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Walter Harley
 
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I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?

2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

Thanks!
-walter


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Walter wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


Know of a good room with a good sounding house kit? That might save alot of
time & sound good.


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Walter wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


Know of a good room with a good sounding house kit? That might save alot of
time & sound good.


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Know of a good room with a good sounding house kit? That might save alot of
time & sound good.


I do a ton of these "one day" demos. One 8 hour session and a remix session a
week out..10 hours total..for a cheapo version.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
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Know of a good room with a good sounding house kit? That might save alot of
time & sound good.


I do a ton of these "one day" demos. One 8 hour session and a remix session a
week out..10 hours total..for a cheapo version.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637


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"Walter Harley" wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?

2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)


Walter,

I generally advise clients to expect about an hour to an hour and a half of
studio time for every recorded minute. Figure one day for setup and basic
tracks, including bass and rhythm guitar fixes, another 6 to 8 hours for solos
and vocals, and 2 to 3 hours for mixing.

And trust me on this one: the band won't be absent for mixdown. If they are,
add another few hours for remixes.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
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"Walter Harley" wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?

2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)


Walter,

I generally advise clients to expect about an hour to an hour and a half of
studio time for every recorded minute. Figure one day for setup and basic
tracks, including bass and rhythm guitar fixes, another 6 to 8 hours for solos
and vocals, and 2 to 3 hours for mixing.

And trust me on this one: the band won't be absent for mixdown. If they are,
add another few hours for remixes.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
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"Harvey Gerst" wrote in message
...
"Walter Harley" wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together,

rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best

and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception

is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do

basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the

hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to

track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic

effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up

with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?

2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we

just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave

again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)


Walter,

I generally advise clients to expect about an hour to an hour and a half

of
studio time for every recorded minute. Figure one day for setup and basic
tracks, including bass and rhythm guitar fixes, another 6 to 8 hours for

solos
and vocals, and 2 to 3 hours for mixing.

And trust me on this one: the band won't be absent for mixdown. If they

are,
add another few hours for remixes.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

__________________________________________

Hey,

It can help if you discuss coming back in for a bit more time, once you *get
some distance* on the finished product.

'Cause you might want to redo a part or two, or a bit of a remix...

Covering this eventuality can help save a buck and get a much better product
that you are happy with.

-bg-

www.thelittlecanadaheadphoneband.ca
www.lchb.ca


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"Harvey Gerst" wrote in message
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"Walter Harley" wrote:

I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together,

rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best

and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception

is
we might overdub the guitar solos.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do

basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the

hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to

track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic

effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up

with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?

2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we

just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave

again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)


Walter,

I generally advise clients to expect about an hour to an hour and a half

of
studio time for every recorded minute. Figure one day for setup and basic
tracks, including bass and rhythm guitar fixes, another 6 to 8 hours for

solos
and vocals, and 2 to 3 hours for mixing.

And trust me on this one: the band won't be absent for mixdown. If they

are,
add another few hours for remixes.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

__________________________________________

Hey,

It can help if you discuss coming back in for a bit more time, once you *get
some distance* on the finished product.

'Cause you might want to redo a part or two, or a bit of a remix...

Covering this eventuality can help save a buck and get a much better product
that you are happy with.

-bg-

www.thelittlecanadaheadphoneband.ca
www.lchb.ca


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1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


Depending mostly on drums (are they tuned? can they be isolated? etc.), the
preparedness of the band, and the creative aspects of mixing, at least 8
hours, probably 12.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave

again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Get one day, at least 8 hours, with allowance for overage.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

Depends on how complex you want to make it. If the studio isn't "an
instrument", then about 2 hours....


Thanks!
-walter






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1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


Depending mostly on drums (are they tuned? can they be isolated? etc.), the
preparedness of the band, and the creative aspects of mixing, at least 8
hours, probably 12.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave

again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Get one day, at least 8 hours, with allowance for overage.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

Depends on how complex you want to make it. If the studio isn't "an
instrument", then about 2 hours....


Thanks!
-walter




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"Walter Harley" wrote in message ...
I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.


Please tell me you're going to overdub the vocals... 3-5 hours right
there after basic tracks. Do OD the gtr solos unless they are crucial
to the energy of the song - and with Americana I doubt they are.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


3-4 hours from doorbell to first take.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Yes. My preference is to do setup & trial take one block, then actual
'walk-in and play' next block - preferably on separate days.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

If that's the case, I'd say 3-5 hours for the 1st song, about an hour
apiece thereafter.

These are all "typical demo" estimates. Want to make something to
impress the industry? Multiply by 10, maybe.

Thanks!
-walter


Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
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"Walter Harley" wrote in message ...
I'm trying to record three four-minute songs with my band. The genre is
"Americana" - think Neil Young, John Prine, Johnny Cash. I'm hoping to
record all the parts all at once with us playing in a room together, rather
than doing lots of overdubs, because I think that's the way we play best and
the way that we'll best capture these particular songs. Only exception is
we might overdub the guitar solos.


Please tell me you're going to overdub the vocals... 3-5 hours right
there after basic tracks. Do OD the gtr solos unless they are crucial
to the energy of the song - and with Americana I doubt they are.

We are moderately good amateurs. We've all recorded in studios before,
though not often. We can play the songs correctly, and when I do basement
multitrack recordings, the music comes through just fine (but so does the
rattling of my heating vents, the echo off the concrete walls, and the hum
of the refrigerator). So I think it's realistic for us to expect to track
one song per 30 minutes of studio time, once we're set up.

We are not planning on anything "tricky" in mixdown: no weird sonic effects,
no pitch correcting, no shifting the bass notes around so they synch up with
the kick drum better.

Here are my questions:

1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


3-4 hours from doorbell to first take.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Yes. My preference is to do setup & trial take one block, then actual
'walk-in and play' next block - preferably on separate days.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

If that's the case, I'd say 3-5 hours for the 1st song, about an hour
apiece thereafter.

These are all "typical demo" estimates. Want to make something to
impress the industry? Multiply by 10, maybe.

Thanks!
-walter


Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
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Mikey wrote:


1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


3-4 hours from doorbell to first take.


I've probably recorded hundreds of similar sessions. An hour and a half
to two hours was our normal set-up time with maybe another hour before
we got a good take of the first song.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Yes. My preference is to do setup & trial take one block, then actual
'walk-in and play' next block - preferably on separate days.


I worked differently - set up and record basic tracks, take a short
break and then do overdubs later the same day.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

If that's the case, I'd say 3-5 hours for the 1st song, about an hour
apiece thereafter.


It is usually better to book a separate mix session but again, I'd be
slightly faster here with an hour or two for the first mix and half an
hour to an hour for subsequent mixes.

Of course, it all depends on the people involved and how many
adjustments there were in each song.

For a serious album project I would budget on an average of a day per
song.

Cheers.

James.
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Mikey wrote:


1. How long should we budget for setup time - that is, loadin and getting
sounds?


3-4 hours from doorbell to first take.


I've probably recorded hundreds of similar sessions. An hour and a half
to two hours was our normal set-up time with maybe another hour before
we got a good take of the first song.


2. Is it reasonable to schedule in 4-hour blocks of time? Or will we just
be getting drum sounds right by the time we have to pack up and leave again?
I think we probably don't have the stamina for a productive 8-hour day of
recording.


Yes. My preference is to do setup & trial take one block, then actual
'walk-in and play' next block - preferably on separate days.


I worked differently - set up and record basic tracks, take a short
break and then do overdubs later the same day.

3. How long should we budget for mixdown? (I'm hoping to have the band
absent for most of this, and rely 75% on the engineer and 25% on me. I'm
the bass player.)

If that's the case, I'd say 3-5 hours for the 1st song, about an hour
apiece thereafter.


It is usually better to book a separate mix session but again, I'd be
slightly faster here with an hour or two for the first mix and half an
hour to an hour for subsequent mixes.

Of course, it all depends on the people involved and how many
adjustments there were in each song.

For a serious album project I would budget on an average of a day per
song.

Cheers.

James.


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"Mikey" wrote in message
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Please tell me you're going to overdub the vocals... 3-5 hours right
there after basic tracks. Do OD the gtr solos unless they are crucial
to the energy of the song - and with Americana I doubt they are.


I am planning to NOT overdub the vocals. The only reason I'm planning to
overdub the guitar solos is because the guitarist really wants to (and, of
all the people in the band, I think he's most likely to be able to pull it
off without it sounding canned).

Think of this as a singer-songwriter act, acoustic guitar with backing band.
The recording is basically a showcase for the songs, and something we can
sell to the audience at gigs. I am definitely NOT looking for something to
"impress the industry," and I do not want to "use the studio as an
instrument" as someone else nicely put it. I want a pre-Sgt.-Pepper
recording :-)

As much as anything, this is because I find myself growing increasingly
dissatisfied with produced recordings: overdubs, isolation, samples, loops,
parts flown in from other studios. I find practically everything these days
just sounds synthetic to me, nothing there to engage with, like trying to
love a robot. I want to record a performance, not assemble one from pieces.

I know that this band is good enough to deliver a good, compelling
performance on demand (this is not modesty, it's just that these are simple
songs that we've been playing a lot and we're basically a gigging band), and
I know that good recordings have been made without overdubs. So I know it's
possible!

I feel like music kind of took a wrong turn in the 1960's... sure, some
truly stellar, awe-inspiring, recordings were made using the
assemble-it-piece-by-piece approach, and the sound quality certainly took a
leap up, but I feel like by and large the music suffered. There is just
nothing as wonderful as the sound of a band functioning as a band in
realtime, to my ears. Even if they do make the occasional clam.

This is all just my opinion, subject to change. But it is partly why I'm
taking the approach I am.

Am I being unrealistic about whether this approach can work in a studio? Is
this where all the bands start out, and end up changing their minds and
blowing their budgets?


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Walter Harley
 
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"Mikey" wrote in message
om...
Please tell me you're going to overdub the vocals... 3-5 hours right
there after basic tracks. Do OD the gtr solos unless they are crucial
to the energy of the song - and with Americana I doubt they are.


I am planning to NOT overdub the vocals. The only reason I'm planning to
overdub the guitar solos is because the guitarist really wants to (and, of
all the people in the band, I think he's most likely to be able to pull it
off without it sounding canned).

Think of this as a singer-songwriter act, acoustic guitar with backing band.
The recording is basically a showcase for the songs, and something we can
sell to the audience at gigs. I am definitely NOT looking for something to
"impress the industry," and I do not want to "use the studio as an
instrument" as someone else nicely put it. I want a pre-Sgt.-Pepper
recording :-)

As much as anything, this is because I find myself growing increasingly
dissatisfied with produced recordings: overdubs, isolation, samples, loops,
parts flown in from other studios. I find practically everything these days
just sounds synthetic to me, nothing there to engage with, like trying to
love a robot. I want to record a performance, not assemble one from pieces.

I know that this band is good enough to deliver a good, compelling
performance on demand (this is not modesty, it's just that these are simple
songs that we've been playing a lot and we're basically a gigging band), and
I know that good recordings have been made without overdubs. So I know it's
possible!

I feel like music kind of took a wrong turn in the 1960's... sure, some
truly stellar, awe-inspiring, recordings were made using the
assemble-it-piece-by-piece approach, and the sound quality certainly took a
leap up, but I feel like by and large the music suffered. There is just
nothing as wonderful as the sound of a band functioning as a band in
realtime, to my ears. Even if they do make the occasional clam.

This is all just my opinion, subject to change. But it is partly why I'm
taking the approach I am.

Am I being unrealistic about whether this approach can work in a studio? Is
this where all the bands start out, and end up changing their minds and
blowing their budgets?


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I am planning to NOT overdub the vocals. The only reason I'm planning to
overdub the guitar solos is because the guitarist really wants to (and, of
all the people in the band, I think he's most likely to be able to pull it
off without it sounding canned).


IMO...overdubbing vocals will give a better product as it may be hard..in a
quick session..to get a decent vocal mix with all the instruments..plus if the
vocals makes a small mistake the whole band must replay..plus it's harder to do
punch ins. A decent live sounding mix will not sound canned but out of phase
instruments..etc..on the vocal track might make it sound bad...YMMV
You mentions loops..etc..all kinds of things you are not doing anyway. Most
band I get who say they can do something quick almost never are able to pull it
off..an expectation that leads to disappointment.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
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Blind Joni
 
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I am planning to NOT overdub the vocals. The only reason I'm planning to
overdub the guitar solos is because the guitarist really wants to (and, of
all the people in the band, I think he's most likely to be able to pull it
off without it sounding canned).


IMO...overdubbing vocals will give a better product as it may be hard..in a
quick session..to get a decent vocal mix with all the instruments..plus if the
vocals makes a small mistake the whole band must replay..plus it's harder to do
punch ins. A decent live sounding mix will not sound canned but out of phase
instruments..etc..on the vocal track might make it sound bad...YMMV
You mentions loops..etc..all kinds of things you are not doing anyway. Most
band I get who say they can do something quick almost never are able to pull it
off..an expectation that leads to disappointment.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
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Paul Stamler
 
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"Walter Harley" wrote in message
...

I feel like music kind of took a wrong turn in the 1960's... sure, some
truly stellar, awe-inspiring, recordings were made using the
assemble-it-piece-by-piece approach, and the sound quality certainly took

a
leap up, but I feel like by and large the music suffered. There is just
nothing as wonderful as the sound of a band functioning as a band in
realtime, to my ears. Even if they do make the occasional clam.

This is all just my opinion, subject to change. But it is partly why I'm
taking the approach I am.

Am I being unrealistic about whether this approach can work in a studio?

Is
this where all the bands start out, and end up changing their minds and
blowing their budgets?


No, you're not being unrealistic. There are still quite a few recordings
made this way.

An interesting halfway point was done by the Danish band Phonix. They
recorded live, but with a couple of musicians (fiddle/flute and vocalist) in
separate rooms (it was done in an old house rented for the purpose). That
let them replace the occasional vocal or instrumental clam in an otherwise
good take, but still keep the live feel. Helluva good album, too ("Pigen &
Drengen", on the Go' label.)

Peace,
Paul




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"Walter Harley" wrote in message
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I feel like music kind of took a wrong turn in the 1960's... sure, some
truly stellar, awe-inspiring, recordings were made using the
assemble-it-piece-by-piece approach, and the sound quality certainly took

a
leap up, but I feel like by and large the music suffered. There is just
nothing as wonderful as the sound of a band functioning as a band in
realtime, to my ears. Even if they do make the occasional clam.

This is all just my opinion, subject to change. But it is partly why I'm
taking the approach I am.

Am I being unrealistic about whether this approach can work in a studio?

Is
this where all the bands start out, and end up changing their minds and
blowing their budgets?


No, you're not being unrealistic. There are still quite a few recordings
made this way.

An interesting halfway point was done by the Danish band Phonix. They
recorded live, but with a couple of musicians (fiddle/flute and vocalist) in
separate rooms (it was done in an old house rented for the purpose). That
let them replace the occasional vocal or instrumental clam in an otherwise
good take, but still keep the live feel. Helluva good album, too ("Pigen &
Drengen", on the Go' label.)

Peace,
Paul


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