I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
rap...

where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode
I am comfused...

On 11 Jan 2005 08:01:29 -0800, (bj) wrote:

I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
rap...

where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode
I am comfused...


Can you hear a difference? Which sounds best? What's wrong with the
sound with NO compression? Can you correct this by improving your
microphone technique and/or your singing technique?


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"bj" wrote in message
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I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
rap...

where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode
I am comfused...

Either of those settings are a good place to start. Then tweak until it
sounds right. It all depends on the voice and how it fits in the mix.
There are no magic bullets applicable to everything.

Steve King

bj wrote:
I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
rap...

where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

You cannot. You have to use your ears.

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode
I am comfused...

There are no magical numbers. Spend an afternoon and get a sense of what
the knobs do. In "super nice" mode, the knee is very soft, so it might be
more obvious to hear what is going on in regular mode. Get a sense for
what goes on when you move each control.

If you increase the attack, you will get less overshoot, but then you will
also get less of a sense of sharpness and bite as the attack on the note
is squashed. If you increase the decay, you will get less of a sense of
reverb as the note dies out. Adjusting the threshold adjusts the level at
which the compression begins.

Start with all the controls at 12:00, then start turning them and listening
to what happens when you adjust each one. Don't believe ANYONE who gives you
a bunch of magic settings and tells you to use them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

bj wrote:

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode
I am comfused...



Start by reading the manual and looking at the front panel. That
threshold knob is in dB, not "6:1"; that one's the ratio knob.

That may help with the confusion.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

If you increase the attack, you will get less overshoot, but then you
will
also get less of a sense of sharpness and bite as the attack on the
note
is squashed. If you increase the decay, you will get less of a sense
of
reverb as the note dies out. Adjusting the threshold adjusts the
level at
which the compression begins.

Scott, wouldn't increasing the attack (time) let *more* of the initial
transients though, leaving more 'bite' and 'sharpness'? And by decay,
you mean release on the RNC, right?

To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
manual for suggested settings, I believe.
Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
This sig is haiku

bj wrote:

I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
rap...

where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode

There is no such thing anymore than there is one shoe size for people
with brown hair and another for people with blond hair. A compressor is
a musical instrument; like any instrument you must learn to play it by
practicing and listening.

--
ha

In article .com,
wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:

If you increase the attack, you will get less overshoot, but then you
will
also get less of a sense of sharpness and bite as the attack on the
note
is squashed. If you increase the decay, you will get less of a sense
of
reverb as the note dies out. Adjusting the threshold adjusts the
level at
which the compression begins.

Scott, wouldn't increasing the attack (time) let *more* of the initial
transients though, leaving more 'bite' and 'sharpness'?

Hmmm.... I am thinking of increasing the attack speed and not the attack
time. So you're right, since the RNC control is calibrated that way.

And by decay,
you mean release on the RNC, right?

Right.

To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
manual for suggested settings, I believe.

This is because the onset of compression in SN mode is much, much more
gradual. Rather than an abrupt knee, it is a much softer action.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

hank alrich wrote:

A compressor is a musical instrument; like any instrument you must
learn to play it by practicing and listening.


I can't agree, though I see what you are getting at. A musical
intstrument is the source of a sound, the starting point. The compressor
should not be the source, but rather a sound "shaper".

Joe Sensor wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

A compressor is a musical instrument; like any instrument you must
learn to play it by practicing and listening.



I can't agree, though I see what you are getting at. A musical
intstrument is the source of a sound, the starting point. The compressor
should not be the source, but rather a sound "shaper".


Unless, of course, you are listening to the 45 of "Revolution".

In article writes:

My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
release

then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
in SNmode

Your guide book is just that - a guide book. The "setting" for your
recording (not your "voice") is whatever sounds right to you. What
makes you think you need any comrepssion at all? Just because someone
else does?

I'm pretty sure there are some tips on the FMR web site. Did you check
that out?

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here's a basic starting point:
1) use the regular mode on the RNC when doing single track recording
2) use the super-nice mode when mixing several tracks
3)put all the knobs in the middle, then lower the threshold until you
see about 2 red lights blink on the RNC when you sing, and maybe 4
lights when you crank a loud note.
4) then adjust from there.
5)on the output of the RNC, adjust the volume so your recorder
registers a few db below digital zero. you want a hot signal, but not
digital overload.

In article , (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
manual for suggested settings, I believe.

This is because the onset of compression in SN mode is much, much more
gradual. Rather than an abrupt knee, it is a much softer action.
--scott

I would also add that SN mode seems to use a long decay time. It works
quite nicely so that the unit rides the level smoothly. I tend to
shorten the release and speed the attack. Threshold and ratio depend on
source and material.

jackfish wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:

To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
manual for suggested settings, I believe.

This is because the onset of compression in SN mode is much, much more
gradual. Rather than an abrupt knee, it is a much softer action.

I would also add that SN mode seems to use a long decay time. It works
quite nicely so that the unit rides the level smoothly. I tend to
shorten the release and speed the attack. Threshold and ratio depend on
source and material.

IIRC, SN mode multiplies attack and decay times by 3 realtive to what's
shown on the front panel settings, in addition to applying three
separate knees on the attack side. Could be wrong, of course.

--
ha