Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.


cheers

garrett

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message . com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.


cheers

garrett

Yeah it does seem like there are only three of us eh? Well maybe with
you that makes 4 .

Let me get a hold of my manual, but I can tell you that the console
mode is the most important thing to check, it sounds like maybe you
are not in the correct console mode.

Don't bother using the internal sequencer, it's pretty hard to setup I
just use the computer since it's usually going anyway (I use Sonar and
an Midisport 8x8USB).

One neat trick for the heads of tunes is to put your sequencer in step
record mode, to 64th notes or 32 notes.

Then cut on only the channels you want to have at the head of the
tune, then take the sequencer out of step record mode.

This will stack all your mutes up in order as note events and saves
you having to write then all at once.

Alternatively you can select programs from the front panel and those
will get recorded but then you can't edit the times of the individual
mutes that way.

Let me check the manual and get back to you.

Analogeezer

I bow to thee. For such a "simple" board things can get pretty crazy
quickly. I'll be up a creek if I ever upgrade to something "advanced".
Anyway I appreciate your time and help.



cheers


garrett



On 2004-09-13 06:30:33 -0700, (Analogeezer) said:

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message
. com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.


cheers

garrett

Yeah it does seem like there are only three of us eh? Well maybe with
you that makes 4 .

Let me get a hold of my manual, but I can tell you that the console
mode is the most important thing to check, it sounds like maybe you
are not in the correct console mode.

Don't bother using the internal sequencer, it's pretty hard to setup I
just use the computer since it's usually going anyway (I use Sonar and
an Midisport 8x8USB).

One neat trick for the heads of tunes is to put your sequencer in step
record mode, to 64th notes or 32 notes.

Then cut on only the channels you want to have at the head of the
tune, then take the sequencer out of step record mode.

This will stack all your mutes up in order as note events and saves
you having to write then all at once.

Alternatively you can select programs from the front panel and those
will get recorded but then you can't edit the times of the individual
mutes that way.

Let me check the manual and get back to you.

Analogeezer

Analogeezer wrote:

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message . com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.



If it is anything like the automation on the Saber then you need to make
sure that your sequencer records Note Off messages properly. I remember
that I had to stop using my old version of Cakewalk because it didn't
send Note Off messages - only Note On with a velocity of zero.

Cheers.

James.

Analogeezer wrote:

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message . com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.



If it is anything like the automation on the Saber then you need to make
sure that your sequencer records Note Off messages properly. I remember
that I had to stop using my old version of Cakewalk because it didn't
send Note Off messages - only Note On with a velocity of zero.

Cheers.

James.

I was able to figure it out. After Analogeezer posted the note about
midi and doing the step record thing I started thinking and I guess
something clicked. Sometimes I find after struggling with something for
a bit then taking a breather then coming back seems to help.

So from what I gather. CONSOLE MODE 1 and 2 should work fine however
MODE 1 uses features that are part of the on board sequencer which I
have no intention on using. So I *think* MODE 2 is what I want. It
worked anyway but still having some issues. I'm using it in Protools
6.X (6.4 maybe?) and now am running into the situation I think James
mentioned last. Mute on and mute off messages aren't
visually/technically correct in Protools. I'm really hoping I don't
have to use something else like Logic just to do midi mutes more
intelligently. Protools midi implementation is somewhat lacking. Not to
disrespect the application but it's just no where near Logic. So the
question I guess now is would anyone know if mute messages can be
received diffently then single notes when using Protools 6? I wasn't
able to figure it out. It kind of sucks to have to clear the board of
mutes when RTZ is hit in the recorder. Simple remedy but still could be
a pain in the ass when you RTZ and your mute messages are now opposite.
I could see myself banging my head on the board trying to figure that
out in the middle of mix.

thanks of the help


cheers


garrett




On 2004-09-14 05:46:34 -0700, James Perrett
said:

Analogeezer wrote:

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message
. com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.



If it is anything like the automation on the Saber then you need to make
sure that your sequencer records Note Off messages properly. I remember
that I had to stop using my old version of Cakewalk because it didn't
send Note Off messages - only Note On with a velocity of zero.

Cheers.

James.

I was able to figure it out. After Analogeezer posted the note about
midi and doing the step record thing I started thinking and I guess
something clicked. Sometimes I find after struggling with something for
a bit then taking a breather then coming back seems to help.

So from what I gather. CONSOLE MODE 1 and 2 should work fine however
MODE 1 uses features that are part of the on board sequencer which I
have no intention on using. So I *think* MODE 2 is what I want. It
worked anyway but still having some issues. I'm using it in Protools
6.X (6.4 maybe?) and now am running into the situation I think James
mentioned last. Mute on and mute off messages aren't
visually/technically correct in Protools. I'm really hoping I don't
have to use something else like Logic just to do midi mutes more
intelligently. Protools midi implementation is somewhat lacking. Not to
disrespect the application but it's just no where near Logic. So the
question I guess now is would anyone know if mute messages can be
received diffently then single notes when using Protools 6? I wasn't
able to figure it out. It kind of sucks to have to clear the board of
mutes when RTZ is hit in the recorder. Simple remedy but still could be
a pain in the ass when you RTZ and your mute messages are now opposite.
I could see myself banging my head on the board trying to figure that
out in the middle of mix.

thanks of the help


cheers


garrett




On 2004-09-14 05:46:34 -0700, James Perrett
said:

Analogeezer wrote:

(Garrett Cox) wrote in message
. com...
Yeah all 3 of you probably. Well maybe `geezer will see this
hopefully.

I've just started to get interested in the midi mute automation of the
GS3. I've just been using my DAW control surface up until now.
(Protools w/ 002 hardware) However I'm having some trouble with
getting it rolling. I've setup the mixer in Apple AudioMidi setup and
am receiving data fine. I go into PT and create a test session and a
midi track for the GS3 (yes at this point I'm thinking it's going to
be a whole lot easier to use the external sequencer than the built in.
I've been reading the GS3 manual and it's pretty scary) and then arm
the track in PT, clear all channels on the GS3 and record midi data.
Protools seems to get the midi data and records it but on playback,
nada. The manual isn't very clear to me on setup. I'm not a huge midi
tweaker but I can usually manage. I think I'm just mostly having a
hard time trying to set the board up. Not sure which CONSOLE MODE it
should be in. If any has experience in this I'd be forever in debt to
you.



If it is anything like the automation on the Saber then you need to make
sure that your sequencer records Note Off messages properly. I remember
that I had to stop using my old version of Cakewalk because it didn't
send Note Off messages - only Note On with a velocity of zero.

Cheers.

James.

Garrett, Cox wrote:

I was able to figure it out. After Analogeezer posted the note about
midi and doing the step record thing I started thinking and I guess
something clicked. Sometimes I find after struggling with something for
a bit then taking a breather then coming back seems to help.

So from what I gather. CONSOLE MODE 1 and 2 should work fine however
MODE 1 uses features that are part of the on board sequencer which I
have no intention on using. So I *think* MODE 2 is what I want. It
worked anyway but still having some issues. I'm using it in Protools
6.X (6.4 maybe?) and now am running into the situation I think James
mentioned last. Mute on and mute off messages aren't
visually/technically correct in Protools. I'm really hoping I don't
have to use something else like Logic just to do midi mutes more
intelligently. Protools midi implementation is somewhat lacking. Not to
disrespect the application but it's just no where near Logic. So the
question I guess now is would anyone know if mute messages can be
received diffently then single notes when using Protools 6? I wasn't
able to figure it out. It kind of sucks to have to clear the board of
mutes when RTZ is hit in the recorder. Simple remedy but still could be
a pain in the ass when you RTZ and your mute messages are now opposite.
I could see myself banging my head on the board trying to figure that
out in the middle of mix.


On the Saber the mutes can also be stored as continuous control values
rather than notes. The advantage with control values is that some
sequencers will automatically output the appropriate values whenever
they start playing - no matter where in the song you start. The
disadvantage is that they are often harder to edit on the average
sequencer than note on/note offs. It might be worth seeing if the GS3
has a similar mode.

Cheers.

James.

Garrett, Cox wrote:

I was able to figure it out. After Analogeezer posted the note about
midi and doing the step record thing I started thinking and I guess
something clicked. Sometimes I find after struggling with something for
a bit then taking a breather then coming back seems to help.

So from what I gather. CONSOLE MODE 1 and 2 should work fine however
MODE 1 uses features that are part of the on board sequencer which I
have no intention on using. So I *think* MODE 2 is what I want. It
worked anyway but still having some issues. I'm using it in Protools
6.X (6.4 maybe?) and now am running into the situation I think James
mentioned last. Mute on and mute off messages aren't
visually/technically correct in Protools. I'm really hoping I don't
have to use something else like Logic just to do midi mutes more
intelligently. Protools midi implementation is somewhat lacking. Not to
disrespect the application but it's just no where near Logic. So the
question I guess now is would anyone know if mute messages can be
received diffently then single notes when using Protools 6? I wasn't
able to figure it out. It kind of sucks to have to clear the board of
mutes when RTZ is hit in the recorder. Simple remedy but still could be
a pain in the ass when you RTZ and your mute messages are now opposite.
I could see myself banging my head on the board trying to figure that
out in the middle of mix.


On the Saber the mutes can also be stored as continuous control values
rather than notes. The advantage with control values is that some
sequencers will automatically output the appropriate values whenever
they start playing - no matter where in the song you start. The
disadvantage is that they are often harder to edit on the average
sequencer than note on/note offs. It might be worth seeing if the GS3
has a similar mode.

Cheers.

James.