"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

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"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?


Much copied and now totally tiresome. Avoid it.

geoff

Well basically its using Autotune or some pitch correcting program set to
extreme settings to get that effect.


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"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:14:08 -0800, alanh_27 wrote:

"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

According to the producer, it was a Digitech vocal effects stomp box,
rather than Autotune. I read that in an SOS inteview so time ago, though
it sure sounds like Autotune to me.

Anyway, don't the sustained notes in the vocals sound like a loop of a
tiny bit of audio rather than a voice in places to you, with no modulation
or expression at all?

On 2005-01-16, wrote:

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

She used autotune as a flanger effect for her voice -- it's all over the
track. A bunch of people copied it, it became a sylistic element.

On 2005-01-16, Sugarite wrote:

She makes people vomit by wearing slutty clothes at age 50.

59, and today is her birthday. Shame on me for knowing that.

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On 2005-01-16, Sugarite wrote:

She makes people vomit by wearing slutty clothes at age 50.

59, and today is her birthday. Shame on me for knowing that.

Although most of her face is probably under 5 years old......

Geoff

Autotune blends a synthesised vocal range "instrument" in with the original
voice when it senses the vocal is off key. You can adjust how much synth vs.
how much voice. The Cher effect is very synth heavy.

Neil R

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On 2005-01-16, Sugarite wrote:

She makes people vomit by wearing slutty clothes at age 50.

59, and today is her birthday. Shame on me for knowing that.

Although most of her face is probably under 5 years old......

Geoff

definition of the "Cher Effect" = Lots of plastic ,wigs and youger men.





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"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

On 2005-01-16, wrote:

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?



One of these is more than likley the effect used in "Life After Love" (if
thats what your looking for).

http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Rocke...ocketMain.html

"Neil Rutman" wrote in message
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Autotune blends a synthesised vocal range "instrument" in with the
original
voice when it senses the vocal is off key. You can adjust how much synth
vs.
how much voice. The Cher effect is very synth heavy.

Neil R


???

Autotune is 100% wet, so its not the mix.....

the Cher effect is created when the retune rate is set to zero, thus
"quantising' the pitch instantly.

with slower Retune times, the effect becomes less obvious, and when applied
judiciously, is relatively inaudible. Although mostly , its not used
judiciously, and it 'sticks out like dogs ********.'

Although, I recall in an SOS mag that the guys who did "Believe" claim it
was done with a phaser and a Korg vocoder.
Funny, since the *identical* effect can be easily obtained by setting the
retune to Zero.......


Anyway....FWIW..........

Geof

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59, and today is her birthday. Shame on me for knowing that.

Shame on you for finding out.

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Although, I recall in an SOS mag that the guys who did "Believe" claim it
was done with a phaser and a Korg vocoder.
Funny, since the *identical* effect can be easily obtained by setting the
retune to Zero.......


Here's the article in full:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9...81bb7c10 7528

FWIW I've heard people say he tells the story different every time (changing
what it actually was that did the effect) though it's pretty irrelevant as
it could be done a number of different ways.

In article writes:

Autotune is 100% wet, so its not the mix.....

the Cher effect is created when the retune rate is set to zero, thus
"quantising' the pitch instantly.

That's sure what it sounds like, and that was the speculation when the
record came out, but I recall reading an article with an interview
with the the engineer or producer who described how they did the
"Believe" vocal. It didn't involve AutoTune. There may have been
AutoTime applied to get it in tune (don't they do that routinely now?)
but the effect was done with something else, which of course I don't
remember.


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Gentlemen, We are speaking of an OSCAR winning actress here! It's true that
I still think of her as &Cher, and that her best perfomance was at Sonny'
funeral, no matter.
Sonny was the brains, except at skiing, He knew what he had, & ran with it.
Even back then, he knew image was everything.
One thing I'm pretty sure of, that &Cher had nothing to do with that effect,
and the effect itself was a "happy accident". You know, when you're fooling
around with new technology, accidents happen!
I know of a singer, I shall call him "Meatball", and after 40 something
tracks to get a "comp vocal", you too might look at Auto-tune as the Holy
Grail. The other posts might tell you how to achieve the effect, but I will
ask you, why would you want to? As for pitch correction, these days, you can
go in and change the pitch on any note you wish without AT, but since AT has
a "sound", that's very well known,, it's still useful to create that sound.

Tom









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"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind, but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector?

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"?

They may "say" they did it differently, but when you have to do it yourself
and accomplish it using aututune, a good bet is it was autotune.


"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article writes:

Autotune is 100% wet, so its not the mix.....

the Cher effect is created when the retune rate is set to zero, thus
"quantising' the pitch instantly.

That's sure what it sounds like, and that was the speculation when the
record came out, but I recall reading an article with an interview
with the the engineer or producer who described how they did the
"Believe" vocal. It didn't involve AutoTune. There may have been
AutoTime applied to get it in tune (don't they do that routinely now?)
but the effect was done with something else, which of course I don't
remember.


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On 2005-01-16, Sugarite wrote:

She makes people vomit by wearing slutty clothes at age 50.

59, and today is her birthday. Shame on me for knowing that.

She's as old as my grandmother.. I wouldnt have guessed she was 59. What
times we live in.


--
Jim
[It's called an "Equalizer" not a "Compensator".]

On 16 Jan 2005 11:14:08 -0800, wrote:

"Believe" is imprinted rather well in my mind snip

Yes, it should be. Listening to that bitch is rather like taking a
Skil saw to your brain.

but I'm not certain why
folks say that the pitch-correction processing on this thing is extreme
relative to other pop songs. snip

"Extreme?" It's used as an EFFECT! It's also disgusting.

I _do_ hear all sorts of effects, but I
don't hear any obvious "correction".... which presumeably is the goal
of a corrector? snip

To make talentless bitches like Cher, Ashlee Simpleton, Britney
Spears, et al into prefab superstars.

Can I get a definition of the "Cher Effect"? snip

Easy.

-Take one short Italian guy with a lust for money.
-Tell Phil Spector he's really "normal" and an OK dude.
-Add one waitress with crooked teeth, no real talent, but big lungs
and jugs.
-BS the entire recording industry that they're the hottest thing since
sliced bread. (Offering drugs helps)
-Get a TV show using same BS used above, cover up lack of talent by
booking top names every week. Sing same pop single every week at
close of show until studio audience starts to barf when they hear
it...then cancel show.
-Wear the sleaziest outfits imaginable, preferrably on national TV.
-Dump short Italian after he's served his purpose, get a heroin and
alcohol addicted three-finger Hammond player instead.
-Dump the above.
-Pay top dollar to the best hype experts in the business.
=Bellow retro-disco music through an AutoTune to keep it on pitch and
keep industry people from laughing at you.
-Declare yourself THE pop diva.

Bingo...."Cher Effect."

dB

Cher's "jugs" were not originally all that mammoth. And still aren't.

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Cher's "jugs" were not originally all that mammoth. And still aren't.

At least they stop her looking too anorexic around the waist....

geoff

I heard it on the radio this morning and I'd say it is definately a vocoder.
It's only on during the stepping pitch shift thing, but the tone suddenly
changes to a "squashed" filtered sound, unlike the autotune artifacts, which
you can hear on a lot of the remaining vocals.





"Iain Fraser" wrote in message
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They may "say" they did it differently, but when you have to do it
yourself and accomplish it using aututune, a good bet is it was autotune.


"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article writes:

Autotune is 100% wet, so its not the mix.....

the Cher effect is created when the retune rate is set to zero, thus
"quantising' the pitch instantly.

That's sure what it sounds like, and that was the speculation when the
record came out, but I recall reading an article with an interview
with the the engineer or producer who described how they did the
"Believe" vocal. It didn't involve AutoTune. There may have been
AutoTime applied to get it in tune (don't they do that routinely now?)
but the effect was done with something else, which of course I don't
remember.


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Your memory is correct, it was described in an article in Sound on Sound.

regards,

Sytze



http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9...197e0ec1 55da




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In article writes:

Autotune is 100% wet, so its not the mix.....

the Cher effect is created when the retune rate is set to zero, thus
"quantising' the pitch instantly.

That's sure what it sounds like, and that was the speculation when the
record came out, but I recall reading an article with an interview
with the the engineer or producer who described how they did the
"Believe" vocal. It didn't involve AutoTune. There may have been
AutoTime applied to get it in tune (don't they do that routinely now?)
but the effect was done with something else, which of course I don't
remember.


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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:03:32 GMT, "Ricky W. Hunt"
wrote:

Here's the article in full:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9...81bb7c10 7528

FWIW I've heard people say he tells the story different every time (changing
what it actually was that did the effect) though it's pretty irrelevant as
it could be done a number of different ways.

So many ways to make a nasty sound. So few to make a good one :-)

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On 17 Jan 2005 20:24:45 -0800, wrote:

Cher's "jugs" were not originally all that mammoth. And still aren't. snip

True, they were originally skeeter bites, then swelled up, then
deflated. Maybe they have Schrader valves on them.

dB

DeserTBoB wrote:

-Dump short Italian after he's served his purpose, get a heroin and
alcohol addicted three-finger Hammond player instead.

Don't be dis'n Greg. He's done well with those three fingers, and even
better with his voice. And besides all that, he's Duane's brother.