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on the subject of DVD and TV sound...
Hi,
Took me a while to decide to post here as I'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't know where else to go to find answer. Here goes, I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. The problem is that when I tried it on a regular TV set, it sounded like an incredibly horrible screechy and noisy horror. I understand that regular TV speaker are not that good, but this was frankly horrible. Questions: Can this be fixed somehow, so it doesn't sound so noisy and screechy on a TV? Without removing what makes the essence of the sound? When you mix/master for DVD's, do you take into account regular TV speakers, or do you assume everybody with a DVD also has proper sound system and so you don't bother with it? An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg Thank you for any advice you can give me, and also for the great knowledge that is shared in this group. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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From: "deco_time"
Date: 10/1/04 4:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Hi, Took me a while to decide to post here as I'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't know where else to go to find answer. Here goes, I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. The problem is that when I tried it on a regular TV set, it sounded like an incredibly horrible screechy and noisy horror. I understand that regular TV speaker are not that good, but this was frankly horrible. Questions: Can this be fixed somehow, so it doesn't sound so noisy and screechy on a TV? Without removing what makes the essence of the sound? When you mix/master for DVD's, do you take into account regular TV speakers, or do you assume everybody with a DVD also has proper sound system and so you don't bother with it? An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg Thank you for any advice you can give me, and also for the great knowledge that is shared in this group. It seams that you have little knowledge about the tracking, editing, mixing and mastering of the recording process. Its really hard to describe the whole thing here but I'll give you a hint. If you want a true professional sounding product, start with well written material, this includes all spoken/singing lines, background music and special effects (this is even more important with sound that is backing up a video/film presentation). Next use professional musicians, singers and speakers with a true pro behind the controls of the recording gear. Then you put them into the correct environment for what parts your recording (don't try and record a loud acoustic drum set in a closet), use the right microphone for what your recording in the correct placement. You have to listen in a well designed room, last but far from least, good pro speaker monitors and use good pro recording gear. All that go's for the tracking part! Some of these things will cary over into the other process of production, you will want the same well designed rooms for any overdubbing and that same control room for mixdown and mastering and of coarse good gear all around. It is a good idea to check all your mixes on as many different systems you can get your hands on, car CD player, boom box just about anything you can think of. |
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"deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. --The REAL Nick Delonas |
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"deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. --The REAL Nick Delonas |
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In news:Raymond typed:
It seams that you have little knowledge about the tracking, editing, mixing and mastering of the recording process. Its really hard to describe the whole thing here but I'll give you a hint. If you want a true professional sounding product, start with well written material, this includes all spoken/singing lines, background music and special effects (this is even more important with sound that is backing up a video/film presentation). Next use professional musicians, singers and speakers with a true pro behind the controls of the recording gear. Then you put them into the correct environment for what parts your recording (don't try and record a loud acoustic drum set in a closet), use the right microphone for what your recording in the correct placement. You have to listen in a well designed room, last but far from least, good pro speaker monitors and use good pro recording gear. All that go's for the tracking part! Some of these things will cary over into the other process of production, you will want the same well designed rooms for any overdubbing and that same control room for mixdown and mastering and of coarse good gear all around. It is a good idea to check all your mixes on as many different systems you can get your hands on, car CD player, boom box just about anything you can think of. What we do is release specialty video about shipwrecks of the St-laurence rivers. We expect to release about 1000 copies to local dive shop and dive club; As you can see, we have no money for professional, one day in a professional studio and we're bankrupt. Now, I don't want to use other people material as I consider that to be stealing, so we have to do everything on our own, with softwares and equipements that we can afford; but I am willing to go the distance to make it sound as good as humanly possible with what we have. Thank you for answering. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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In news:Raymond typed:
It seams that you have little knowledge about the tracking, editing, mixing and mastering of the recording process. Its really hard to describe the whole thing here but I'll give you a hint. If you want a true professional sounding product, start with well written material, this includes all spoken/singing lines, background music and special effects (this is even more important with sound that is backing up a video/film presentation). Next use professional musicians, singers and speakers with a true pro behind the controls of the recording gear. Then you put them into the correct environment for what parts your recording (don't try and record a loud acoustic drum set in a closet), use the right microphone for what your recording in the correct placement. You have to listen in a well designed room, last but far from least, good pro speaker monitors and use good pro recording gear. All that go's for the tracking part! Some of these things will cary over into the other process of production, you will want the same well designed rooms for any overdubbing and that same control room for mixdown and mastering and of coarse good gear all around. It is a good idea to check all your mixes on as many different systems you can get your hands on, car CD player, boom box just about anything you can think of. What we do is release specialty video about shipwrecks of the St-laurence rivers. We expect to release about 1000 copies to local dive shop and dive club; As you can see, we have no money for professional, one day in a professional studio and we're bankrupt. Now, I don't want to use other people material as I consider that to be stealing, so we have to do everything on our own, with softwares and equipements that we can afford; but I am willing to go the distance to make it sound as good as humanly possible with what we have. Thank you for answering. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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In news:Nick typed:
"deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? We might have a language barrier here (I'm french speaking), I don't know what "overmodulate" means. If you mean the level, it was kept well below 0dB. The sound came from software synthesizer, kept digital all the time, and addition from CS2X outboard synth recorded dry trough an audiophile 2496 and also well below 0dB (peaked around -6dB). No effect added to the sound appart from synth (I have all the Kjaerhus effect and some Voxengo's, haven't learned how to use yet). An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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In news:Nick typed:
"deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? We might have a language barrier here (I'm french speaking), I don't know what "overmodulate" means. If you mean the level, it was kept well below 0dB. The sound came from software synthesizer, kept digital all the time, and addition from CS2X outboard synth recorded dry trough an audiophile 2496 and also well below 0dB (peaked around -6dB). No effect added to the sound appart from synth (I have all the Kjaerhus effect and some Voxengo's, haven't learned how to use yet). An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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The clip sounds fine on good speakers. Now you just need to make it sound
okay on crappy ones too. I'm between gigs at the moment so I've got some spare time. If you send me the whole file at its highest fidelity, I'll give it a look and clean it up for you if I can. If I spot a major problem, I'll let you know. If you want to do that, send it to delonas AT cultv DOT com or email me and I'll tell you where to send a CD-R. If it works out and I can fix it, maybe send me a copy of the finished video. -- The real Nick Delonas http://ironia.net http://cultv.com "deco_time" wrote in message ... In news:Nick typed: "deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? We might have a language barrier here (I'm french speaking), I don't know what "overmodulate" means. If you mean the level, it was kept well below 0dB. The sound came from software synthesizer, kept digital all the time, and addition from CS2X outboard synth recorded dry trough an audiophile 2496 and also well below 0dB (peaked around -6dB). No effect added to the sound appart from synth (I have all the Kjaerhus effect and some Voxengo's, haven't learned how to use yet). An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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The clip sounds fine on good speakers. Now you just need to make it sound
okay on crappy ones too. I'm between gigs at the moment so I've got some spare time. If you send me the whole file at its highest fidelity, I'll give it a look and clean it up for you if I can. If I spot a major problem, I'll let you know. If you want to do that, send it to delonas AT cultv DOT com or email me and I'll tell you where to send a CD-R. If it works out and I can fix it, maybe send me a copy of the finished video. -- The real Nick Delonas http://ironia.net http://cultv.com "deco_time" wrote in message ... In news:Nick typed: "deco_time" wrote in message ... I designed a sound to be used as backdrop in underwater video, to be released on DVD. The sound, to my hear, convey the feeling of the footage it is to be associated with, and it sound ok on the few sound system I tried it on. What kind of sound? How did you record it? Are you sure you didn't overmodulate? We might have a language barrier here (I'm french speaking), I don't know what "overmodulate" means. If you mean the level, it was kept well below 0dB. The sound came from software synthesizer, kept digital all the time, and addition from CS2X outboard synth recorded dry trough an audiophile 2496 and also well below 0dB (peaked around -6dB). No effect added to the sound appart from synth (I have all the Kjaerhus effect and some Voxengo's, haven't learned how to use yet). An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. -- Odysea production vidéo plongez avec nous! www.odysea.ca |
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"deco_time" wrote in message
... When you mix/master for DVD's, do you take into account regular TV speakers, or do you assume everybody with a DVD also has proper sound system and so you don't bother with it? Emphatically YES, you MUST prepare for having your material heard through crappy TV speakers. I don't want to discourage you or sound like an elitist snob, but I really have to ask: does the world really need yet another low-budget production created by people who don't know how to do it? What possible benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. If the subject matter is good enough to justify being immortalized on DVD, isn't it worth the effort of seeking funding and using professional crew people? You could participate as a producer, watching what the audio engineer does, and eventually learn enough to do it yourself. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"deco_time" wrote in message
... When you mix/master for DVD's, do you take into account regular TV speakers, or do you assume everybody with a DVD also has proper sound system and so you don't bother with it? Emphatically YES, you MUST prepare for having your material heard through crappy TV speakers. I don't want to discourage you or sound like an elitist snob, but I really have to ask: does the world really need yet another low-budget production created by people who don't know how to do it? What possible benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. If the subject matter is good enough to justify being immortalized on DVD, isn't it worth the effort of seeking funding and using professional crew people? You could participate as a producer, watching what the audio engineer does, and eventually learn enough to do it yourself. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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What possible
benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. Yeah, all we need is cookie-cutter, unimaginative, bloated hollywood production. "I'm beginning to suspect that your problem is the gap between what you say and what you think you have said." -george (paraphrased) |
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What possible
benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. Yeah, all we need is cookie-cutter, unimaginative, bloated hollywood production. "I'm beginning to suspect that your problem is the gap between what you say and what you think you have said." -george (paraphrased) |
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Hmmm. I guess you haven't heard of "Clerks", "El Mariachi", "Brothers
McMullen", "Blair Witch Project", "Slacker", "An American Movie"... ? Even Hollywood knows that it needs those crazy independent film-makers to provide a jolt of creativity and energy every once in a while and keep those big "professional" productions from being even more stale than they already are. Lorin David Schultz wrote: I don't want to discourage you or sound like an elitist snob, but I really have to ask: does the world really need yet another low-budget production created by people who don't know how to do it? What possible benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. If the subject matter is good enough to justify being immortalized on DVD, isn't it worth the effort of seeking funding and using professional crew people? You could participate as a producer, watching what the audio engineer does, and eventually learn enough to do it yourself. |
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Hmmm. I guess you haven't heard of "Clerks", "El Mariachi", "Brothers
McMullen", "Blair Witch Project", "Slacker", "An American Movie"... ? Even Hollywood knows that it needs those crazy independent film-makers to provide a jolt of creativity and energy every once in a while and keep those big "professional" productions from being even more stale than they already are. Lorin David Schultz wrote: I don't want to discourage you or sound like an elitist snob, but I really have to ask: does the world really need yet another low-budget production created by people who don't know how to do it? What possible benefit can there be to such an endeavour? Amateur productions created by amateurs with amateur tools usually wind up looking very... well, you get the idea. No one wants to pay money for a product that looks like someone's home movie. If the subject matter is good enough to justify being immortalized on DVD, isn't it worth the effort of seeking funding and using professional crew people? You could participate as a producer, watching what the audio engineer does, and eventually learn enough to do it yourself. |
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
... Hmmm. I guess you haven't heard of "Clerks", "El Mariachi", "Brothers McMullen", "Blair Witch Project", "Slacker", "An American Movie"... ? I've only seen two of the projects you mention. *I* enjoyed "Clerks," but I haven't been able to get any of my friends or family to sit through it. They get bored and walk away. Pity. That's not really even the point I want to make though. The real issue is that while it was a small budget indy production, at least it was made by people who knew how to do their jobs. The post mix wasn't done by a guy who was just learning what the various knobs on a mixer are for. Blair Witch is an exception and I'll give you that one. In that case, ****ty, consumer-quality movie-making obviously hit big. You gotta admit though, it was an *extremely* rare and even unlikely success. I'd suggest that it only works because the poor production values are part of the story, and you couldn't get away with it otherwise. I don't know anything about the knowledge/skill level of the people involved in making it either. Were they total newbies, or did they know their stuff to the point where they could make a good movie even with crappy gear? My question to the original poster was about knowing what he's doing, which, it seemed, he doesn't. If that's the case, finding money to hire crew seems like a simple, practical production logistics decision. I like driving a car, but I don't know jack **** about how to adjust valves so I hire that out to someone who knows what they're doing. Even Hollywood knows that it needs those crazy independent film-makers to provide a jolt of creativity and energy every once in a while and keep those big "professional" productions from being even more stale than they already are. I guess so. I just wish more of the creative types bothered to learn enough about the technical side to make it more transparent in the end. I hate seeing what might otherwise be a perfectly good story get masked by the distraction of distorted or unintelligible audio, flakey camera moves and/or lo-buj gee-whiz fx. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message
... Hmmm. I guess you haven't heard of "Clerks", "El Mariachi", "Brothers McMullen", "Blair Witch Project", "Slacker", "An American Movie"... ? I've only seen two of the projects you mention. *I* enjoyed "Clerks," but I haven't been able to get any of my friends or family to sit through it. They get bored and walk away. Pity. That's not really even the point I want to make though. The real issue is that while it was a small budget indy production, at least it was made by people who knew how to do their jobs. The post mix wasn't done by a guy who was just learning what the various knobs on a mixer are for. Blair Witch is an exception and I'll give you that one. In that case, ****ty, consumer-quality movie-making obviously hit big. You gotta admit though, it was an *extremely* rare and even unlikely success. I'd suggest that it only works because the poor production values are part of the story, and you couldn't get away with it otherwise. I don't know anything about the knowledge/skill level of the people involved in making it either. Were they total newbies, or did they know their stuff to the point where they could make a good movie even with crappy gear? My question to the original poster was about knowing what he's doing, which, it seemed, he doesn't. If that's the case, finding money to hire crew seems like a simple, practical production logistics decision. I like driving a car, but I don't know jack **** about how to adjust valves so I hire that out to someone who knows what they're doing. Even Hollywood knows that it needs those crazy independent film-makers to provide a jolt of creativity and energy every once in a while and keep those big "professional" productions from being even more stale than they already are. I guess so. I just wish more of the creative types bothered to learn enough about the technical side to make it more transparent in the end. I hate seeing what might otherwise be a perfectly good story get masked by the distraction of distorted or unintelligible audio, flakey camera moves and/or lo-buj gee-whiz fx. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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deco_time wrote: An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. What is an "ogg" file? It sounds like an odd name. |
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deco_time wrote: An exctract is here if you care to listen (1.5 MB ogg): http://www.odysea.ca/Atmosphedisiac.ogg I could not access this file. There was lot's of traffic to the host since I posted this, seems to work ok now. What is an "ogg" file? It sounds like an odd name. |
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Very good point. I have a deep, abiding respect for people who master
their tools. If every movie was like "clerks", I'd go nuts for a big budget musical filmed on a soundstage with fake backdrops and a million watts of overhead lighting. But I do believe that sometimes a strange but intriguing mind might not have the skills required to manage a large scale production with professional crew, but might still have something worthwhile to say. Linklater's early films -- especially "Slacker"--are gems. Pretty rough at times, but the images and audio are good enough to make it worthwhile. I often think of Truffaut as a happy medium. Technically skilled and original, but with a lot of heart as well. Lorin David Schultz wrote: I guess so. I just wish more of the creative types bothered to learn enough about the technical side to make it more transparent in the end. I hate seeing what might otherwise be a perfectly good story get masked by the distraction of distorted or unintelligible audio, flakey camera moves and/or lo-buj gee-whiz fx. |
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In news:Lorin David Schultz typed:
I guess so. I just wish more of the creative types bothered to learn enough about the technical side to make it more transparent in the end. Where have you read in my post that I refused to learn about the technical side? Wasn't my posting here exactly the opposite, that I want in fact learn as much as I possibly can? So far, apart from the classical "hire a professional", I haven't read anything that would help me learn anything, not even a webpage or a book suggestion. I understand that people don't owe me anything, and certainly not help, and by posting a request for help I'm totally dependant on people good will, but I don't see much difference in being said about me "won't bother to learn" and plainly being called stupid. |
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From: "deco_time"
Date: 10/9/04 1:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Where have you read in my post that I refused to learn about the technical side? Wasn't my posting here exactly the opposite, that I want in fact learn as much as I possibly can? So far, apart from the classical "hire a professional", I haven't read anything that would help me learn anything, not even a webpage or a book suggestion. I understand that people don't owe me anything, and certainly not help, and by posting a request for help I'm totally dependant on people good will, but I don't see much difference in being said about me "won't bother to learn" and plainly being called stupid. We are not calling you stupid just that your not informed (not your or our fault) of what it requires to do "professional recording". You see when some one posts here with a project that they are working on or planing and gives a list of what they have to work with and all they say is "I have this (insert list of gear) equipment and I want to get "pro" quality sound and production from it", it tends to make some of us feel that they have no idea what they have got them self into. You gave us somewhat this type of post and we know (from experience and or education) that this is not the professional way of doing things. There are lots of great books and college courses out there that can show you the light into professional recording, one good book (I got it in recording college) is Yamaha's Sound Reinforcement book, it will tell you some good info on related subjects of sound and recording as well as some much needed electrical info. There is a FAQ http://www.phys.tue.nl/people/etimme...gfaq/RFAQ.html for this newsgroup as well with some huge info that can help but don't think that you can just learn over night, it will get you to thinking about a great many things. There are so many things to learn and listening skills to learn that it can take someone 5-10 years of working in a professional studio to get a good trained ear for quality results. So if you really wish to achieve the professional recording you must do it by the book (so to speak) and you always start with talent (all around), you would not want someone who knows nothing about fixing your car overhauling your prized Rolls's transmission. Thus, a well written song (or scrip) will still sound like crap if you didn't record it right, a poorly written song or scrip will still be bad even if you use all the right gear in a perfectly designed studio with an experienced engineer. The bottom line is, do you get good results (your customer is happy) with what you have? If so don't do any thing to change a good thing, but if your losing work and there are telling you "I want better quality", then you start out with a few questions to yourself. First, do I have the means to go to the next step? Can I afford to pay for an acoustic expert to come in and tell me what I need to do with my rooms? Can I do it myself? It will be quicker (and cheaper) to hire an expert (as aposed to learning yourself) to look at what you have and tell you what you can do to fix anything. If you do and he or she tells you a lot of things that you need to change don't try and tell this person "well, can't we just do this instead?" just do it and move on to the rest of what needs to be changed and or replaced. |
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"deco_time" wrote:
Where have you read in my post that I refused to learn about the technical side? Wasn't my posting here exactly the opposite, that I want in fact learn as much as I possibly can? I *didn't* say you're not willing to learn. Any mention of "learning" at all came in a subsequent post responding to a different comment. That said, learning the technical side of production is not something that can be done simply by posting to a newsgroup and reading some web sites. It involves first doing some "book learning" (operating levels, a few basic formulas, signal flow, human perception of sound, and some really basic physics related to how sound behaves) followed by a TON of trial and error. I'd suggest you're looking at a period of months before you'd be at the point where you have ANY hope of turning out something that doesn't have glaring, obvious distractions. By all means, start down that road and begin the process. I'm sure you'll find people here are more than willing to answer specific questions (as opposed to broad, general questions that are much to involved to answer in a newsgroup post). I can also suggest a few useful tools to get you started: - Buy a Mackie mixer and read the manual cover to cover. You can also download their manuals, but it will be much more useful if you have the device in front of you to experiment as you read. Make sure you get a model with at least one sweepable EQ band so you can: - Go to www.rawtracks.com and download some individual instrument tracks. Crank the gain on the EQ all the way up, then sweep the frequency control around to see how it affects the sound. Then try the same thing with the EQ gain turned all the way down. Try it on a variety of sources. - Find a copy of this book and ask questions until you really understand its contents: "The Technique of the Sound Studio" by Alec Nisbett, Focal Press, ISBN 0 240 51003 8 - Same for the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook." Eventually you'll understand enough about what you're doing to have a fighting chance at producing a decent soundtrack. In the meantime, you're batting at invisible flies. That's why I suggested that, FOR THIS PROJECT, you are likely better off hiring someone who already knows what (s)he's doing, and WATCHING her/him in an attempt to LEARN something about what (s)he's doing. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"Glenn Dowdy" wrote:
- Go to www.rawtracks.com and download some individual instrument tracks. Is this a good link? I got Page Cannot Be Displayed. I guess not. I was working from memory. The guy who hosts the site posts here, so maybe he'll chime in. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: What is an "ogg" file? It sounds like an odd name. One of those multimedia data compression techniques. Is there a player for it? |
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Don Cooper wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: What is an "ogg" file? It sounds like an odd name. One of those multimedia data compression techniques. Is there a player for it? Lots of software players can handle it. The higher end (in terms of RAM) iRiver portable players support it. Probably others. |
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Kurt Albershardt wrote: Is there a player for it? Lots of software players can handle it. The higher end (in terms of RAM) iRiver portable players support it. Probably others. Thank, Kurt. How about a web plug-in, or whatever? It didn't work with anything I have. |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:00 -0400, Don Cooper
wrote: Is there a player for it? In the Windows world, IrfanView plays everything. Top recommendation, and it's free. Chris Hornbeck |
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I've just ordered the Yamaha book from Amazon, maybe will help me
understand the RAP faq better  Due to the very bad water conditionthis year, it's not possible to release the video before middle of next summer, so I have a couple of month to make the soundtrack and learn how to mix and master it. A kind soul even offered to have a look at it when it's finished and see if there is any big problems with it, an offer I most certainly will take advantage off. I couldn't find the "The thechnique of sound studio" though, seems to be out of print? Anyway, I can't read 2 books at once so maybe I'll find a used one when I'm done with the first one. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to thoses who offered suggestions and advices. |
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deco_time wrote:
In news on Cooper typed:How about a web plug-in, or whatever? It didn't work with anything I have. http://foobar2000.org/ My favorite audio player by far. Be sure to get the ABX plugin and FLAC. Also available for WinAmp and many others, but their gadget-y look puts me off. |
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On 12 Oct 2004, "Lorin David Schultz" wrote in
news:WIXad.14407$Ia5.1299@edtnps89: I guess not. I was working from memory. The guy who hosts the site posts here, so maybe he'll chime in. I found it. It's http://www.raw-tracks.com/ (you were missing the dash.) |
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Am Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:07:30 -0400 schrieb Don Cooper:
How about a web plug-in, or whatever? It didn't work with anything I have. Check out the official website for OGG - they have a long link list with software players, that supports OGG: http://vorbis.com http://vorbis.com/software.psp I´m pretty sure, everyone will find some piece of software there that matches their needs and wants... ;-) OGG-Plug-In for Windows Media Player: http://tobias.everwicked.com/oggds.htm Phil |
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