In article writes:

am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

Not if they're powered ribbon mics like a series of Royers.

It's a bad thing for any mic if cables or miswired or shorted, and
hot-connecting or disconnecting of mics with phantom power applied can
be detremental to some consoles or preamps.

Is having your house wired for electrical power a bad thing for
the residents? Only when they're not careful with it.

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In article writes:

I'd like to swich to a 24channels monitor mixer used like this:
mic - micpre - recorder - monitor mixer - dat (or similar)

I'm thinking about a mixer with 8-12 aux sends (old Yamaha?), so I can
easily feed headphones, IEM or usual monitors during tracking. And I can
monitor each track fast. Then I mix to dat to have rough mixes right away...
(maybe a laptop Mac, so I could burn CDs too!)
I think this is one of the most "portable" configurations.

That's sensible, but to improve portability and reliability I'd pass
on the outboard preamps and look for a mixer with decent preamps.
Crest, Soundcraft and Midas (Venice) come to mind. Most mixers in the
size you're looking at include a few "line only" inputs in their
channel count, so you could get a few top shelf mic preamps for those
channels and use what's in the mixer for the utility stuff.


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In article writes:

I'd like to swich to a 24channels monitor mixer used like this:
mic - micpre - recorder - monitor mixer - dat (or similar)

I'm thinking about a mixer with 8-12 aux sends (old Yamaha?), so I can
easily feed headphones, IEM or usual monitors during tracking. And I can
monitor each track fast. Then I mix to dat to have rough mixes right away...
(maybe a laptop Mac, so I could burn CDs too!)
I think this is one of the most "portable" configurations.

That's sensible, but to improve portability and reliability I'd pass
on the outboard preamps and look for a mixer with decent preamps.
Crest, Soundcraft and Midas (Venice) come to mind. Most mixers in the
size you're looking at include a few "line only" inputs in their
channel count, so you could get a few top shelf mic preamps for those
channels and use what's in the mixer for the utility stuff.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice

In article , Karl
Winkler wrote:

No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.


David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
I have a lot of family...

Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
show closes.

-Karl



Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

In article , Karl
Winkler wrote:

No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.


David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
I have a lot of family...

Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
show closes.

-Karl



Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products.

Wireless.



Scott Fraser

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products.

Wireless.



Scott Fraser

In article writes:

Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

Wow! Is he still around?

As for Karl, it's kind of nice to have someone around here who really
knows the Neumann and Sennheiser products and can now talk about them
without someone firing off a slavo about being a sales weasel.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

As Karl was with microphones, I'm sure that when there's a specific
question about a Lectrosonics product (they make wireless mic
transmitters and receivers) he'll jump in and provide the information
without a sales pitch, as he has always done with his former company.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

Wow! Is he still around?

As for Karl, it's kind of nice to have someone around here who really
knows the Neumann and Sennheiser products and can now talk about them
without someone firing off a slavo about being a sales weasel.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

As Karl was with microphones, I'm sure that when there's a specific
question about a Lectrosonics product (they make wireless mic
transmitters and receivers) he'll jump in and provide the information
without a sales pitch, as he has always done with his former company.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty. Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording. We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use. For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for 15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty. Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording. We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use. For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for 15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

What about Yamaha MLA8?



"Jay Kadis" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used
their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding
pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo
mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I
think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one
channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine
since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium
to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work
yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty.
Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording.
We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it
isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use.
For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for
15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

What about Yamaha MLA8?



"Jay Kadis" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used
their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding
pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo
mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I
think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one
channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine
since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium
to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work
yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty.
Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording.
We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it
isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use.
For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for
15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

david wrote:

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

Seconded. My curiousity piqued when I saw Karl had joined Lectrosonics.

--
ha

david wrote:

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

Seconded. My curiousity piqued when I saw Karl had joined Lectrosonics.

--
ha

"david" wrote in message
...

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must
be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.


There is: wireless mics that work better than they have any business
doing. Better than they should. Better than you expect them to.
Wireless IFBs too. Probably other stuff as well, but who cares when
their mics are so cool? g

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"david" wrote in message
...

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must
be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.


There is: wireless mics that work better than they have any business
doing. Better than they should. Better than you expect them to.
Wireless IFBs too. Probably other stuff as well, but who cares when
their mics are so cool? g

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

"Maxy" wrote in message ...
I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but


Sounds like a Focusrite Octopre with the ADAT card option might be
more in your price range. You can engage limiters on every channel if
you need to and it sounds pretty neutral. This unit worked very well
for me with a Mackie SDR HD recorder I used to have.

Kelly Dueck

"Maxy" wrote in message ...
I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but


Sounds like a Focusrite Octopre with the ADAT card option might be
more in your price range. You can engage limiters on every channel if
you need to and it sounds pretty neutral. This unit worked very well
for me with a Mackie SDR HD recorder I used to have.

Kelly Dueck

david wrote in message ...
In article , Karl
Winkler wrote:

No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.


David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
I have a lot of family...

Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
show closes.

-Karl



Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

Lots of cool stuff going on here, actually. Here's what we do in a
nutshell:

1. Wireless audio systems, including handheld, bodypack and plug-on
transmitters. We have the only waterproof transmitter on the market.
We have a patent-applied-for "Digital Hybrid" transmission that uses
analog UHF FM carrier but a DSP-based digital encoding scheme to
remove the analog compander. Neat stuff. We're primarily in the film &
broadcast markets with this equipment.
2. Digital matrix boxes (16x24, for instance) and installation
equipment such as multi-channel amplifiers, etc. Our LecNet software
is compatible with Crestron controllers.
3. Portable, single-unit battery-powered PA used by marching band
directors and auctioneers. This is the closest thing to what we
started out building in 1971: lecterns.

We'll have some new stuff at AES for attendees to check out... I'm
looking forward to seeing everyone there (sorry you can't make it,
David!)

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

david wrote in message ...
In article , Karl
Winkler wrote:

No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.


David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
I have a lot of family...

Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
show closes.

-Karl



Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.

Lots of cool stuff going on here, actually. Here's what we do in a
nutshell:

1. Wireless audio systems, including handheld, bodypack and plug-on
transmitters. We have the only waterproof transmitter on the market.
We have a patent-applied-for "Digital Hybrid" transmission that uses
analog UHF FM carrier but a DSP-based digital encoding scheme to
remove the analog compander. Neat stuff. We're primarily in the film &
broadcast markets with this equipment.
2. Digital matrix boxes (16x24, for instance) and installation
equipment such as multi-channel amplifiers, etc. Our LecNet software
is compatible with Crestron controllers.
3. Portable, single-unit battery-powered PA used by marching band
directors and auctioneers. This is the closest thing to what we
started out building in 1971: lecterns.

We'll have some new stuff at AES for attendees to check out... I'm
looking forward to seeing everyone there (sorry you can't make it,
David!)

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

In article ,
says...

The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

Just get some WD40 and phil them up.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
says...

The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

Just get some WD40 and phil them up.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa