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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
"S888Wheel" wrote in message
Arny said And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles. Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel: "S888Wheel" wrote in message "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music." In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right? Wrong. Wrong. There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the football world. In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that was asked. It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in audio. Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet "Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain it to you at your level. |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: For one thing, my existing system was great for playing LPs as far as they went, but it lacked the bass response and dynamic range that CDs seemed to demand. It sounded harsh and strained on CDs until I upgraded it appropriately. Once I did that it never sounded as good as it had with LPs. LOL! Nice 'upgrade'. Of course my listening standards had undergone a wholesale upgrade along the way. Ah. I see where this is going. -- Thine |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
Arny said
And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles. Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel: "S888Wheel" wrote in message "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music." In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right? I said Wrong. Arny said Wrong. Wrong. I said There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the football world. Arny said In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that was asked. Wrong. I said It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in audio. Arny said Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet "Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain it to you at your level. No. It's just that when it is so poorly done like this it really goes under my feet more or less. |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
Dave Weil wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:41:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Hans" wrote in message .dk "Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Hans" wrote in message k "Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse ... Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs. "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following two questions:" Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above text? Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech. That's just beside the point. It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the deed to Usenet, we can talk again! It's clearly stated that any debate is unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread. This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate. As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally screwed up. It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive. If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free to start a new topic. The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing those portions of it that aren't already available on CD. Now the world can see that it's actually Mr. Krueger who is attempting to dominate RAO by imposing his will on the group, not guys like Middius, boon and myself. It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re. preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity. Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO. He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of contact with reality on a daily basis. Bruce J. Richman |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re. preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity. Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here. A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an "extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection. You can't even admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he admits to liking more than one type of source material. Do you really expect anybody to believe your? Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO. Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong! Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger? Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing list of flame targets? And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily basis. LOL! Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt laughing at his own ineptitude. He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of contact with reality on a daily basis. 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on. ROTFLMAO! Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda. ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl, anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality! Bruce J. Richman |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re. preference for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity. Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here. A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an "extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection. I don't have to because I never said that this is necessarily how things are. Richman, you're either suffering from delusions or short-term memory loss. Here's what I said that is relevant: "Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive." Note that this says nothing certain about his preference or non-preference for vinyl. You can't even admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he admits to liking more than one type of source material. I don't believe that Hans has made a public statement about his preference for vinyl. I see two posts by him, neither of which says anything direct about his preference for vinyl or CD. My statement is obviously speculative, based on its use of the word "probably". Do you really expect anybody to believe your? Next time a complete sentence, please? Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO. Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong! Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger? Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question. Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing list of flame targets? Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question. And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily basis. You can look up those words in a dictionary and get as close to my meaning as you need to, Richman. LOL! Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt laughing at his own ineptitude. Non-sequitor following a number of non-responsive comments. Senile dementia, anybody? He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of contact with reality on a daily basis. 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on. ROTFLMAO! Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda. None of these are mainstream companies. Mainstream companies like Pioneer probably lose more units in shipping in a month than the whole lot of these make in several years, altogether. ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl, anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality! Richman is obviously in total denial of the fact that all of these *major* commercial forces in his imagination are tiny boutique brands with a miniscule share in the total market for audio components. |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
Arny Krueger wrote:
Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re. preference for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity. Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here. A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an "extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection. I don't have to because I never said that this is necessarily how things are. Another lie from the delusional Krueger. You've indictred yourself by your own words below. Unfortunate that as usual, you can't admit that you continually try and distort what others say and then lie repeatedly. You really are quite delusional and totally without conscience, as are classic sociopaths. Richman, you're either suffering from delusions or short-term memory loss. Here's what I said that is relevant: You're not qualified to evaluate the mental status of other people. About the only thing you *are* qualified to do, Krueger, and only by experience, not talent, is to distort and misrepresent what others have said. "Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive." Note that this says nothing certain about his preference or non-preference for vinyl. So, are you now going to claim that people "enjoy" media that they don't prefer? Does this also explain why you encouraed Hans to "grow a brain"? LOL! You can't even admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he admits to liking more than one type of source material. I don't believe that Hans has made a public statement about his preference for vinyl. I see two posts by him, neither of which says anything direct about his preference for vinyl or CD. My statement is obviously speculative, based on its use of the word "probably". You speculate about many things, but never identify them as such, except when forced to admit that you're making it up as you go along, as in this case. You also have been proven to be a compulsive liar about many documented facts on RAO. And no, I don't have to cite Google records, as they are readily available, and many on this NG have come to the same conclusioin regarding your compulsive lieing. Do you really expect anybody to believe your? Next time a complete sentence, please? The sorry response from an exposed compulsive liar. When once again exposed as a sociopathic liar and anti-vinyl, anti-individual preference propagandist, he tries to discredit others by relying on smearing smelling errors. Of course, the retarded sociopath known as Krueger regularly makes spelling errors, grammatical mistakes, and frequently also makes incomprehensible statements. This has been pointed out many times by those who just laugh at his inability to communicate in logical, rational terms with his many "enemies". LOL! Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO. Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong! Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger? Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question. In other words, you can't explain it and are afraid to admit that you just like to flame people that disagree with your anti-vinyl, anti-individual preference campaign against all who don't buy your self-serviing PC-driven hogwash. Thanks for once again showing us all your stupidity and cowardice. Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing list of flame targets? Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question. Yet another example of Krueger's inability to answer reasonable questions when confronted with his own anti-vinyl, anti-individual propaganda attempts. About all this sociopath can do is cut-and-paste his repetitive lies. Apparently, he's out to multiply his lies by using a more efficient method than having to repeat them through normal conversation. Quite appropriate for this robotic flamer to use cut-and-paste methodology as a substitute for the more normal interpersonakl dialogue at which he has proven to be so inept. And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily basis. You can look up those words in a dictionary and get as close to my meaning as you need to, Richman. IOW, Krueger, you can't define it and now admit that you just throw out derogatory terms and engage in name-calling in a futiloe effort to brainwash others. Quite predictable for an anti-vinyl, anti-individual-preference flamer such as yourself. LOL! Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt laughing at his own ineptitude. Non-sequitor following a number of non-responsive comments. Senile dementia, anybody? Illogical, irrational response from a paranoid and quite delusiional, proven compulsive liar. He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of contact with reality on a daily basis. lack of response duly noted. Obviously, Krueger couldn't dispute this factual observation. His daily ravings about vinyl, sockpuppets, conspiracies, etc. provide quite convincing evidence of his poor ties to reality 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on. ROTFLMAO! Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda. None of these are mainstream companies. Mainstream companies like Pioneer probably lose more units in shipping in a month than the whole lot of these make in several years, altogether. Of course, to Krueger, mainstream is no doubt defined by rack system hardware and who can sell the cheapest products on the open market. Once again, this anti-vinyl, anti-individual-preference shill for the digitization and computerization of all sonic material, fails to deal with the reality of RAO. His McDonald's/statistics arguments have been shown to be as fllawed as logic in his prior attempts to "lie with statistics" re. vinyl sales and other facts of life with which he disagrees. Given his parnoid distrust of high-end audioi manufacturers, publications, and all who enjoy the expression of individual preferences, his deliberate attempt to deny the significance of all the companies lilsted above is quite predictable. He really should start his own NG, where he, DimTim, and McKelvey can debate the merits of rack systems. I'd suggest they call it rec.digitalaudio.bestbuy. ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl, anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality! Richman is obviously in total denial of the fact that all of these *major* commercial forces in his imagination are tiny boutique brands with a miniscule share in the total market for audio components. Krueger is obviously unable to communicate with readers of a newsgroup in which brands other than mass-markett Japanese rack systems and their components is the main focus of conversation. His delusional, paranoid thoughts about many respected, long-term audio manufacturers with unassailable credentials just serves to illustrate his total lack of reality contact. No wonder his credibility when it comes to disussing 'audio opinions" - the subject of this group by title - especially as it relates to what most people here actually use in their everyday listening systems - is totallly absent. Let;s hear from all the Pioneer users who agree with Krueger's deluisional assessment of what people on audio NG's listen to in terms of their equipment and music sources!!! ROFLMAO!!! at this PC/digital-driven robot's inability to recognize what RAO posters listen to and use in their daily musical environments. Hint: Pioneer and similkar Japanese mass-market brands are not at the top of the list. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
You're probably right. Brands associated essentially with computer gear don't require such Krueger-alien properties as sensitivity, emotion, or preference to be "utilized" or is that "ditigitized". I love it when borderline sociopaths like Richman start fantasizing that inanimate objects have emotion. It really shows how alien they are to humanity. As long as they can be robotoically switched on and off, that's good enough. I think your list of his preferred "gear" is quite comprehensive, but in all fairness, you should have probably also included WalMart. You're free-associating, Richman. I never shop at WalMart or KMart. But maybe a little Target. |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
Fool Moi tries to follow in the foolish footsteps of fool Richman. Trouble
is, Moi is even a bigger fool than Richman. At least Richman can do a credible job of dropping names for his favorite market niche. "Moi" wrote in message On 06 Aug 2003 16:27:50 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman) wrote in : 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on. ROTFLMAO! Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda. Watching Richman marginalize himself is really pretty funny. There's actually a valid mainstream audio company on that list - Shure. I suspect that Shure does more business in a year than the whole rest of the list put together. But phono cartridges are a very minor part of their business. No fools, they. I suspect Krooger isn't too familiar with those names. I own or have owned products made by Conrad Johnson, Rega, Thorens, Grado, and Shure. I think you should pump these out to give the Kroo-man a sense of recognition: Creative Labs, Soundblaster, Altec Lansing, Seagate, Plextor, Fraunhofer, MP3, Kazaa, Napster, Grokster, Sony, Labtec... Your blatant ignorance is showing again sockpuppet "Moi". Plextor is in fact the market quality leader when it comes to CD & DVD drives. Seagate is one of the companies that leads the hard drive market. The name Sony is well known as a quality brand in the audio marketplace, as well as the computer market. None of these companies have a reputation for being cheap. In fact, in their respective markets, they are well known for premium-priced products. Ahh -- "Cheepniss." Sockpuppet Moi, you can't even spell proper forms of the word cheap right, which makes you wrong and stupid-looking on yet another level. The Kroo will be in familiar territory here -- if it's made of plastic (maybe a little thin sheet aluminum) and breaks in less than 2 years, it receives the official seal of Kroog-approval as "modern" and "good specs - recommended." You've shown yourself to be an ignoramus yet again, sockpuppet Moi. Welcome back to RAO, you'll fit right in with the others like you. You can stand over there with Middius and Phillips. When I saw you first post again here several days ago Moi, I was wondering how many pleas for help you'd have to receive from Middius and his clique before you got your hands dirty again. So what did those guys do to get you to come back? Obviously, they know they are losing their collective asses and needed help in the worst way. And here you are Moi, giving them help in the worst way! ROFLMAO! You do laughing hyena well, sockpuppet Moi. --- "It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off." No audio engineers, no new recordings of music. Yet another example of your ignorance and short-sightedness, sockpuppet Moi. |
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People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basic survey/poll
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:37:50 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote in : When I saw you first post again here several days ago Moi, I was wondering how many pleas for help you'd have to receive from Middius and his clique before you got your hands dirty again. So what did those guys do to get you to come back? Actually, I'll tell you precisely why I came back. I happened to browse by Furious.com, and read the latest couple editions of Boon's "Vinyl Corner" articles there... in one of them, he mentions the audio newsgroups (either this one specifically, or the rec.audio.* newsgroups in general). After reading his (imo excellent) columns, I thought "hmmm, oh yeah. Wonder what's happening on rec.audio.opinion lately." It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil "Middius and his clique" influences, etc. You really need some help, my friend -- you've created a self-fulfilling prophesy with your paranoia. Nobody's out to get you but you think they are, so you act accordingly -- which makes people want to "get you." ROTFL! Cheers... --- "It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off." |
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