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Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
area?

Bellsouth?


It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
expect
to
find in their books, but it doesn't show up.


you are really obsessed with this!
Not nearly as much as he is with me.

Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.

No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.

I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
person's
identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
years.
I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
received from a questionable source.

Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
behavior with
your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on the
matter.


That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
identity, my professional activities

They are still opinions.

(about which you actually know
nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).

Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.

There is a difference
between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and over
again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
disbelieve.

It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
way to
know if they are true, they are hearsay.

Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use a
variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).

I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
assure you
it was not "fale."


For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
differently than other people do that post there.

That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
make no
difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.

People post on
recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.

And you seem to relish the insult part.

To
expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
and unfair.

Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when
you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
gasoline?

You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
my use
of
legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about my
mental
state.

I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.

But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
diagnostic terms about people you don't know.

You
have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.

I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
calling
people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.

As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no way
of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
voice an opinion.

You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
about
something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
you
accuse me of doing.



Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
"legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using many
prescriptions at the same time.

An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
which is also not true.

It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them, I
would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount
of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
pain. I'm
going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
a
viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
is not
something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
risks,
far more than from oxicontin.

BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he was
obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
a far
safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
Tylenol.


Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
situation.
BTW, you are wrong for your
inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
Its the hydrocordone.

No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
long a
time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
effects to
your health.

Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.

Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
functioning.



Which one of the two is most dangerous?
Tylenol or hydrocone?
Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?

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Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
area?

Bellsouth?


It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
expect
to
find in their books, but it doesn't show up.


you are really obsessed with this!
Not nearly as much as he is with me.

Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.

No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.

I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
person's
identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
years.
I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
received from a questionable source.

Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
behavior with
your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on the
matter.


That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
identity, my professional activities

They are still opinions.

(about which you actually know
nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).

Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.

There is a difference
between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and over
again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
disbelieve.

It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
way to
know if they are true, they are hearsay.

Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use a
variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).

I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
assure you
it was not "fale."


For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
differently than other people do that post there.

That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
make no
difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.

People post on
recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.

And you seem to relish the insult part.

To
expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
and unfair.

Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when
you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
gasoline?

You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
my use
of
legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about my
mental
state.

I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.

But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
diagnostic terms about people you don't know.

You
have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.

I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
calling
people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.

As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no way
of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
voice an opinion.

You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
about
something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
you
accuse me of doing.



Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
"legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using many
prescriptions at the same time.

An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
which is also not true.

It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them, I
would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount
of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
pain. I'm
going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
a
viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
is not
something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
risks,
far more than from oxicontin.

BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he was
obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
a far
safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
Tylenol.


Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
situation.
BTW, you are wrong for your
inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
Its the hydrocordone.

No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
long a
time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
effects to
your health.

Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.

Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
functioning.



Which one of the two is most dangerous?
Tylenol or hydrocone?
Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can
kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can
simply be from taking it for a long period of time.

Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.

Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of Tylenol.

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Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
area?

Bellsouth?


It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
expect
to
find in their books, but it doesn't show up.


you are really obsessed with this!
Not nearly as much as he is with me.

Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.

No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.

I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
person's
identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
years.
I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
received from a questionable source.

Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
behavior with
your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on the
matter.


That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
identity, my professional activities

They are still opinions.

(about which you actually know
nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).

Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.

There is a difference
between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and over
again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
disbelieve.

It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
way to
know if they are true, they are hearsay.

Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use a
variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).

I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
assure you
it was not "fale."


For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
differently than other people do that post there.

That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
make no
difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.

People post on
recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.

And you seem to relish the insult part.

To
expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
and unfair.

Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when
you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
gasoline?

You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
my use
of
legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about my
mental
state.

I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.

But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
diagnostic terms about people you don't know.

You
have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.

I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
calling
people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.

As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no way
of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
voice an opinion.

You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
about
something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
you
accuse me of doing.



Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
"legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using many
prescriptions at the same time.

An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
which is also not true.

It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them, I
would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount
of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
pain. I'm
going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
a
viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
is not
something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
risks,
far more than from oxicontin.

BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he was
obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
a far
safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
Tylenol.


Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
situation.
BTW, you are wrong for your
inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
Its the hydrocordone.

No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
long a
time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
effects to
your health.

Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.

Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
functioning.



Which one of the two is most dangerous?
Tylenol or hydrocone?
Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol can
kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse, it can
simply be from taking it for a long period of time.

Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.

Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of
Tylenol.


I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error)
not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same.

Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol.

Oxycontin is not exactly the

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Who is the provider of regular phone service in the
Miami
area?

Bellsouth?


It's just that there's this person's phone number you
would
expect
to
find in their books, but it doesn't show up.


you are really obsessed with this!
Not nearly as much as he is with me.

Another lie from McKelvy, obviously.

No, just my impression, given the amount of bandwidth you are
using.

I'm not the person that has been spreading lies about another
person's
identity, professional activities, credentals, etc. for
almost 7
years.
I'm also not the person that has passed on false email
information
received from a questionable source.

Neither am I. I'm just a guy who can't reconcile your on line
behavior with
your stated profession, and have therefore expressed my onion
on the
matter.


That's a lie. You've repeatedly made false statements about my
identity, my professional activities

They are still opinions.

(about which you actually know
nothing oher than what I've mentioned on RAO).

Which is the same as knowing nothing for sure.

There is a difference
between expressing an "opinion" (the word you use to describe
your
lies), and making statements that have been contradicted over
and over
again by concrete evidence that you've seen but chosen to ignort
or
disbelieve.

It's not so much that I disbeleive them, it's that there is no
way to
know if they are true, they are hearsay.

Also, are you denying that you passsed on fale email
information (which you never bother to even try and verify) from
a
questionable source (one who had never met me and was known to
use a
variety of sockpuppet personae on RAO).

I'm not denying that I passed along info from an E-mail. I
assure you
it was not "fale."


For the zillionth time, one of the fallacies in your thinking is
that
when a professional person goes on a recreational newsgroup,
they
should treat it as an extension of their office, or somehow,
behave
differently than other people do that post there.

That does not excuse the behavior you exhibit here. It would
make no
difference in how I regard you as an RAO participant.

People post on
recreational newsgroups to have a little fun, have a few laughs,
and
unfortunately, in the case of RAO, often insult other people.

And you seem to relish the insult part.

To
expect one person to refrain while others take pot shots is
unrealistic
and unfair.

Why? What harm can it do to ignore them? You sound like a child
when
you say things like that. You think you put out fire with
gasoline?

You are the person who has been spread lies and innuendo about
my use
of
legally prescribed pain medications and making false claims
about my
mental
state.

I've made it clear that any statements I make about *anybody's*
mental
state on RAO refers only to their online behavior and nothing
else.

But if you are a psychologist as you claim, and for now let's
assume
that is true, it is reckless an unprofessional to use legitmate
diagnostic terms about people you don't know.

You
have lied at claimed that I've "diagnosed" people on RAO, which
is
clearly not the case. You've also implied that I've been guilty
of
ethical lapses, when in fact none have ever existed.

I only know that if I had your credentials, I would not be
calling
people delusional and insane at the drop of a hat.

As for your use of legally prescribed pain medications, I have
no way
of knowing whether or not you use them responsibly, so I'm free
to
voice an opinion.

You have freedomn of speech, but to make state such opinions
about
something you have no knowledge of is exactly the same as what
you
accuse me of doing.



Let's recall that Rush Limbaugh also used a lot of
"legally prescribed pain medications" but apparently, he was
using many
prescriptions at the same time.

An now you seem to imply that I am using more than one
prescription,
which is also not true.

It's pretty simple. They dull the pain, if I could live without
them, I
would gladly do so. I've spent a fair amount of time and a large
amount
of money trying to use non-narcotic methods to get rid of the
pain. I'm
going to be in touch with yet another doctor to see if surgery is
a
viable option. As I'm sure you are aware, surgery on one's spine
is not
something you do if it not required, there are some very serious
risks,
far more than from oxicontin.

BTW, Rush may have been taking far more than he should have, but
he was
obviously in charge of his life in all other ways. Oxicontin is
a far
safer drug than the much more abused Vicoden which contains
Tylenol.


Mikey, I truly do have empathy for your suffering that medical
situation.
BTW, you are wrong for your
inference that the Vicodin is dangerous because of Tylenol.
Its the hydrocordone.

No, to much Tylenol can shut down your liver when taken over too
long a
time. If you take hydrocodone responsibly, there are no harmful
effects to
your health.

Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.

Art, I've actually seen people end up in Intensive Care Units after
Tylenol overdoses. It's not infrequently used in suicidal gestures in
my clinical experience, and yes, it *can* interfere with liver
functioning.



Which one of the two is most dangerous?
Tylenol or hydrocone?
Which is the one that makes it a prescription drug?
They are both dangerous for different reasons. As I explained Tylenol
can kill you or shut down your liver. This doesn't have be from abuse,
it can simply be from taking it for a long period of time.

Oxicontin can kill in one dose if you take more than you can tolerate.

Long term sensible use of oxicontin is safer than long term use of
Tylenol.


I asked about hydrocodone (sorry about my spelling error)
not oxycontin. They are not exactly the same.

OxiContin is hydrocondone in a time release form. From the PDR:
OxyContin is an opioid agonist and a Schedule II controlled substance with
an abuse liability similar to morphine.
Oxycodone can be abused in a manner similar to other opioid agonists, legal
or illicit. This should be considered when prescribing or dispensing
OxyContin in situations where the physician or pharmacist is concerned about
an increased risk of misuse, abuse, or diversion.
OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone
hydrochloride indicated for the management of moderate to severe pain when a
continuous, around-the-clock analgesic is needed for an extended period of
time.
OxyContin Tablets are NOT intended for use as a prn analgesic.


The chemical formula is 4,
5(alpha)-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride.
Oxycodone is a white, odorless crystalline powder derived from the opium
alkaloid, thebaine. Oxycodone hydrochloride dissolves in water (1 g in 6 to
7 mL). It is slightly soluble in alcohol (octanol water partition
coefficient 0.7). The tablets contain the following inactive ingredients:
ammonio methacrylate copolymer, hypromellose, lactose, magnesium stearate,
polyethylene glycol 400, povidone, sodium hydroxide, sorbic acid, stearyl
alcohol, talc, titanium dioxide, and triacetin.
The 10 mg tablets also contain: hydroxypropyl cellulose.
The 20 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and red iron oxide.
The 40 mg tablets also contain: polysorbate 80 and yellow iron oxide.
The 80 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2, hydroxypropyl cellulose,
and yellow iron oxide.
The 160 mg tablets also contain: FD&C blue No. 2 and polysorbate 80.

Codeine is an alkaloid, obtained from opium or prepared from morphine by
methylation. Codeine phosphate occurs as fine, white, needle-shaped
crystals, or white, crystalline powder. It is affected by light. Its
chemical name is: 7,8-didehydro-
4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6(alpha)-ol phosphate (1:1)
(salt) hemihydrate.

The hydrocodone component is
4,5(alpha)-epoxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one tartrate (1:1) hydrate
(2:5), a fine white crystal or crystalline powder, which is derived from the
opium alkaloid,


Now I will also ask the same question about codeine vs Tylenol.

Oxycontin is not exactly the
They are both derived from Opium. AFAIK they have the same risks and side
effects.