One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around here.

On 22 Jan 2005 20:20:02 GMT, (Raymond) wrote:

One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around here.

Lace Sensors are what were originally in the Eric Clapton
signatures... I want to say two Blues w/ a Red in the bridge position,
but I could be wrong.
jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

Clapton used guitars with Fender's active "Lace Sensor" pickups in
them for awhile. They were not EMGs & I don't think Clapton ever used
EMGs. Personally I thought his tone and sound during that period was
the worst of his career... YMMV. IMO the best sounding pickups Fender
makes these days are the "69 Customs" which you can buy for about $100
a set.

Al

On 22 Jan 2005 20:20:02 GMT, (Raymond) wrote:

One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around here.

play_on wrote:
Clapton used guitars with Fender's active "Lace Sensor" pickups in
them for awhile. They were not EMGs & I don't think Clapton ever
used
EMGs. Personally I thought his tone and sound during that period was
the worst of his career... YMMV. IMO the best sounding pickups
Fender
makes these days are the "69 Customs" which you can buy for about
$100
a set.

Al

On 22 Jan 2005 20:20:02 GMT, (Raymond)
wrote:

One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric
Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm
thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100%
sure but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that
you can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really
like that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there
Lace Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup
designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet
around town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it
around here.


Somewhat off topic, but here is an interesting little program called
tone stack that shows the freq response of the various amplifier
designs including Fender.

It's fun to play with.
P.S. I have no affiliation with this site.

Mark

U¿ytkownik "Raymond" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm
thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure
but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you
can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like
that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace
Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup
designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around
town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around
here.

* There are more "strat" sounding pickups than EMG or Lace Sensors, that
are sounding .... "better" (if there can be such word in describing guitars
sound).
"Claptons" sound is not only a guitar, thats whats very important.

rock on keepin'

On 22 Jan 2005 13:59:37 -0800, "Mark" wrote:

Somewhat off topic, but here is an interesting little program called
tone stack that shows the freq response of the various amplifier
designs including Fender.

It's fun to play with.
P.S. I have no affiliation with this site.

Mark

It's fun to mess around with but I think this kind of stuff is pretty
silly since the player can alter the timbre and tone of the guitar so
much by the way he attacks the strings.

Al

the lace sensor thing was kind of silly. clapton's tone comes from
great playing, great amps, and strats with good quality wood and maple
necks.

the best thing to do is get a usa made strat with a maple neck and a
nice vibe to it that you can't quite explain. then load it with
staggered-polepiece pickups from this guy:

www.fralinpickups.com

by doing so imho you will have a guitar that you could hand to clapton
right before he went on stage and he wouldn't even think twice about
it. he'd simply go out and rip, through an *awesome amp*. that's
part of it too.

On 22 Jan 2005, (Raymond) wrote in
:

I do know that you can't get the EMG's any more

EMG pickups are still readily available. See http://www.emginc.com/.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:58:12 -0500, jtougas
wrote:

Lace Sensors are what were originally in the Eric Clapton
signatures... I want to say two Blues w/ a Red in the bridge position,
but I could be wrong.
jtougas
Yeah they are lace sensors, but I recall all of them being one color
is there a gold?

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:11:20 GMT, Paul Gitlitz
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:58:12 -0500, jtougas
wrote:

Lace Sensors are what were originally in the Eric Clapton
signatures... I want to say two Blues w/ a Red in the bridge position,
but I could be wrong.
jtougas
Yeah they are lace sensors, but I recall all of them being one color
is there a gold?

Yup. I think they were Gold, Silver, Blue & Red. I do not know off
the top of my head what the differences between them are, by way of
specifications.

jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

"Raymond" wrote in message
...
One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm
thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure
but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you
can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like
that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace
Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup
designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around
town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around
here.

I have played two signature Clapton strats and there is one feature in
particular that makes the sound stand out. IMO, it's the active midrange
boost from 0-25db (battery compartment routed out of body). When you turn
that off it sounds like any other strat with the same woods and pickups.
Clapton called it "that nice compressed sound" while a Fender engineer
assured the interviewer that it was just mid boost. I agree that it has a
somewhat compressed sound in that the tone has "body". One would think that
boosting the mids with post-guitar electronics would do the same thing but
the closest I've been able to get to it is thru a compressor.

The Clapton strat also uses the TBX tone control system but I think that
contributes much less to the overall sound than the mid-boost. I believe the
TBX parts are readily available and can be placed into any strat but the
mid-boost circuitry may not be so easy to get. The last time I looked
(almost 2 yrs ago), you could buy a 12db mid boost but not the 0-25db
version.

Blues

"Raymond" wrote in message
...
One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one".

I think he was deluding himself that if he spent money on his guitar he
would sound like EC.


geoff

The Lace Senor pickup sucks, IMHO. I have 2 of them in the neck position, in
a "parts tele" It came with 3 of them, but I put a Van Zandt in the bridge,
which is great!
I don't like the sound of either one of the alone, but with the brige
position combind, I can live with it.
The pickups in the guitar are not active.

Tom


"Raymond" wrote in message
...
One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm
thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure
but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you
can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like
that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace
Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup
designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around
town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around
here.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:52:17 -0500, "Blues_Jam"
wrote:

I have played two signature Clapton strats and there is one feature in
particular that makes the sound stand out. IMO, it's the active midrange
boost from 0-25db (battery compartment routed out of body). When you turn
that off it sounds like any other strat with the same woods and pickups.
Clapton called it "that nice compressed sound" while a Fender engineer
assured the interviewer that it was just mid boost. I agree that it has a
somewhat compressed sound in that the tone has "body". One would think that
boosting the mids with post-guitar electronics would do the same thing but
the closest I've been able to get to it is thru a compressor.


I looked at buying a SE1230 about the time these came out. I was
unhappy with my Gibson as I was becoming an electric player from
acoustic. I tried at a wack of different strats and loved the control
setup and variety of tones that I couldn't get with the Gibson, but
only the Clapton model stood out for me as a winner. This off course
is purely subjective to my style. As it turned out I bought a Yamaha
SE1230 strat copy that I got on trade strat across and it is a model
I've never seen since. It is all black slight metal fleck with gold
hardware (very classy like a tuxedo Les Paul), active pickups and a
nice twelfth fret inlay and through the body neck, but the topper is
the mid boost. It sound fantastic it doesn't have the classic Fender
sound, but a sound all it's own which is lovely. It's got a great neck
as well.

The Clapton strat also uses the TBX tone control system but I think that
contributes much less to the overall sound than the mid-boost. I believe the
TBX parts are readily available and can be placed into any strat but the
mid-boost circuitry may not be so easy to get. The last time I looked
(almost 2 yrs ago), you could buy a 12db mid boost but not the 0-25db
version.

I read about this last night when I looked on line to find out if they
were gold lace sensors as I recalled. I didn't know this when I'd been
lusting after one in the store. It's a cool feature.

Blues

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"jtougas" wrote in message
...
On 22 Jan 2005 20:20:02 GMT, (Raymond) wrote:

One of my clients said to me, "I played one of those old Eric Caption
Stratocaster's and I want to buy one". The way he described it I'm
thinking it
was one from the late 80's that came with EMG pickups, I'm not 100% sure
but
that's my best stab with out seeing or playing it. I do know that you
can't get
the EMG's any more and I have seen a few on E-bay (I don't really like
that way
of buying gear). I stumbled across Fenders web site and found there Lace
Sensor
pickups. So, has any one out there used or compared these two pickup
designs?
Are they anywhere near the same sounding? I have a Fender outlet around
town
here but there closed for the week end so I thought I'd throw it around
here.

Lace Sensors are what were originally in the Eric Clapton
signatures... I want to say two Blues w/ a Red in the bridge position,
but I could be wrong.
jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

No, the Clapton was 3 gold.

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Tommy B" wrote in message
nk.net...
The Lace Senor pickup sucks, IMHO. I have 2 of them in the neck position,
in
a "parts tele" It came with 3 of them, but I put a Van Zandt in the
bridge,
which is great!
I don't like the sound of either one of the alone, but with the brige
position combind, I can live with it.
The pickups in the guitar are not active.

Tom


I have a Strat Ultra, that has red, blue and silver lace sensors, and it
sounds absolutely outstanding.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:59:05 -0500, jtougas
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:11:20 GMT, Paul Gitlitz
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:58:12 -0500, jtougas
wrote:

Lace Sensors are what were originally in the Eric Clapton
signatures... I want to say two Blues w/ a Red in the bridge position,
but I could be wrong.
jtougas
Yeah they are lace sensors, but I recall all of them being one color
is there a gold?

Yup. I think they were Gold, Silver, Blue & Red. I do not know off
the top of my head what the differences between them are, by way of
specifications.

I don't know the differences but the ones Clapton used were paired
with an active circuit, which makes a big difference. The header of
this post says "the Fender sound" -- IMO the Lace pickups are not the
Fender sound.

Al

play_on wrote:

On 22 Jan 2005 13:59:37 -0800, "Mark" wrote:


Somewhat off topic, but here is an interesting little program called
tone stack that shows the freq response of the various amplifier
designs including Fender.

It's fun to play with.
P.S. I have no affiliation with this site.

Mark


It's fun to mess around with but I think this kind of stuff is pretty
silly since the player can alter the timbre and tone of the guitar so
much by the way he attacks the strings.

Al

Of course, but if the player still is not satisfied with the timbre and
tone, a program like this could give him a hint for better
resistor/capacitor values in the tone stack. And a general understanding
of how the thing works, too.

-jp

jp wrote:


Of course, but if the player still is not satisfied with the timbre
and tone, a program like this could give him a hint for better
resistor/capacitor values in the tone stack. And a general
understanding of how the thing works, too.


And the "tone stack" is what? Leo's clever little tone control
circuit?

S O'Neill wrote:

jp wrote:


Of course, but if the player still is not satisfied with the timbre
and tone, a program like this could give him a hint for better
resistor/capacitor values in the tone stack. And a general
understanding of how the thing works, too.



And the "tone stack" is what? Leo's clever little tone control
circuit?


Yes, that and a little Windows program called 'tonestack' that simulates
it among Tom's (vox), Jim's (marshall) etc tone control circuits You
can change the capacitor and resistor values and see how it affects on
the frequency response. If you're into modding amps, I think it is a
great tool. Along with the fender/marshall/vox tone circuits there is
some more exotic ones to experiment with. Freeware.

-jp

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:16:27 -0800, S O'Neill
wrote:

jp wrote:


Of course, but if the player still is not satisfied with the timbre
and tone, a program like this could give him a hint for better
resistor/capacitor values in the tone stack. And a general
understanding of how the thing works, too.


And the "tone stack" is what? Leo's clever little tone control
circuit?

You mean Western Electric's... but Leo did a lot of tweaking over the
years and so the different eras of amps sound really different. Then
there are the British amps which are way different.

Al

I've owned strats with the lace sensors and with out them.

They blow.

Gee, and I thought they sucked!

Tom

wrote in message
oups.com...
I've owned strats with the lace sensors and with out them.

They blow.