"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Bobo tries his own version of the "debating trade".

I've got his speakers in house.

I won't assume you're prejudiced, but you are just one person.
You are, of course, entitled to hold any opinion you wish about his
speakers.
Unfortunately, I know nothing about your reputation as a reliable
observer
or reporter.
If you report that the speakers are good, I will not discount your
observation, but neither will I take it as settled that your
observations
are correct, unless they are confirmed multiple times by independent
observers.

Too bad you know so little about the backgrounds of the people you
choose to argue with.

One thing I can guarantee, as would anybody else who knows dave's
history with trots: If the speakers suck, we'll hear about it.

That's good news. It enhances Dave's credibility.

And if
they don't suck, doesn't that mean that your mighty winding about
"ripoffs" and "fraud" and all that is just you transferring your
dislike for Gregipus to his enterprise?

There is no question that by prejudging Greg's speakers, I am playing the
odds, which I believe to be very long against Trotsky. That said, Dave is
only one observer. It is somewhat characteristic of hifi aficionados to be
fond of novelty. If Dave likes the speakers, one cannot know for sure how
much of that is from surprise that they are listenable.

Consider the hypothetical outcome: The speakers are listenable, but are
surpassed by all or the the vast majority of speakers which sell for half
the price of the Jupiters, or more.

I don't believe that such an outcome would validate Trotsky's enterprise.
Nor do I believe that a superior cabinet finish should compensate for sonic
deficiency. The decision of the buyer is binary: buy Trotsky's speakers, or
buy something else. If Trotsky's speakers do not equal or surpass, they
should not be considered for purchase. In that case, my criticism of Trotsky
would stand.

If some multiple number of observers were to report listening experiences of
a nature that suggest that the speakers do surpass, and the majority of the
listeners were credible, then I would have to recant.

How do I judge credibility? There are three characteristics: a good ear, the
ability to encompass tastes other than one's own, and amiability. It is
highly unlikely that anyone familiar with this debate would trust my
judgement, because I am known in this group to be a contentious person. You,
Dave, I, and many other people share this characteristic, which robs us of
credibility. There are other individuals, who by their very lack of
contentiousness, rarely or never appear in this group. If they also possess
excellent listening skills, they are prospectively excellent judges.


As an aside, I'll grant that certain of trotsky's comments in the past
couple weeks have indicated he may be experiencing a fusion of his
persona with the Jupiter business. By that I mean he seems to believe
any criticism of his online behavior is a criticism of his speaker
enterprise. Of course, one can't be sure about such a conclusion given
the tenuousness of his overall grip on reality.

Trotsky is, by the very nature of his personality, a poor critic. He is
highly prejudicial in his own favor, believes that his listening skills
excel, and is not amiable. Many famous personalities in the speaker business
share this characteristic. However, they tend to have developed skills of
judgment that are less centric to their personalities in their previous
employment. For example, a recording engineer may be very prideful of his
listening ability, but from the perspective of what OTHER people will hear
in a recording. Thus, he has developed an objective sense of the anticipated
subjective experiences of others. Trotsky has never had the rigor of this
training, and he does not natively possess the ability.

As for the debating trade, I don't like it. You may consider the above to be
a backpeddle from my rant. I've already indicated the exquisiste pleasure
of humiliating Greg, and naturally, I hope the opportunity will continue to
present itself. But in the end, particularly if Greg manages to get a pair
into Manhattan, and Greg's speakers measure up, I will publicly make note of
the fact. Would I further be forced to rate Greg's speakers a "buy"? I
highly doubt it, but I value intellectual honesty more than winning an
argument.

And even if it this were the case, we'd have a fine French Farce for Google.
That's Entertainment!