is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

wrote:
is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

Numerous other mics from EV:
RE10, RE11, RE15, RE16, RE18, PL11, PL95, PL6, DS35
as well as quite a few in the 600's series

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

None of these are quite Neumann or Schoeps grade but the
RE15 and 16 are reasonably flat with an acceptable high end.
(these are all dynamics we are talking about)

rd

Oh yeah ...
and any omni will not have the proximity effect.

What are you recording? At what distance? Are you in a studio with lots
of mics to pick from or are you buying a mic for a specific purpose?
What mics have you already tried for this?

"RD Jones" wrote in message
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wrote:
is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

Numerous other mics from EV:
RE10, RE11, RE15, RE16, RE18, PL11, PL95, PL6, DS35
as well as quite a few in the 600's series

Not the DS35; it has proximity effect. EV's application notes used to
compare it with the RE16, noting that you'd choose the DS35 if you wanted
the bass boost from proximity effect, the RE16 if you didn't.

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

None of these are quite Neumann or Schoeps grade but the
RE15 and 16 are reasonably flat with an acceptable high end.
(these are all dynamics we are talking about)

Also note that omnidirectional mics don't have proximity effect.

Peace,
Paul

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is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

Omnis anybody?

On 11 Jan 2005 20:34:45 -0800, wrote:

is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

Anything omni?
Or anything WITH proximity, but don't stand that close?

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In article .com,
wrote:
is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

For what?

ANY omni will have no proximity effect.

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

If you have to have directionality without proximity effect, you need a
variable-D design, and as far as I know EV is the only company that has
made such a thing. And they have made dozens of different kinds, from
the old EV 666 and 664 mikes on up through RE-15s and RE-16s and RE-20s.

But the real solution is probably to use an omni in most cases.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article .com writes:

is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

Any EV mic that they describe as "Variable D." Also, any omni mic.

If you have gobs of level, you probably don't need to worry about
directionality, so you might look at any of the "measurement style"
omni mics. You can spend a lot of money for a DPA, or you can spend
under $100 for a Behringer. Depending on what you really need, you
might be able to not spend a bundle.




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Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

For what?

ANY omni will have no proximity effect.

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

If you have to have directionality without proximity effect, you need
a
variable-D design, and as far as I know EV is the only company that
has
made such a thing. And they have made dozens of different kinds,
from
the old EV 666 and 664 mikes on up through RE-15s and RE-16s and
RE-20s.

But the real solution is probably to use an omni in most cases.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Shure had the SM53 and SM 54 (out of production) with
openings at the rear for "minimal proximity effect"
but these mics didn't have as smooth or extended response
as the EV's.
Most of the variable-D EV's are visually notable for the
'back-bone' or ribbed opening along the shaft.

rd

Scott Dorsey wrote:
There are, sadly, no condenser mics using the vari-D design as far as I
know...

Somebody should make one. The patents on the variable-d labyrinth have
surely all expired by now, and it would really be handy. It wouldn't take
much to add some baffling and piping to turn one of those Chinese capsules
into a nifty thing.
--scott

I agree. The only condenser mics I know of claiming no proximity effect are
the AT 4071a and 4073a shotguns. Years ago when EV announced they were
introducing a new line of condenser mics, I really, really hoped they'd
apply Variable-D to at least one. How capsule temperature can be more
important than a great feature like Variable-D is beyond me.

Jeff Jasper
Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.

Jean-Paul wrote:
I've been looking for a good condition SM53 for a while now.
I'd like to hear its overall response.

JP

Pop a Shure "Presence Adapter" onto an RE-15 and there you are, pretty much.

Jeff Jasper
Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

If you have to have directionality without proximity effect, you need a
variable-D design, and as far as I know EV is the only company that has
made such a thing.

Not quite; Shure's SM53 and SM54 were variable-D, although not as
effectively as EV's designs. I have to say I didn't like them all that much.

Peace,
Paul

wrote:
is there a mic besides the RE-20 that is known for minimal proximity
effect?

preferably something that can take a decent SPL without overloading.
something of an excellent quality (Neumann, Schoeps, Manley grade).

You mention some great mic brands there. Some of those mics have
continuously variable pattern controls, as you turn the pattern more
and more towards omni you can lessen the proximity effect, between that
and your filters and the talent adjusting how close they actually are
to the mic you can dial in the amount that works for you. So you aren't
just dialing in the room ambience by adjusting the pattern, your room
sound possibly being quite a non-issue depending, but you are also
dialing in how much proximity effect/bottom end you want.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
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thanks for the replies.

i've come to the realization that it's a set of killer "classical"
omnis i need.

In article .com,
wrote:
thanks for the replies.

i've come to the realization that it's a set of killer "classical"
omnis i need.

For what?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Paul Stamler wrote:
"RD Jones" wrote in message

Numerous other mics from EV:
RE10, RE11, RE15, RE16, RE18, PL11, PL95, PL6, DS35
as well as quite a few in the 600's series

Not the DS35; it has proximity effect. EV's application notes used to
compare it with the RE16, noting that you'd choose the DS35 if you
wanted
the bass boost from proximity effect, the RE16 if you didn't.

Thanks for the clarification, Paul.
If I was wrong about the DS35, then the PL95 is also
non-variableD without the 'backbone' since the PL95
was the ProLine version of the DS35, I believe.
Here's another:
AKG's D200E, D202, D224 series.

rd

RD Jones wrote:
Here's another:
AKG's D200E, D202, D224 series.

Are you sure about that? The D202 sure sounds like it has a bass boost
when you close-work it to me.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
RD Jones wrote:
Here's another:
AKG's D200E, D202, D224 series.

Are you sure about that? The D202 sure sounds like it has a bass
boost
when you close-work it to me.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Not absolutely. I referrenced the 202 with the others based on
similar design/construction of the 3 and AKG's description:
"wide - range frequency response, independent of working distance and
angle..."

http://www.akg.com/mediadatabase/psf...5d4023eb41.zip

Maybe 'reduced' proximity effect that your highly tuned
ears are picking up ...
My D200E actually seems to boost the high end at
very close distances. Is it possible that the front element
is boosting it's 'low-end' at or near the crossover freq. ?

rd

We still don't know what the application is here. Without even knowing
that, I might suggest a pair of Earthworks mics which would be in the
middle of the price range and have wide range of applications with
minimal proximity.

We still don't know what the application is here. Without even knowing
that, I might suggest a pair of Earthworks mics which would be in the
middle of the price range and have wide range of applications with
minimal proximity.

So what is the application?

ActiveSoundLarry wrote:
We still don't know what the application is here. Without even knowing
that, I might suggest a pair of Earthworks mics which would be in the
middle of the price range and have wide range of applications with
minimal proximity.

Really no proximity effect at all, since they are omnis.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."