"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:12:36 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:36:45 -0700, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:19:57 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
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I don't have an obseesion with anything other than the truth, which
is
why I
despise Greg.

Same here, regarding you, of course.

Please show one incident where I lied.

Truth having to do with "ultimate truth".

You have claimed to have judged Greg's speakers as mediocre and
overpriced. You've done this on the scantest evidence and a dislike of
the individual who built them.

I don't really care who built them, the drivers are 3rd rate

So you say. However, you've offered NO evidence.

and that has nothing to do with Greg being an ass. As to their being
overpriced, that's
an opinion I get to have and it's based on comparisons of other speakers
I
know of either finished or DIY.

And yet, you haven't heard these speakers, seen any measurement charts
or graphs on the drivers *or* the speaker as a whole, nor have you
heard the speakers in question. Therefore, you're only basing the
judgment of overpriced on the price of the drivers, not the quality of
them.

In one post, you admit that you need to
listen to speakers before evaluating. and yet, you have made numerous
proclamations about the quality of his speakers.

Revisonist history. Produce the exact quote.

Sure. Here's one.

Right. And the drivers the Silver Flutes are "knocking off" are
what,
exactly?

Who knows, who cares? They're mediocre at best, no matter how you
slice it".

Is "mediocre at best" a judgment on the quality of the speakers or
not?

It's a judgement on the quality of the drivers.

This sort of thing is disgusting, if you ask me.

So is your constant fabricating.

I just showed that I wasn't 'fabricating". How do you answer THAT?

It's another fabrication of course.

You've also claimed that you haven't made certain conclusions based on
certainstatements, when in fact you have in fact made those very
conclusions based on those very conclusions.

Can you be more vague?

Sure I could.

You've done just that in this very post. You made a proclamation about
his speakers (I could actually pull out quite a few more you know) and
then you tried to deny such statements.

I said his drivers are 3rd rate which they clearly are. You can't make a
silk purse, etc.

Until you can come to the table with facts about Greg's speakers,
facts that *could* lead a reasonable person to a certain conclusion, I
maintain that this is a certain form of "distorting the truth".

Until you take the trouble to learn how someone can look at the specs on a
given driver and know something of it's quality, there's no point in
explaining it furhter to you.

Until you learn what T/S parameters are you'll likely never understand
why I
judge them the way I do.

Could you be any more vague?

I am now in possession of Greg's speakers and I should be able to give
my own personal opinion of the sound and suitability of his speakers
in about a week. No, I won't be able to wave my arms wildly with
microphones and measure the FR like Howard. No, I won't be able to
spit out charts and graphs. But I'll be able to give some measure of
how they sound and perform and you can take it hoever you want.

Lucky you. It would be more informative I think, to compare them to
something in the same price range by a reputable mgr. or even a DIY kit
in
the same general price range. Even better if it could be done blind,
without the listener knowing which speakers he or she were listening to.

As we know, blind testing of speakers isn't necessary, right?

Not generally, but in this case it would be the only fair way to do it since
there is already a very large bias one way or another regarding Greg and his
speakers. I certainly wouldn't want to try and evaluate them in a
comparison that wasn't blind. If there are gross differences they will be
obvious but that's not the point I was making.

There's
too many gross differences in speakers to make blind testing
necessary, at least according to the blind testing mavens.

See above.

But I'll at least be able to say that I actually listened to them.

My condolences.

Actually, my first impressions of the speaker are such that I don't
feel any burden to have to listen to them. I'm not sure if the same
could be said of *your* speakers, if i apply the same sort of
standards that *you* do.

I given my reason for why I think his speakers are going to be inferior to
many others for the money. If you think they are a fair value then that's
an opinion you get to have. The simple fact is that for the money you can
get better performance for the same or even less money.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:24:05 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
wrote:

Is "mediocre at best" a judgment on the quality of the speakers or
not?

It's a judgement on the quality of the drivers.

adopting Yoda voice

Hopeless, you are.

dave weil said:

adopting Yoda voice

Hopeless, you are.

That's it! That's the voice Krooger was doing on The Recording.

Thanks for making the connection, dave.

"****ing garbage! ****ing garbage on my ****ing lawn, it is!"

George M. Middius a écrit :


dave weil said:


adopting Yoda voice

Hopeless, you are.


That's it! That's the voice Krooger was doing on The Recording.

Thanks for making the connection, dave.

"****ing garbage! ****ing garbage on my ****ing lawn, it is!"


NostraMiddius, why are you so coward ?
Please let us have more predictions, forget Dave and is favourite toy.

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:24:05 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
wrote:

Is "mediocre at best" a judgment on the quality of the speakers or
not?

It's a judgement on the quality of the drivers.

adopting Yoda voice

Hopeless, you are.

Uninformed, you remain.