Matrixmusic wrote:
You might be quite right George, but if that's the truth, it is sad.
Over 90% of post secondary students in Canada are internet connected.
Their marks can only be viewded online.
Maybe Bush can divert a little money from the defense budget for
internet for everybody. I guess it would cost a couple of hundred
million
to get everybody online; if you educate the people they will make more
money.
I don't think Fox cable news would be into that, especially Bill
O'reilly, it be bad
for the propoganda.
I hope things pick up down there,
kevin doyle



well if you count public librarys we have 100% saturation of the
internet here
I am only talking about those that subscribe to their own iSP
George

"George Gleason" wrote in message
...

55% of internet users are between 18-34. I would say that is a youth
movement considering the internet is over 10 years old now.

And that isn't even taking into consideration the young people who use
their parents accounts.


34!!!! your stretching "youth" pretty far



True... but remember the internet is 10 years old now. A key demographic
for the record industry is 18-35 is it not?


we aren't talking about the record industry

we are trying to establish if the"youth movement" is using P2P networks to
twist the morals and fabric of society


We are talking about the record industry and how p2p is affecting it and the
industries that relate.


I am challenging your concept that most colleges provide t1 backbones to
their dorms, yes a few rich elite schools do, but most do not
the only access MOST college students have to the net is at the campus
computer labs and librarys, and P2P networking is tightly regulated there
there is no "youth movement" and even less is p2p going to flip the morals
of society


All state colleges have great internet connections for their dorms. And most
non-state schools do as well.



--
-hev
remove "your opinion" to find me:
www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:53:34 GMT, George Gleason
wrote:

hev wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Now it's a "youth movement". LOL! If ever there were a phrase that
should set off alarm bells in the head of any sensible person it would
be the words "youth movement". Hev, do yourself a favor and read Eric
Hoffer's classic sociological book "The True Believer: Thoughts on the
Nature of Mass Movements." If you have any intelligence and self
respect you'll feel like such a sucker once you're done.



It sure as hell isn't a baby boomer movement. LOL!

As long as we are giving favors here, do yourself a favor and go to a
college dorm. See how they no longer own stereo systems and see how they are
using p2p.



I think your the one that ought to go check
you have a grossly distorted idea about todays youth
your quite out of touch
you WILL find boom boxes but almost no internet

George, that's ridiculous... most campuses are hard-wired with T3
connections and they get a *lot* of use from the students.

Al

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:51:15 GMT, George Gleason
wrote:

Matrixmusic wrote:
You might be quite right George, but if that's the truth, it is sad.
Over 90% of post secondary students in Canada are internet connected.
Their marks can only be viewded online.
Maybe Bush can divert a little money from the defense budget for
internet for everybody. I guess it would cost a couple of hundred
million
to get everybody online; if you educate the people they will make more
money.
I don't think Fox cable news would be into that, especially Bill
O'reilly, it be bad
for the propoganda.
I hope things pick up down there,
kevin doyle



well if you count public librarys we have 100% saturation of the
internet here
I am only talking about those that subscribe to their own iSP

Well that's hardly an argument. Most kids don't have their own IP,
but that doesn't mean they don't have access.

Al

On 21 Mar 2005 11:36:37 -0800, "Matrixmusic"
wrote:

Why thankyou Dave,
I guess the doctorate in performance and compostion is paying off

You're getting paid for posting here?

Al

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:09:40 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote:

"play on" wrote:

The "mentors" have chosen to participate in a public, unmoderated
forum. If they really didn't want to field annoying and ignorant
questions, they could stay busy elsewhere...


Right, and they HAVE. *That's* the problem. You're okay with that
outcome?

That's life on usenet. The same thing happens in lots of groups, it's
not confined to this one.

I can just hear George or Harvey saying, "Fine, you're welcome."

That's great Al. If they can't take being treated like ****, **** 'em.
Let 'em go. There's plenty of bedroom trackers with absolutely weeks of
experience who can share their observations with the rest of us.

I'm just saying it's a public forum. That's why there are web forums.
If people really feel strongly abou this, then why hang out on usenet?

Two possible approaches:

1. **** the "expurts" if they can't take it. Anyone can do whatever the
**** they want, and if they came here they should know that they're
gonna get pelted by idiots.

Fine, but it doesn't make the experts look all that mature.


2. Maybe get a feel for who knows what before you start you start
flinging ****. Maybe don't **** off the ones who got some chops,
because maybe you'll learn something from 'em (or at least someone with
an open mind might). Maybe just leave 'em alone because the people who
do this for a living need a place to vent with each other because their
friends and family don't understand what they're talking about.

I think you are expecting WAY too much from a usenet group. None of
these issues are singular to RAP, either most all usenet groups suffer
the same problems, actually RAP is better than most.

Al

I think your the one that ought to go check
you have a grossly distorted idea about todays youth
your quite out of touch
you WILL find boom boxes but almost no internet


George, that's ridiculous... most campuses are hard-wired with T3
connections and they get a *lot* of use from the students.

Al

"Most" campuses CHARGE for this, and MOST student DONT pay the charge
they use the free net at the computer labs
when was the last time you were a consultant on new dorms and student
center for a college?
I am involved in this very issue at the State college at Oswego NY ,
right now
george

"George Gleason" wrote in message
...

I think your the one that ought to go check
you have a grossly distorted idea about todays youth
your quite out of touch
you WILL find boom boxes but almost no internet


George, that's ridiculous... most campuses are hard-wired with T3
connections and they get a *lot* of use from the students.

Al

"Most" campuses CHARGE for this, and MOST student DONT pay the charge


Most campuses have this included with the cost of room and board.


--
-hev
remove "your opinion" to find me:
www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com

"play on" wrote:

I think you are expecting WAY too much from a usenet group. None of
these issues are singular to RAP, either most all usenet groups
suffer the same problems



r.a.p. *may* be "better than most" because of the way we react to some
posts. While we can't control what's posted, we can certainly
discourage people from being dorks.

Personally, I prefer not to simply accept anti-social behaviour on the
group as inevitable. I'm quite grateful to many people here, and want
to help make sure they're not discouraged from posting.

You and everyone else can help too.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

just an note:

at my college every enrolled student receives an email and internet
access account, to be checked via on-campus wifi hotpoints, labs, etc
for registration, class changes, online forms, campus info
distribution, etc.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:41:09 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote:

"play on" wrote:

I think you are expecting WAY too much from a usenet group. None of
these issues are singular to RAP, either most all usenet groups
suffer the same problems



r.a.p. *may* be "better than most" because of the way we react to some
posts. While we can't control what's posted, we can certainly
discourage people from being dorks.

Personally, I prefer not to simply accept anti-social behaviour on the
group as inevitable.

Anti social behavior is one thing... new people being dunned and/or
ridiculed for their innocent contributions are another.

Al

db wrote:
I'm Nur, from Israel, 15 years old.

I hope to meet good people here.


Pleased to meet ya. Mike from Toronto, Canada. 22 years old.

welcome!

Roach

Hello! I'm getting kinda old.

-jeff

George Gleason wrote:

none of the kids I work with at Syracuse University, RTI, Oswego state
Suny Cortlad, MVCC, OCC ,CCCC
use P2P
most of them don't even e-mail
they find the computer as part of the "establishment" and don't trust it
in fact they shun the online community as pointless wanking


Cool!

Hev wrote:

Screw these jerks.... they try to run the place when in reality it is a
public forum.

It is a pleasure to meet you. I'm glad you are interested in audio and you
have come to a great place to gain information.


Then there's the old Fletcher quote. (And it is a quote.):

"You seem to think we actually give a **** you're alive. Get over that
one
in a hurry."

wrote:

just an note:

at my college every enrolled student receives an email and internet
access account, to be checked via on-campus wifi hotpoints, labs, etc
for registration, class changes, online forms, campus info
distribution, etc.


Very advanced.

"An" note?