"Trevor Wilson" wrote:


"Brian" wrote in message
.. .
I have a BOSE Acoustimass 7 (3 saterlite speakers and bass speaker) I
brought this for surround sound. I have two BOSE VS100 small sized
speakers at the back of the room, near the ceiling.

I read in a article that the frequency range is:
Base module 46Hz to 202Hz at +-2.3dB
Satellites 280Hz to 13.3k Hz at +-10.5 dB
Can someone who has tested these speaker confirm that this is the
frequency range.
There seems to be gaps at
20Hz to 46 Hz
202Hz to 280Hz and
13.3k Hz to 20K Hz.

**Correct.


I recently brought a sub woofer to try and full in the gap at the low
frequency range. The sub woofer is 28Hz to 200Hz.
I can't see anyway of disableing the BOSE bass speaker so that the Sub
Woofer is used.

**Correct. There isn't.

I have a Surround 5.1 sound decoder in my DVD player and connected the
player to the ampilifer using 6 leads (one for each speaker). In doing
this I was hoping that the subwoofer would get only the low frewuency
sounds. I have since found that the cut off frequency for the sub
woofer filter built into the DVD player is 120K Hz. This leaves a gap
from 120K Hz to 202K Hz.
Another reason for connecting the amplifer with 6 leads was to be able
to play super audio cd's (SA-CD).

Any advice would be most welcome.

**Sell the Bose and buy some proper equipment. You'll need to spend around
20% of the RRP of the Bose to get an equivalent sound quality.

Thanks Trevor and others for your reply's.
Could someone suggest a suitable system to replace the BOSE speakers.
I have a small sized room so a sub woofer with satellite speakers
(surround sound 5.1 setup) would be more suitable at around 100 watts.
The only speakers I have looked at so far are the Sony brand.

Regards Brian

Brian wrote:

Thanks Trevor and others for your reply's.
Could someone suggest a suitable system to replace the BOSE speakers.
I have a small sized room so a sub woofer with satellite speakers
(surround sound 5.1 setup) would be more suitable at around 100 watts.
The only speakers I have looked at so far are the Sony brand.

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose. Just do a little surfing and research. I have a very nice Polk
system. There are many others.

Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose. Just do a little surfing and research. I have a very nice Polk
system. There are many others.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose. Just do a little surfing and research. I have a very nice Polk
system. There are many others.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.
--scott

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the stratosphere?

Ian S wrote:

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose. Just do a little surfing and research. I have a very nice Polk
system. There are many others.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.
--scott


Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the stratosphere?

Energy? Most of us would consider them to be about as budget
as you can go and create a decent setup. It's not like he
recommended a setup with $1500 bookshelf speakers.

Ian S wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the stratosphere?

Seems that you can get some PSB bookshelf speakers for $349. That's
not exactly Wal*Mart level prices, but do keep one thing in mind: it's
still cheaper than your typical Bose satellite system!

- Logan

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message

Ian S wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable
over
the Bose.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of
the better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the
stratosphere?

Seems that you can get some PSB bookshelf speakers for $349. That's
not exactly Wal*Mart level prices, but do keep one thing in mind:
it's still cheaper than your typical Bose satellite system!

The point is well-taken. The real problem with Bose home audio isn't
the quality (it would be good at some low price point), and there are
no problems with the price points (they would be OK if the quality
were commensurate). What's wrong with Bose is all about value.

The price/performance problem with Bose home speakers becomes apparent
when you compare them to similarly-priced offerings from PSB, Boston
Acoustics, Energy, Paradigm, NHT and etc.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:22:44 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message

Ian S wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable
over
the Bose.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of
the better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the
stratosphere?

Seems that you can get some PSB bookshelf speakers for $349. That's
not exactly Wal*Mart level prices, but do keep one thing in mind:
it's still cheaper than your typical Bose satellite system!

The point is well-taken. The real problem with Bose home audio isn't
the quality (it would be good at some low price point), and there are
no problems with the price points (they would be OK if the quality
were commensurate). What's wrong with Bose is all about value.

The price/performance problem with Bose home speakers becomes apparent
when you compare them to similarly-priced offerings from PSB, Boston
Acoustics, Energy, Paradigm, NHT and etc.

Now THIS is he type of commentary that we could use more of from Mr.
Krueger.

Well-done.

"Ian S" wrote in message
news1t%d.292291$0u.280226@fed1read04
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of
the better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the
stratosphere?

A totally uncalled-for attack.

These aren't stratospheric brands - they all have well-engineered
offerings that fit in the middle-low end of mid-fi. Just because you
can't find them at Best Buy doesn't mean they are high end. ;-)

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:19:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of
the better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the
stratosphere?

A totally uncalled-for attack.

If you would only follow this guideline...

Ian S said:

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the stratosphere?

There's always Arnii F. Krooger, who tells us that speakers by Quad,
Martin-Logan, Magnepan, Spendor, and many other brands are threats to our
religious security.

Notwithstanding, it is a fact that those companies make low-priced
speakers. If you think otherwise, then you must be very ignorant about the
consumer audio marketplace. Just like Krooger. ;-)

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Ian S said:

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of
the better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the
stratosphere?

There's always Arnii F. Krooger, who tells us that speakers by Quad,
Martin-Logan, Magnepan, Spendor, and many other brands are threats
to
our religious security.

This would be yet another Middius lie of 100's if not 1,000's, given
that I have written favorable items about Quad and Magnepan. My
less-than favorable comments about certain Martin-Logan speakers were
simply some of those personal opinions based on personal preferences
that Middius accuses me of hating.

"Ian S" wrote in news1t%d.292291$0u.280226
@fed1read04:

Any chance you could get your snout any higher into the stratosphere?

I suppose he could stick it up Bose's bottom, which so many wooden-eared
people with more money than brains seem to do.

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Joe Sensor wrote:

Sony's are not going to be the best either, though preferable over the
Bose. Just do a little surfing and research. I have a very nice Polk
system. There are many others.

In the bargain basement range I would look at PSB, Energy, some of the
better Paradigm boxes, and NHT.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On my initial reading of this post, I understood the poster to be
disparaging the speakers mentioned by referring to them as
"bargain-basement" and concluded that it was just another in the long line
of snide unhelpful comments elicited by the original poster's request for
help regarding his Bose speakers. I see that I was very likely wrong in my
original impression and that Mr. Dorsey was indeed being helpful with his
suggestion - "bargain basement" in this case meaning "good value". I
therefore apologize to Mr Dorsey and retract my earlier comments directed to
him.

"Brian" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote:


"Brian" wrote in message
. ..
I have a BOSE Acoustimass 7 (3 saterlite speakers and bass speaker) I
brought this for surround sound. I have two BOSE VS100 small sized
speakers at the back of the room, near the ceiling.

I read in a article that the frequency range is:
Base module 46Hz to 202Hz at +-2.3dB
Satellites 280Hz to 13.3k Hz at +-10.5 dB
Can someone who has tested these speaker confirm that this is the
frequency range.
There seems to be gaps at
20Hz to 46 Hz
202Hz to 280Hz and
13.3k Hz to 20K Hz.

**Correct.


I recently brought a sub woofer to try and full in the gap at the low
frequency range. The sub woofer is 28Hz to 200Hz.
I can't see anyway of disableing the BOSE bass speaker so that the Sub
Woofer is used.

**Correct. There isn't.

I have a Surround 5.1 sound decoder in my DVD player and connected the
player to the ampilifer using 6 leads (one for each speaker). In doing
this I was hoping that the subwoofer would get only the low frewuency
sounds. I have since found that the cut off frequency for the sub
woofer filter built into the DVD player is 120K Hz. This leaves a gap
from 120K Hz to 202K Hz.
Another reason for connecting the amplifer with 6 leads was to be able
to play super audio cd's (SA-CD).

Any advice would be most welcome.

**Sell the Bose and buy some proper equipment. You'll need to spend around
20% of the RRP of the Bose to get an equivalent sound quality.

Thanks Trevor and others for your reply's.
Could someone suggest a suitable system to replace the BOSE speakers.
I have a small sized room so a sub woofer with satellite speakers
(surround sound 5.1 setup) would be more suitable at around 100 watts.
The only speakers I have looked at so far are the Sony brand.

**Since you're a Kiwi, I suggest you look towards some Kiwi manufactured
speakers. Some Aussie speakers are also likely to be good value for money
too. In the final analysis, however, you should trust your own ears. Some
Aussie brands worth considering:

Krix
VAF
Orpheus (My favourites)
Sonique
Legend

Not all of these are likely to be available, however.

Some Pommy speakers worth considering:

B&W
KEF
JM Labs
ProAc
Spendor
Epos
Monitor Audio


Some Yank/Canadian speakers worth considering:

Paradigm
Definitive Technology
Energy
NHT
Theil
Infinity


Some Euro speakers worth considering:

Jamo
Canton
Dynaudio
MB Quart
Triangle
Sonus Faber (breathtakingly beautiful to look at)


Almost all the above companies manufacture nothing but quality products (you
will find some exceptions, though) throughout their ranges. Where possible,
however, you are likely to be saving money by buying Kiwi/Aussie products.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Some Pommy speakers worth considering:

B&W
KEF
JM Labs
ProAc
Spendor
Epos
Monitor Audio

You missed out Tannoy, or does Scottish not count as Pommy?
Or are they not worth considering?

--
Eiron.

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Some Pommy speakers worth considering:

B&W
KEF
JM Labs
ProAc
Spendor
Epos
Monitor Audio

You missed out Tannoy, or does Scottish not count as Pommy?
Or are they not worth considering?

**I missed out dozens of decent brands. You may care to note my words:
"...SOME Pommy brands worth considering..." I did not make that list all
inclusive.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Tell me Trevor, why does Australia and New Zealand manufacture so
little stuff for export? You'd think they could build some really cool
stuff but I just don't see any of it. A recent Stereophile article
lauds a superexpensive piano, but AFAIK goes on to say none are in
North America now. And their guitars are atrocious.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Tell me Trevor, why does Australia and New Zealand manufacture so
little stuff for export?

**There's a bunch of reasons, but the big one is historical. Back in the
1960s, Australia was the wealthiest nation on Earth (per capita). Our
considerable natural resources were dug up, grown and exported. We were (as
we used to say) "Riding on the sheep's back". We missed an excellent
opportunity to develop our own manufacturing industry in the 1950s and
1960s, due to this attitude. Australia, for instance, manufactured more
automobiles than Japan, during the early 1950s. For many years our
manufacturing industries have been protected by massive tarifs and taxes,
thus causing Aussie manufacturers to become complacent and lazy. Although
that time has finished, we are unlikely ever to catch up. Nowadays, things
are different. Australia's 'movers and shakers' are not interested in the
future. They're either interested in the here and now, the next election, or
the next profit announcement. Few take the long term outlook required to
build up decent manufacturing. There are a few exceptions, however. The very
excellent Pontiac GTO is one.
http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp...&pagename=home is an all
Aussie auto. Although the manufacturer is a GM subsidiary, they are
profitable and build autos uinque to this country. They, for instance, the
only GM subsiary which designs, engineers and builds it's own RWD,
independent suspension, large autos (at least that is what I'm told).

Now we have a mineral boom again and the cycle may well continue again. The
Aussie Dollar is rising (against the US) which will kill our manufactured
exports.

You'd think they could build some really cool
stuff but I just don't see any of it.

**Australia does build some cool stuff, but you don't see a lot of it.
Building stuff in Australia is often more difficult and more expensive than
in the US.

A recent Stereophile article
lauds a superexpensive piano, but AFAIK goes on to say none are in
North America now. And their guitars are atrocious.

**I understand that some Aussie guitars are pretty good, but that is not my
field of expertise.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Australia does build some cool stuff, but you don't see a lot of it.
Building stuff in Australia is often more difficult and more expensive than
in the US.

Let me put in a good word for the ARX audio gear here. Certainly not high
end gear, but it's built a good bit better than typical MI-grade equipment
and only priced a little higher. I think that's a place in the market that
isn't really filled very well.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Brian wrote:

Thanks Trevor and others for your reply's.
Could someone suggest a suitable system to replace the BOSE speakers.
I have a small sized room so a sub woofer with satellite speakers
(surround sound 5.1 setup) would be more suitable at around 100 watts.
The only speakers I have looked at so far are the Sony brand.

It all depends upon your budget. You can get something equal sounding
but with better bass from Energy(Take 5.2 system), or by spending $1000
or more, sound that is equal to or better than a movie theater.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
It all depends upon your budget. You can get something equal sounding
but with better bass from Energy(Take 5.2 system), or by spending $1000
or more, sound that is equal to or better than a movie theater.

If I were to judge by the last movie theater I visited, I'd have to say
movie theater sound sucks rocks. The last place I went, which is a
popular theater in a nice part of town, they had a very unnatural bass
boost. By ear I would say it was maybe 10 dB at around 100 Hz, or
maybe a little lower. It sounded atrocious. I don't know why people
would want to emulate them. Maybe other theaters are better, but
overall I can't say I look to movie theaters as a shining example of
high fidelity.

- Logan

Logan Shaw wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

It all depends upon your budget. You can get something equal sounding
but with better bass from Energy(Take 5.2 system), or by spending $1000
or more, sound that is equal to or better than a movie theater.


If I were to judge by the last movie theater I visited, I'd have to say
movie theater sound sucks rocks. The last place I went, which is a
popular theater in a nice part of town, they had a very unnatural bass
boost. By ear I would say it was maybe 10 dB at around 100 Hz, or
maybe a little lower. It sounded atrocious. I don't know why people
would want to emulate them. Maybe other theaters are better, but
overall I can't say I look to movie theaters as a shining example of
high fidelity.

Well, you can recreate the impact. The quality of a good system
in the $2000 or so range is vastly superior in terms of quality
and accuracy, of course.

But Bose just isn't going to cut it if you want a real movie
or live performance experience.

The subject line says it all, doesn't it? :-)
Help is needed all around: the company, the speakers,
and the victims er. customers.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:59:56 -0800, Richard Crowley wrote:
The subject line says it all, doesn't it? :-)
Help is needed all around: the company, the speakers,
and the victims er. customers.

Step 1: learn how to use a web browser
Step 2: learn how to go to a search site such as google and search for
"bose opinions"

Brian wrote:


Thanks Trevor and others for your reply's.
Could someone suggest a suitable system to replace the BOSE speakers.
I have a small sized room so a sub woofer with satellite speakers
(surround sound 5.1 setup) would be more suitable at around 100 watts.
The only speakers I have looked at so far are the Sony brand.

Regards Brian


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