound. If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten years. Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post again and we can talk via private e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW, where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue. Mike T. Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your honesty is very appreciated. Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth. Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it stop.) Is the RX-9 beat up or is it cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ? Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4 trk. Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ?? No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.) I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad. Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad. So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread, but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'. (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature' on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'. I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court. Mike T. Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs ) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all that before I commit. While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too costly, dolby "A" NR unit ? Thanks Mike, Daniel We use Dolby SR which has suplanted Dolby 'A' in professional circles. Most Dolby 'racks' can do bothe SR and 'A' decoding. Also, look out for Dolby 'E'....! That's for another thread. Anyhow Daniel, I went through my overstuffed filing cabinet and found the manual for the Teac 3340. It contains the DBX hook-up and Model 2A mixer information. I took a quick glance at the cabing section and yes, it was properly installed. So, yes - there is a manual 'of sorts' which I could P-Copy. Old manuals are so cool to read, no freq. sampling specs or word clocks and ADAC crap - just how it works and how to install it. I miss those old days. Which are only, like 15 years ago!. Audio has come a long way - fast! Tell you what Daniel - I'll give the machine a proper test (using an alignment tape) this (long) weekend since I have some extra time. However, I'm curious *WHY* you need this particular unit? If you can fill me in, maybe I'll have a better idea of your situation. No lengthy reply needed, I'm just curious - and if I go to the trouble of checking it for you - it might help me determine if if it's worth it to you. Believe me, I still have the 'rarely used' Teac 3340, model 2A mixer and the DBX package - that was Teac's home studio system. I'm not in any hurry to sell off anything for money, but if someone can make good use of a component, it goes without saying I'd be willing to help. Make no mistake, that 3-pack of 'pro' audio gear cost me over $3000.00 (1 year old) back in the day so I have no intention of throwing any of it in the garbage. I know the DBX worked as per spec, I just never liked it and it developed an intermitent problem. Quite honestly, maybe the thing still works fine...it would certainly need a proper cleaning and possibly capacitor replacement. Old gear can always be repaired, but as you say - it's a risk. If anything, I like having an open reel machine available in my home studio. Those Beatles / Hendrix 'backwards' solos never get old. Also, if abackward guitar solo is needed, it's easy just to flip the reel and rehearse the licks that way. Indeed, reel to reel audio is excellent @ 15ips. So, I'll make a 4-track DBX encoded :60 sec. recording Saturday and I'll let you know. expect a post from me Sunday or more likely Monday. That's reasonable wouldn't you say? Mike T. Yes, thank you for the prompt and most exhaustive answer, Mike. To answer your original question: I record piano and then overdub voice. As you can see it's not a very "busy" recording and though I never really complain at the small amount of hiss I get without any NR, I'd like to experiment with it too. Before getting the 3440 just last year, I recorded with my beloved TASCAM 244 portastudio, you know, the 20 lb monster from the 80's ? Anyway, these have dbx and I guess with the thin trackformat they have to. The sound that I was getting was very clean and robust and I really like the 244 in that way. Perhaps I got used to that sound .. I don't know. I figure that with the 3440's wider tracks and faster tape travel, that with the RX-9 the sound can only get better S/N ratio, like the 244 but more hi-fi. Perhaps dolby sr or a would be nice too but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune. Thanks Mike. Daniel The 244? I know it well. Alright, then you're obviously familiar with how DBX sounds - and it sounds similar when using an open-reel machine as well. The 3440 was / is a great machine! I'll check out my set-up and get back to ya. FWIW - any DOLBY A outboard box would set you back some bucks - SR even moreso. I found recording with compression and a good EQ to be the best way to maximise sig to noise on the 3440. I also mainly record piano, and it has a HUGE dynamic range which I found compromised by the DBX unit. (That's my main beef with it.) Anyway, I'll post again after I do a little test for ya. Mike T. Alright, thanks Mike! ~Daniel |
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"Daniel" wrote in message news:Hg82e.837045$6l.42269@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... Daniel, Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. Hi Mike, I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and effort. Best wishes, Daniel That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure you can do better for cheaper. It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative word. LOL Good luck Daniel. Mike 'Honest John' T. |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:Hg82e.837045$6l.42269@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... Daniel, Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. Hi Mike, I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and effort. Best wishes, Daniel That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure you can do better for cheaper. It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative word. LOL Good luck Daniel. Mike 'Honest John' T. Thank you Mike. Best wishes, Daniel |
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"Daniel" wrote in message news:5dH2e.854100$Xk.626387@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:Hg82e.837045$6l.42269@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... Daniel, Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. Hi Mike, I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and effort. Best wishes, Daniel That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure you can do better for cheaper. It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative word. LOL Good luck Daniel. Mike 'Honest John' T. Thank you Mike. Best wishes, Daniel You're welcome - But, please - let us know how it all works out. Okay? Back to Lurk mode, Mike T. |
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"Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:5dH2e.854100$Xk.626387@pd7tw3no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... "Daniel" wrote in message news:Hg82e.837045$6l.42269@pd7tw2no... "Mike Tschel." wrote in message ... Daniel, Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings: (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.) Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold ended RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those gold cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are installed properly. The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly. During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered. During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered. My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color. The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have noise reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also - again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine. Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It originates from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's wired right into the back.) My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I distinctly recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly. (Again, and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I doubt it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function. Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic sound that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some it may sound superb.) So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no claims of perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus, I know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey as it did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is". On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My advice? If it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to have it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and working properly. (IMO) That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call. Mike T. Hi Mike, I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and effort. Best wishes, Daniel That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure you can do better for cheaper. It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative word. LOL Good luck Daniel. Mike 'Honest John' T. Thank you Mike. Best wishes, Daniel You're welcome - But, please - let us know how it all works out. Okay? Will do. Thanks again Mike. ~Daniel Back to Lurk mode, Mike T. |
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