Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0400, suggested:
: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:26:53 -0400, Philip Perkins wrote
: (in article ) :
:
: The guts of the IMac G5 are all behind the screen. The optical drive
: is mounted vertically
: and ejects out the side. All the connectors are on the back. There
: are no electronics in the stand. The Apple people told me that there
: were no fans in it at all.
:
: Philip Perkins
:
: Hmm, internal power supply. How's that going to work for S/N if it's used
: for audio? Apple already took a hit for how poorly they implemented the
: power supply in the G5 tower (one of which I own).

Would that affect anything other than the built-in audio device? I
wouldn't exactly call that pro-quality, anyway.

--
agreenbu @ nyx . net andrew michael greenburg

EganMedia wrote:

remember the fanless G4 Cube which cooked itself to death in the name of
style?

Been running two of those for a goodly while now and while one did go
down under warranty, no problems since Apple fixed it. They are
mercifully quiet.

--
ha

EganMedia wrote:

remember the fanless G4 Cube which cooked itself to death in the name of
style?

Been running two of those for a goodly while now and while one did go
down under warranty, no problems since Apple fixed it. They are
mercifully quiet.

--
ha

Ty Ford wrote:

Hmm, internal power supply. How's that going to work for S/N if it's used
for audio? Apple already took a hit for how poorly they implemented the
power supply in the G5 tower (one of which I own).

Yeah, they could blow it there, but if a Lynx card can deliver what it
does, Apple, at least in theory g, could get the power circuitry under
control vis a vis audio.

--
ha

Ty Ford wrote:

Hmm, internal power supply. How's that going to work for S/N if it's used
for audio? Apple already took a hit for how poorly they implemented the
power supply in the G5 tower (one of which I own).

Yeah, they could blow it there, but if a Lynx card can deliver what it
does, Apple, at least in theory g, could get the power circuitry under
control vis a vis audio.

--
ha

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:41:33 -0400, andrewunix wrote
(in article ):

Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0400, suggested:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:26:53 -0400, Philip Perkins wrote
(in article ) :

The guts of the IMac G5 are all behind the screen. The optical drive
is mounted vertically
and ejects out the side. All the connectors are on the back. There
are no electronics in the stand. The Apple people told me that there
were no fans in it at all.

Philip Perkins

Hmm, internal power supply. How's that going to work for S/N if it's used
for audio? Apple already took a hit for how poorly they implemented the
power supply in the G5 tower (one of which I own).

Would that affect anything other than the built-in audio device? I
wouldn't exactly call that pro-quality, anyway.



Well on the G5 tower, the power supply I first got was so noisy that it was
tossing computer hash down either the power line or Firewire cable (or both)
to the digi 002 so much that it was coming out of the 002 analog outputs.

It's still spewing out of the Mac unbalanced outs and a little from the 002
unbalanced outs, but the new power supply is a lot better.

Mine was not an early G5, I bought it at the end of last year.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:41:33 -0400, andrewunix wrote
(in article ):

Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0400, suggested:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:26:53 -0400, Philip Perkins wrote
(in article ) :

The guts of the IMac G5 are all behind the screen. The optical drive
is mounted vertically
and ejects out the side. All the connectors are on the back. There
are no electronics in the stand. The Apple people told me that there
were no fans in it at all.

Philip Perkins

Hmm, internal power supply. How's that going to work for S/N if it's used
for audio? Apple already took a hit for how poorly they implemented the
power supply in the G5 tower (one of which I own).

Would that affect anything other than the built-in audio device? I
wouldn't exactly call that pro-quality, anyway.



Well on the G5 tower, the power supply I first got was so noisy that it was
tossing computer hash down either the power line or Firewire cable (or both)
to the digi 002 so much that it was coming out of the 002 analog outputs.

It's still spewing out of the Mac unbalanced outs and a little from the 002
unbalanced outs, but the new power supply is a lot better.

Mine was not an early G5, I bought it at the end of last year.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

I haven't had any problems with noise but when I first bought the G5,
it wouldn't boot up after the first few days. I brought it to the
Apple store, and it turned out to be the power supply. They replaced
and it has been working super since then.

Perhaps Apple shipped out a bunch of G5's with bad power supplies?

--
Jordan



Well on the G5 tower, the power supply I first got was so noisy that it was
tossing computer hash down either the power line or Firewire cable (or both)
to the digi 002 so much that it was coming out of the 002 analog outputs.

It's still spewing out of the Mac unbalanced outs and a little from the 002
unbalanced outs, but the new power supply is a lot better.

Mine was not an early G5, I bought it at the end of last year.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

I haven't had any problems with noise but when I first bought the G5,
it wouldn't boot up after the first few days. I brought it to the
Apple store, and it turned out to be the power supply. They replaced
and it has been working super since then.

Perhaps Apple shipped out a bunch of G5's with bad power supplies?

--
Jordan



Well on the G5 tower, the power supply I first got was so noisy that it was
tossing computer hash down either the power line or Firewire cable (or both)
to the digi 002 so much that it was coming out of the 002 analog outputs.

It's still spewing out of the Mac unbalanced outs and a little from the 002
unbalanced outs, but the new power supply is a lot better.

Mine was not an early G5, I bought it at the end of last year.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Eric Desrochers wrote:

Marc Heusser alid
wrote:



http://www.apple.com/imac
the whole computer is behind the screen, 2 inches deep total - including
Superdrive, loudspeakers etc.


...and power supply. Yep. Amazing!

That computer shows how much Apple is cuting edge compared to the
average Wintel box.

PC's biggest design change was going from horizontal desktops to
vertical towers, back in the early 90s...


Nothing particularly particular about that. The old GRiD
computers were like that.

The copmpany sank like a stone...

--
Les Cargill

Eric Desrochers wrote:

Marc Heusser alid
wrote:



http://www.apple.com/imac
the whole computer is behind the screen, 2 inches deep total - including
Superdrive, loudspeakers etc.


...and power supply. Yep. Amazing!

That computer shows how much Apple is cuting edge compared to the
average Wintel box.

PC's biggest design change was going from horizontal desktops to
vertical towers, back in the early 90s...


Nothing particularly particular about that. The old GRiD
computers were like that.

The copmpany sank like a stone...

--
Les Cargill

Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:18:28 -0400, suggested:
: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:41:33 -0400, andrewunix wrote
: (in article ):
:
: Would that affect anything other than the built-in audio device? I
: wouldn't exactly call that pro-quality, anyway.
:
:
:
: Well on the G5 tower, the power supply I first got was so noisy that it was
: tossing computer hash down either the power line or Firewire cable (or both)
: to the digi 002 so much that it was coming out of the 002 analog outputs.
:
: It's still spewing out of the Mac unbalanced outs and a little from the 002
: unbalanced outs, but the new power supply is a lot better.

Wow, that's unfortunate. I suspect that it would do that even if it was
external, though.

--
agreenbu @ nyx . net andrew michael greenburg

Logan Shaw wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...m_id=prf5mxl-d


I just looked and got this message:

Information for this product is temporarily unavailable.

For information on products and services, please visit Gateway.com, or
call 800-etc.


Perhaps that's temporary.

Les Cargill wrote:

Nothing particularly particular about that.

About what? The Apple design?

Please feel free to post references to a current desktop PC design that
enclose similar power and features in an enclosure of similar volume
than the iMac G5 and at the same price point.

--
Eric (Dero) Desrochers
http://homepage.mac.com/dero72

Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95

Don Cooper wrote:


Logan Shaw wrote:


http://products.gateway.com/products...m_id=prf5mxl-d



I just looked and got this message:

Information for this product is temporarily unavailable.

I used to work for a company that collected data from these very sites
(Gateway, Dell, HP, etc. -- all the major PC manufacturers), and we had
to grab web pages from them on a regular basis. From that experience,
let me tell you one thing: anything's possible with a PC manufacturer's
web site! They had $10,000 server systems on for $100 sometimes (just
for an hour or two), or they'd have things like a CD-ROM drive or
printer or other accessory with a negative price. All kinds of crazy
things.

Aaaanyway, perhaps this link will work better:

http://products.gateway.com/products...prf5xlc&seg=hm

I don't think it's exactly the same machine, but it's pretty similar.

By the way, if that link breaks too, then try just going to
http://www.gateway.com/ and typing "profile 5" into the search field,
which is how I got there in the first place.

- Logan

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm


If you're brave, click the enlarged view - God, that thing is a
beastie!!

Time for Gateway to spend some of that shrinking cash reserve on some R
& D before it's too late. Lucky for them, Apple just did it for them.


Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html



I do bet that in a couple years all desktop computers will look like
the new iMac. Which begs the question: what can Apple do then??




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm


If you're brave, click the enlarged view - God, that thing is a
beastie!!

Time for Gateway to spend some of that shrinking cash reserve on some R
& D before it's too late.

I'm not saying I think the Gateway thing looks pretty. It looks almost
like a plastic lighted vanity mirror for the bathroom counter with
drawers for makeup. But, it is a pretty similar form factor, which
was the point.

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

I've seen pictures of the new iMac several times, and while I can't
say it's butt ugly, it's not really that attractive either. Certainly
the more minimalist approach makes things look cleaner, but it takes
a fair amount of desk space anyway, and all that space below the
screen is totally wasted. Plus the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)

- Logan

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:02:43 -0400, Logan Shaw wrote
(in article ):

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm


If you're brave, click the enlarged view - God, that thing is a
beastie!!

Time for Gateway to spend some of that shrinking cash reserve on some R
& D before it's too late.

I'm not saying I think the Gateway thing looks pretty. It looks almost
like a plastic lighted vanity mirror for the bathroom counter with
drawers for makeup. But, it is a pretty similar form factor, which
was the point.

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

I've seen pictures of the new iMac several times, and while I can't
say it's butt ugly, it's not really that attractive either. Certainly
the more minimalist approach makes things look cleaner, but it takes
a fair amount of desk space anyway, and all that space below the
screen is totally wasted. Plus the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)

- Logan

Well folks,

Also lets ask the question....what about drive noise? I have a combo
studio/control room. Both of my Macs are cabled out to other areas where
their noise can't be picked up by the mics.

Regards,

Ty


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Ty Ford wrote in message ...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:02:43 -0400, Logan Shaw wrote
(in article ):

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm


If you're brave, click the enlarged view - God, that thing is a
beastie!!

Time for Gateway to spend some of that shrinking cash reserve on some R
& D before it's too late.

I'm not saying I think the Gateway thing looks pretty. It looks almost
like a plastic lighted vanity mirror for the bathroom counter with
drawers for makeup. But, it is a pretty similar form factor, which
was the point.

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

I've seen pictures of the new iMac several times, and while I can't
say it's butt ugly, it's not really that attractive either. Certainly
the more minimalist approach makes things look cleaner, but it takes
a fair amount of desk space anyway, and all that space below the
screen is totally wasted. Plus the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)

- Logan

Well folks,

Also lets ask the question....what about drive noise? I have a combo
studio/control room. Both of my Macs are cabled out to other areas where
their noise can't be picked up by the mics.

Regards,

Ty

i don't know how loud it'll be while not "idle" as i still haven't
seen/heard one in person, but from apple.com:

"Quieter than a whisper, the iMac G5 measures less than 25dB when idle
(at the same distance of 50cm, a whisper in a quiet room measures more
than 30dB)"

I guess if you don't want to buy one you could always try to win one.
check it out at http://prizewise.com/productDetails.asp?id=16554

I guess if you don't want to buy one you could always try to win one.
check it out at http://prizewise.com/productDetails.asp?id=16554

In article , Logan Shaw
wrote:

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)



Thick and clunky?? It's 2" thick. It's the world's thinnest desktop
computer, except for those used by all the alien living among us, their
cool technology we never get to see cuz we're just backward, hillbilly
humans living like cavemen in their eyes, if they really have eyes ...
(I just finished an entire weekend working on a soundtrack for a horror
movie ;)

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart. The things supposed to be damn quiet as
well.

This form factor is what everyone will be shipping in a year or two
except for the low priced spreads.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

In article , Logan Shaw
wrote:

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)



Thick and clunky?? It's 2" thick. It's the world's thinnest desktop
computer, except for those used by all the alien living among us, their
cool technology we never get to see cuz we're just backward, hillbilly
humans living like cavemen in their eyes, if they really have eyes ...
(I just finished an entire weekend working on a soundtrack for a horror
movie ;)

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart. The things supposed to be damn quiet as
well.

This form factor is what everyone will be shipping in a year or two
except for the low priced spreads.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:42:48 GMT, david wrote:

In article , Logan Shaw
wrote:

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)



Thick and clunky?? It's 2" thick. It's the world's thinnest desktop
computer, except for those used by all the alien living among us, their
cool technology we never get to see cuz we're just backward, hillbilly
humans living like cavemen in their eyes, if they really have eyes ...
(I just finished an entire weekend working on a soundtrack for a horror
movie ;)

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart. The things supposed to be damn quiet as
well.

This form factor is what everyone will be shipping in a year or two
except for the low priced spreads.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it. You will go to your
local PC store and see all those replacement hard drives, power
supplies, cases and other bits costing almost no money and you will
think "but it is only two inches thick; that makes me a winner,
surely?".

Of course, if you really have so little space available... Still, the
choice is yours.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:42:48 GMT, david wrote:

In article , Logan Shaw
wrote:

david wrote:

http://products.gateway.com/products...sp?system_id=p
rf5xlc&seg=hm

Compare the beastie to this:

http://www.apple.com/imac/gallery/front.html

the thing is kind of thick and clunky
looking to me. It's like they decided to really miniaturize it but
stopped halfway. (Not that I wouldn't take a new iMac G5 if someone
wanted to give me one. It's be a fair bit faster than the G4 tower
I'm using to type this message.)



Thick and clunky?? It's 2" thick. It's the world's thinnest desktop
computer, except for those used by all the alien living among us, their
cool technology we never get to see cuz we're just backward, hillbilly
humans living like cavemen in their eyes, if they really have eyes ...
(I just finished an entire weekend working on a soundtrack for a horror
movie ;)

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart. The things supposed to be damn quiet as
well.

This form factor is what everyone will be shipping in a year or two
except for the low priced spreads.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it. You will go to your
local PC store and see all those replacement hard drives, power
supplies, cases and other bits costing almost no money and you will
think "but it is only two inches thick; that makes me a winner,
surely?".

Of course, if you really have so little space available... Still, the
choice is yours.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

david wrote:


And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

david wrote:


And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Don Pearce wrote:


Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it.

That's just what I said back about '67 when we saw those
utterly impossible big integrated circuits coming down the
pike of ideas. How in the hell would you ever debug one,
test one or fix anything. Silly idea.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Don Pearce wrote:


Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it.

That's just what I said back about '67 when we saw those
utterly impossible big integrated circuits coming down the
pike of ideas. How in the hell would you ever debug one,
test one or fix anything. Silly idea.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Well folks,

Also lets ask the question....what about drive noise? I have a combo
studio/control room. Both of my Macs are cabled out to other areas where
their noise can't be picked up by the mics.

Regards,

Ty

i don't know how loud it'll be while not "idle" as i still haven't
seen/heard one in person, but from apple.com:

"Quieter than a whisper, the iMac G5 measures less than 25dB when idle
(at the same distance of 50cm, a whisper in a quiet room measures more
than 30dB)"

My G5 is one of the quieter Macs I've heard, but it's still too loud to be in
the same room with mics.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Well folks,

Also lets ask the question....what about drive noise? I have a combo
studio/control room. Both of my Macs are cabled out to other areas where
their noise can't be picked up by the mics.

Regards,

Ty

i don't know how loud it'll be while not "idle" as i still haven't
seen/heard one in person, but from apple.com:

"Quieter than a whisper, the iMac G5 measures less than 25dB when idle
(at the same distance of 50cm, a whisper in a quiet room measures more
than 30dB)"

My G5 is one of the quieter Macs I've heard, but it's still too loud to be in
the same room with mics.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

In article writes:

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it.

The "offending bit" is the whole box. Just unplug it, toss it in the
trash, and get a new one.

Got backups?

Most people are in the mode of changing out a computer every couple of
years anyway, before things fail.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it.

The "offending bit" is the whole box. Just unplug it, toss it in the
trash, and get a new one.

Got backups?

Most people are in the mode of changing out a computer every couple of
years anyway, before things fail.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Don Pearce wrote:

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it. You will go to your
local PC store and see all those replacement hard drives, power
supplies, cases and other bits costing almost no money and you will
think "but it is only two inches thick; that makes me a winner,
surely?".

Of course, if you really have so little space available... Still, the
choice is yours.

Might want to look further into service accessibility on that there
thing, Don, because word is that it's shockingly easy to get into and
at.

--
ha

Don Pearce wrote:

Everything in one box? You have no idea of the deep joy you will
experience when one little bit of that goes wrong. You will stand
gazing at your one box, and wishing earnestly that you could - please
- just unplug the offending bit and replace it. You will go to your
local PC store and see all those replacement hard drives, power
supplies, cases and other bits costing almost no money and you will
think "but it is only two inches thick; that makes me a winner,
surely?".

Of course, if you really have so little space available... Still, the
choice is yours.

Might want to look further into service accessibility on that there
thing, Don, because word is that it's shockingly easy to get into and
at.

--
ha

Bob Cain wrote:

david wrote:

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.

Well, Apple does also offer laptops. g But, yes, it does use
electricity.

--
ha

Bob Cain wrote:

david wrote:

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.

Well, Apple does also offer laptops. g But, yes, it does use
electricity.

--
ha

In article ,
hank alrich wrote:
Bob Cain wrote:

david wrote:

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.

Well, Apple does also offer laptops. g But, yes, it does use
electricity.

How much? Is a 120 watt inverter enough?
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article ,
hank alrich wrote:
Bob Cain wrote:

david wrote:

And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
the power supply. No wall wart.

So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.

Well, Apple does also offer laptops. g But, yes, it does use
electricity.

How much? Is a 120 watt inverter enough?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

14 Sep 2004 13:22:47 -0400, suggested:
: In article ,
: hank alrich wrote:
:Bob Cain wrote:
:
: david wrote:
:
: And inside that 2" is everything, screen, DVD burner, hard drive, even
: the power supply. No wall wart.
:
: So it's gotta have AC, huh. And it looked so good. Heavy sigh.
:
:Well, Apple does also offer laptops. g But, yes, it does use
:electricity.
:
: How much? Is a 120 watt inverter enough?
: --scott

Looking at their specs list, it has a max continuous power rating of 180W.

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