"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"Hans" wrote in message
k

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

That's just beside the point.

It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the
deed to Usenet, we can talk again!

Usenet do have a set of necessary basic rules. Without theese rules there
would be totally chaos, no reason for topics, senseless discussions without
purpose, completely waste of time.

It's clearly stated that any debate is
unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.

This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate.

Again, the topic and comments indicated that this was a Survey/poll, and not
a general debate for and against the medias. Fairly simple to understand for
everybody.


As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally
screwed up.

It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a
real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive.


Maybe, but you surely made a fine job screwing it up, just like a bull in a
china store.

If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free
to start a new topic.

The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free
pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its
probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing
those portions of it that aren't already available on CD.


You're quite a guy. Without knowing anything at all about my preferences you
surely assumes a lot. I've been a collector of records since the 60., and in
mid 80. i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
collection together with the rest of my equipment, and since then i switched
to digital media. No point in starting a new record collection.

I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with this
media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube based
line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and a Threshold
SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard to handle. This
combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect match for me, because the
tubes gives the music a certain touch of being there, and the Threshold can
deliver power enough to pass on all the details together with a beautiful
sound stage. Please feel free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your homework
before you attack them.

/ Hans

"Hans" wrote in message
k
"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a
free pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl
collection, its probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain,
you can start digitizing those portions of it that aren't already
available on CD.

You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

Without knowing anything at all about my
preferences you surely assumes a lot.

Let's see. I said:

"Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive."

I've been a collector of
records since the 60., and in mid 80. i had about 1600 lp's. Someone
then decided to steal my entire collection together with the rest of
my equipment, and since then i switched to digital media. No point in
starting a new record collection.

Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again sense
wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.

In short, I may have sensed state of mind, not state of current collection
of recordings.

The big difference between you and me is that I sold off my 1,200+ LP
collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because I quickly
became disappointed with their sound quality.

I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
behavior.

I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
homework before you attack them.

Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
signals and got others sorta right.

BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
now.

Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"Hans" wrote in message
k

You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

I have no hidden agendas whatsoever. I just had a hope that this topic would
be interesting to follow.

Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again
sense
wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.


Off course. I had a lot of records never since published on cd. I made a
choice and never looked back. Water under the bridge.

I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
behavior.


I'll just leave all the beating and attacking to you. You're really good at
that.

I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
homework before you attack them.

Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
signals and got others sorta right.

I don't think so, not even close.

BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
now.

I've been active since fido-net, so your Google must be defective, or you
can't guess my sir name. It's by the way in my e-mail address.

Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.

Maybe it's because that i normally don't bother to discuss with trolls like
you, but you will fit nicely in my kill filter, so mr. Krueger:

PLONK

Don't bother to answer, you're gone.

/ Hans

Hans wrote:


"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"Hans" wrote in message
k

You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

I have no hidden agendas whatsoever.

I don't think that any of us except Krueger thought you did. But then again,
he has some rather strange and paranoid ideas about "agendas". He tends tapply
them to almost all who disagree with him.



I just had a hope that this topic would
be interesting to follow.


I think that you will find that aside from those of us who are continually
attacked bvy Krueger because we don't happen to share his anti-vinyl,
anti-tube, anti-individual-preference, (and I guess we now have to add
pro-mass-market) biases, others will answer your question in a factual,
nonagrumentative way.

For the record (no pun intended), I have about 1600 LPs and 200 CDs. I enjoy
listening to both formats, but spend most of my listening time enjoying LPs. I
also have what I would consider to be a high-end mobile audio system (I do a
lot of driving to various hospitals, ERs, etc.) which is primarily tape-based
(Nakamichi TD-1200 Type 2 Mobile Dragon). Therefore, I do a lot of home taping
from my record/CD collection so that I can enjoy both formats in my car. I
prefer not to take chances with possible CD recorder/CD car player
incompatibility issues that can come up when dealing with CD-RW's and CD-R's.







Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again
sense
wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.


Off course. I had a lot of records never since published on cd. I made a
choice and never looked back. Water under the bridge.

I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
behavior.


I'll just leave all the beating and attacking to you. You're really good at
that.

I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
homework before you attack them.

Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
signals and got others sorta right.

I don't think so, not even close.

BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
now.

I've been active since fido-net, so your Google must be defective, or you
can't guess my sir name. It's by the way in my e-mail address.

Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.

Maybe it's because that i normally don't bother to discuss with trolls like
you, but you will fit nicely in my kill filter, so mr. Krueger:

PLONK

Don't bother to answer, you're gone.

/ Hans












Bruce J. Richman

Hans said to ****-for-Brains:

Don't bother to answer, you're gone.

If only it were that easy.........

"Hans" wrote in message
k
"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"Hans" wrote in message
k

You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

I have no hidden agendas whatsoever.

Then you're not self-aware. You and Richman make quite a pair.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:48:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
. dk
"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a
free pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl
collection, its probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain,
you can start digitizing those portions of it that aren't already
available on CD.

You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

that just about says it all...

Arny said

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.



I said

Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
describe how such a system favors LPs.


Arny said

Been there done that.


I said


Typical dodge when caught in your bull****. You don't have an answer
do you?

Arny said


Of course I have an answer which is reproduced below. You're quite
delusional, aren't you sockpuppet Wheel?


Personal attack noted. It is you who are simply wrong about the facts here.
there is no such system cited below. alluding to an unspecified system is not
what i asked for. There is no mention of the actual components in any system
anywhere in your post. You know, speakers, electronics and the like.






Arny said

When CD's first came out I was an early adopter. I
found that my vinyl-based system (TD-125/SME 3009II/Shure V-15) came
up short when it came to exploiting CD technology.

I said


Just because your old system sucks does not mean my current system is
balanced for LPs.

Arny said


Irrelevant to the question you asked, sockpuppet "Wheel".

Wrong. It is totally relevant. I asked you to cite an example of a system that
is balanced to favor LPs. You didn't do it. You went on about your old crappy
system which is irrelevant.


Arny said

Here, I'll
reproduce it for you to jog your memory. Perchance you're suffering from
senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?


"S888Wheel" wrote in message


Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
describe how such a system favors LPs.


Yes Arny, I know what I asked you. You haven't offered an answer yet.


Arny quotes me


Your failure to answer the question just shows your
comment was empty antivinyl propaganda.


Arny said


When you keep changing the question and denying you asked the question you
just asked, it gets a little hard to appear responsive, sockpuppet "Wheel".


No and no. I have not changed the question, I have not denied I asked the
question I asked and you have not answered the question. It is a simple
question. Obviously the problem is you cannot answer it because your original
claim is bull****.




Arny said

For one thing, my existing system was great for playing LPs as far
as they went, but it lacked the bass response and dynamic range that
CDs seemed to demand.

I said


Again your old crappy system has nothing to do with my question.


Arny said


Prove that my old system was crappy, Sockpuppet Wheel.

Why? You have adnitted as much in kinder words.

Arny said


BTW, your comment is irrelevant to the question you asked,

That is only because your response was irrelevant.

Arny said

sockpuppet
"Wheel".

Bizarre attempt at a personal attack noted. If you think I am a sockpuppet
doesn't that mean you are talking to a sockpuppet? wouldn't that make you a bit
ridiculous?

Arny said

Here, I'll reproduce it for you to jog your memory. Perchance
you're suffering from senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?


No Arny, I am not suffering from any such problems. Personal attack noted. I
remember what I asked as stated before. You still have yet to answer it.



Arny said

It sounded harsh and strained on CDs until I upgraded it
appropriately.


I said


Since you fail to mention what the upgrades were or what the harsh
sounding CDs were , for all we know, you dumbed down your system to
compensate for crappy sounding CDs.


Arny said


You didn't ask what the upgrades were,

No I didn't. It should be obvious to anyone that without stating what they were
your post lacked the needed perspective to have any meaning. So what I said is
true, for all we know you were dumbing down your system to compensate for
crappy CDs. You also need to disclose what CDs you were listening to if your
post is to have any meaning to others.

Arny said


Given that you can't remember a simple question you asked from one post to
the next sockpuppet Wheel, that seems futile.


Your attempt to dance around a simple question based on manufactured personal
attacks is noted. Since you seem to now be familiar with the question given you
have repeted it now several times, why not try answering it? Oh yeah, that
would show you were full of crap to begin with.

Rest of redundant and irrelevant post deleted for sake of other readers

I said


Arny, you are in way over your head in this area. Don't make a fool of
yourself. You already told us about your equipment.


Arny said


You just said that I didn't tell you about my equipment or its upgrades.


Nope. We know what turntable you have to be specific. I have no idea what
speakers and electronics you had when you got your first CD player and I have
no idea what speakers and electronics you bought when you "upgraded" your
system.

I said


Why go through all this anecdotal crap without naming any brand names
when all you had to do was answer a straight question?


Arny said

You didn't ask for brand names, sockpuppet "Wheel". Why would I remember all
these details about brand names 20 years later? I'll reproduce the question
you did ask for you to jog your memory with.

Perchance you're suffering from
senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?


You are redundant if nothing else. But lets look at that question.


" Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and describe
how such a system favors LPs"

Wow, you have repeted it now numerous times and you still don't get it. Your
anecdote fails to cite any specific system "balanced to favor LPs." All of your
posts fail to do so. Do you know how to cite a system? You name the components.
That requires one to name brand names and models. Duh.

I said



Cite an example of an actual system that has been balanced for LPs then
explain how it is balanced for LPs. Then we can compare and contrast
it to my system which you claim is balanced for LPs.

Arny said


Since the sound quality and timbre of a system is highly dependent on the
room its in, that's a ludicrous question and an impossible analysis.


Given the fact that you made the claim about systems being balanced to favor
LPs including my system your inability to be able to cite such a system simply
further demonstrates what a load of crap your claim was about systems being
balanced to favor LPs. What a shock.

Arny said for the umpteenth time.


I'll reproduce the question you asked for you to jog your memory with.
Perchance you're suffering from senile dementia and your short-term memory
is shot?


"S888Wheel" wrote in message




Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
describe how such a system favors LPs.


This question seems to have quite a bit of latitude for possible answers,
no?

One would think so. So given the multitude of possible answers why is it you
cannot come up with one?


Arny said


You will notice that many LP bigots (Greg Singh
was a example of a RAO regular with this problem) just don't seem to
be able to find the subwoofer of their dreams, and this can be one
reason why.

I said


Then explain those of us who have found such subwoofers to our
satisfaction and other speaker systems with full base extension that
still prefer LPs.

Arny said


Does such a person exist?

Yes.

Please provide a specific example with all brand
names and models. Include complete details of sound and vibration isolation.

Oracle Delphi MkV table. Graham 2.0 arm. Audioquest 7000 cartridge. Audio
Research Reference phono preamp, Audio Research reference 600 amps. Vandersteen
model 5 speakers. The only isolation is that which is built into the Oracle
table. This just one example.

Arny said




If there are no problems with the CD side of their system, why would they
prefer LP?


Because it sounds better to them. Duh

Arny said


They finally took steps to straighten
out the timbre cartridges or get cartridges that could be spectrally
straightened out.
It generally didn't take too long for them for forget
about vinyl anyway because not much new is happening in that
market,
relatively speaking.


I said


Wrong, as usual when it comes to LPs.

Arny said


If everybody still remembers and uses LPs, why have their sales fallen by
about 99% of market share?


Irrelevant to the issue. You made a claim that not much new is happening in the
LP market. That is clearly wrong. Sales percentage has nothing to do with it.

I said


There is plenty going on. You just don't know about it or care about it.

Arny said


Heck, even vinyl bigots admit that there are relatively few new LP releases
compared to the massive number of CD releases.

Your claim was an absolute claim not a relative comparitive claim. So your
point is irrelevant as usual. There are plenty of releases on LP to keep LP
enthusiasts quite happy. There is plenty going on in the LP market. You are
simply wrong.

Arny said

Are you really so delusional
as to think that the number of LP releases compares favorable to the number
of Cd releases?

Are you really so delusional that you think I made any such claim? Are you so
delusional that you cannot see that your claim made no reference to CDs in
comparison and that it was an absolute claim and a false claim?

Arny said

If so, provide recent audited statistics from an independent
source to back up your claims.


Are you so delusional about my claims that you are now demanding a back up
claims I never made?

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote in :

Today, most of my friends who still listen to vinyl routinely do so by means
of CD-R proxies. Several of them have become quite expert at straightening
out the well-known deficiencies of vinyl, often delivering a musical product
that is quite CD-like. IOW quiet, running at the right speed, and with
pleasant, even realistic dynamics and spectral balance. All through the
*magic* of digital processing.

Errm... magic? Did you mean to use quotation marks and instead used
asterisks, or were you really highlighting the fact that digital
processing is "magical" to you?

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."