"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
(no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more
of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?

Yes, you have the right to make an ass of yourself...

Weil, you seem to have usurped the local franchise for doing that...

What's unclear about " Weil, quit while you are only a this far behind"?

This just shows the fact that your hatred of the format guides your
responses on this forum.

Do I hate LP? Well lets put it this way, I was pretty tired of the obvious
audible shortcomings of the LP about 20 years ago. I think that all these
attempts to resuscitate it are pretty strange.

The good news is that the LP CPR is getting more and more veiled, and
despite all the mega-efforts, the format seems to be riding off into the
sunset. Just let digital simulations of the holy rites of dance club
turntablism get a little more reliable, and that will be that.

Oh yeah, failure to follow instructions duly noted.

Asked and answered once, but far be it from Weil to comprehend simple
English when it goes against his ideology.

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
(no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more
of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

Yes, you have the right to make an ass of yourself...

Weil, you seem to have usurped the local franchise for doing that...

What's unclear about " Weil, quit while you are only a this far behind"?

Actually, the phrase "only a this far behind" doesn't make sense in
the English language.

This just shows the fact that your hatred of the format guides your
responses on this forum.

Do I hate LP? Well lets put it this way, I was pretty tired of the obvious
audible shortcomings of the LP about 20 years ago. I think that all these
attempts to resuscitate it are pretty strange.

The good news is that the LP CPR is getting more and more veiled, and
despite all the mega-efforts, the format seems to be riding off into the
sunset. Just let digital simulations of the holy rites of dance club
turntablism get a little more reliable, and that will be that.

Oh yeah, failure to follow instructions duly noted.

Asked and answered once, but far be it from Weil to comprehend simple
English when it goes against his ideology.

No, you didn't answer it.

"dave weil" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
(no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around here have
brought the matter to his attention, even after it was pointed out. Just
goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the group.

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
(no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around here have
brought the matter to his attention, even after it was pointed out. Just
goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the group.

So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
that you're decrying here?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
complete the following two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
group.

So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
that you're decrying here?

Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm decrying, if
you can.

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
news On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
complete the following two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
group.

So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
that you're decrying here?

Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm decrying, if
you can.

Show me where I said "exactly".

You lose.

Again.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
news On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
k

"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
complete the following two questions:"

Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the
above text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known
vinyl bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds
richer, warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than
playback. So the LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear
in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
group.

So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
that you're decrying here?

Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm
decrying, if you can.

Show me where I said "exactly".

Well then Weil your comparison is meaningless. You're free associating,
again.

Arny said


And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.


Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:


"S888Wheel" wrote in message



"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more

of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."


In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?


Wrong. There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the football
world. It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as
in audio.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message

Arny said


And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.


Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:


"S888Wheel" wrote in message



"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more

of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."


In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?


Wrong.

Wrong.

There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the
football world.

In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that
was asked.

It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in
audio.

Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet
"Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain
it to you at your level.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

For one thing, my existing system was great for playing LPs as far as they
went, but it lacked the bass response and dynamic range that CDs seemed to
demand. It sounded harsh and strained on CDs until I upgraded it
appropriately. Once I did that it never sounded as good as it had with LPs.

LOL!

Nice 'upgrade'.

Of course my listening standards had undergone a wholesale upgrade along the
way.

Ah. I see where this is going.

--
Thine

Arny said


And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.


Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:



"S888Wheel" wrote in message


"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
richer,warmer, more complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
LP brings more

of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."


In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
right?

I said


Wrong.


Arny said


Wrong.


Wrong.

I said


There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the
football world.

Arny said


In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that
was asked.

Wrong.

I said


It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in
audio.


Arny said


Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet
"Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain
it to you at your level.

No. It's just that when it is so poorly done like this it really goes under my
feet more or less.

Dave Weil wrote:


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:41:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Hans" wrote in message
.dk
"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"Hans" wrote in message
k
"Arny Krueger" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.


"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
(no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
two questions:"


Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
text?

Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

That's just beside the point.

It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the
deed to Usenet, we can talk again!

It's clearly stated that any debate is
unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.

This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate.

As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally
screwed up.

It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a
real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive.

If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free
to start a new topic.

The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free
pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its
probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing
those portions of it that aren't already available on CD.

Now the world can see that it's actually Mr. Krueger who is attempting
to dominate RAO by imposing his will on the group, not guys like
Middius, boon and myself.







It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re.
preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening
time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger,
nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and
stupidity.

Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories
about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube
hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual
posters than any other participant in RAO.

He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of
contact with reality on a daily basis.



Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any
claims re. preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what
proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the
delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of
"extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity.

Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here.


A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an
"extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection. You can't even admit that
you attacked him without provocation simply because he admits to liking more
than one type of source material. Do you really expect anybody to believe
your?



Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid
theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl,
anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised
by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO.

Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you prefer tubes
and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong!


Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger? Why did you decide to add
yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing list of flame targets?
And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for all of us who see
you use this derogatory term on an almost daily basis.




LOL!


Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt laughing at
his own ineptitude.



He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his
lack of contact with reality on a daily basis.

21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody
knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.

ROTFLMAO!





Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley
Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis,
Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many
others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to
Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda.

ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl, anti-tube,
anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality!




Bruce J. Richman

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any
claims re. preference for vinyl or given specifics about what
proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's,
the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse"
him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity.

Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here.


A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an
"extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection.

I don't have to because I never said that this is necessarily how things
are.

Richman, you're either suffering from delusions or short-term memory loss.
Here's what I said that is relevant:

"Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive."

Note that this says nothing certain about his preference or non-preference
for vinyl.

You can't even
admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he
admits to liking more than one type of source material.

I don't believe that Hans has made a public statement about his preference
for vinyl. I see two posts by him, neither of which says anything direct
about his preference for vinyl or CD. My statement is obviously speculative,
based on its use of the word "probably".

Do you really expect anybody to believe your?

Next time a complete sentence, please?

Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid
theories about those who don't share his anti-preference,
anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and
beecome despised by more individual posters than any other
participant in RAO.

Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you
prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong!

Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger?

Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.

Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing
list of flame
targets?

Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.

And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for
all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily
basis.

You can look up those words in a dictionary and get as close to my meaning
as you need to, Richman.

LOL!

Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt
laughing at his own ineptitude.

Non-sequitor following a number of non-responsive comments. Senile dementia,
anybody?

He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his
lack of contact with reality on a daily basis.

21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like
everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.

ROTFLMAO!

Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL,
Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall,
Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A.
Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been
reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his
delusional and paranoid propaganda.

None of these are mainstream companies. Mainstream companies like Pioneer
probably lose more units in shipping in a month than the whole lot of these
make in several years, altogether.


ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl,
anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality!

Richman is obviously in total denial of the fact that all of these *major*
commercial forces in his imagination are tiny boutique brands with a
miniscule share in the total market for audio components.

On 06 Aug 2003 16:27:50 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
wrote in :


21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody
knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.

ROTFLMAO!





Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley
Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis,
Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many
others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to
Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda.

I suspect Krooger isn't too familiar with those names. I think you
should pump these out to give the Kroo-man a sense of recognition:

Creative Labs, Soundblaster, Altec Lansing, Seagate, Plextor,
Fraunhofer, MP3, Kazaa, Napster, Grokster, Sony, Labtec...

Ahh -- "Cheepniss." The Kroo will be in familiar territory here -- if
it's made of plastic (maybe a little thin sheet aluminum) and breaks
in less than 2 years, it receives the official seal of Kroog-approval
as "modern" and "good specs - recommended."

ROFLMAO!

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."