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Man, just when I thought Behringer might have a clue...
I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured
underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. Anyways, this isn't intented to be a Behringer-bashing thread, but damn that's the most incompetent thing I've read in months. I love my MXB1002 for all the silly jobs it handles that no other single product can, so they do have flashes of brilliance no matter how accidental. But whoever conceived the "RTA" mic input for the DEQ2496 should hook up with the imbecile that neglected to provide adequate phantom power, and take him out for a walk in the woods where no-one can hear him scream. |
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Sugarite wrote:
I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. Anyways, this isn't intented to be a Behringer-bashing thread, but damn that's the most incompetent thing I've read in months. I love my MXB1002 for all the silly jobs it handles that no other single product can, so they do have flashes of brilliance no matter how accidental. But whoever conceived the "RTA" mic input for the DEQ2496 should hook up with the imbecile that neglected to provide adequate phantom power, and take him out for a walk in the woods where no-one can hear him scream. It saves having to supply an extra voltage rail. It borrows the op-amp supply voltage. I'll admit to just doing something similar for an economy unit - but it's 17 Volts in my case. Graham |
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"Sugarite" wrote: I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. Anyways, this isn't intented to be a Behringer-bashing thread, but damn that's the most incompetent thing I've read in months. I love my MXB1002 for all the silly jobs it handles that no other single product can, so they do have flashes of brilliance no matter how accidental. But whoever conceived the "RTA" mic input for the DEQ2496 should hook up with the imbecile that neglected to provide adequate phantom power, and take him out for a walk in the woods where no-one can hear him scream. the behringer RTA mic will work and is a match quality wise George |
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"Sugarite" wrote in message
I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! Actually, this is in the range of one the accepted standards for phantom power. Would you believe that from time to time I work with a fine Benchmark Media mic preamp that has the same or less phantom power? Furthermore, 15 volt phantom power works with Behringer's ECM8000, which is entirely suitable for the purpose. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... : "Sugarite" wrote in message : : : I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured : underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it : dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over : the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... : : So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the : spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about : the mic input... : : 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! : : Actually, this is in the range of one the accepted standards for phantom : power. : : Would you believe that from time to time I work with a fine Benchmark Media : mic preamp that has the same or less phantom power? : : Furthermore, 15 volt phantom power works with Behringer's ECM8000, which is : entirely suitable for the purpose. The Audio Control SA3050 RTA that comes with an ACO Pacific measurement microphone puts out 12VDC phantom power. This is pretty standard for any omni mic based on an electret element. In fact they can work fine off 1.5 VCD, with less output of course, but that can be made up for with gain in the unit. Phil Abbate : : |
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I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured
underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... Check it out thoroughly, because the original Behringer digital EQ could not perform spectral analysis & EQ simultaneously. One or the other. 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. It's enough to run an AKG C451 (or a C414B-ULS for that matter,) & these are often used in the diffuse field for RTA purposes due to their rising HF characteristic. Scott Fraser |
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Sugarite wrote:
15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. Do you think it might work with the Behringer measurement mic, whicnh costs a pittance.? -- ha |
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ScotFraser wrote:
Check it out thoroughly, because the original Behringer digital EQ could not perform spectral analysis & EQ simultaneously. One or the other. Never messed with the original effering, but the DEQ2496 one does stupid amounts of stuff simultaneously, including RTA, buncha bands graphic style, parametric, dynamic EQ, delays, manual and/or auto feedback suppression, at least. Pretty nifty so far IME. I'm going to get one for myself to play with, along with a DCX2496. -- ha |
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Hi Folks,
I'm in the middle of a story about Bill Cook who lives in Colorado. He has quite the collection of primo RCA and WE mics. He's looking to move some of them. As a favor, I told him I would post his list. He knows what they're worth. 1 RCA Ice Cream Cone 1 RCA SK-11 (new) 2 RCA 50A 4 RCA BK-5 A or B 1 RCA Varicoustic 6 Pre-war RCA 44BX 7 Post-war RCA 44BX 1 RCA 77A (Godfrey Mic) 7 RCA 77D 9 RCA 77DX 3 RCA 74B 1 RCA 74C 1 RCA KU Skunk Mic 2 WE 639 (new) 6 WE 639 A&B 6 WE 618 6 WE 633 salt shaker 2 WE 600 carbon, one complete 1 WE 47A 3 WE 630 (8 ball) 2 Altec 689A (matched paid in cases) 4 Shure 55S 2 Shure 556 2 Sony ECM 22 (FETs recently replaced) 1 RCA 88A BIll Cook maybe reached at 719.687.6357 or Carry on and smoke 'em if you got 'em. -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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Yeah, I made the mistake of thinking that designers really thought about how the product would be used, rather than how cheaply they can rack up a huge feature list on the box. I beieve they did, they aslo went as far as to make a mic suitable for the unit and application available for around 30$ unless of course you consider athis just dumb luck on behringers part George |
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6 Pre-war RCA 44BX
7 Post-war RCA 44BX I'm the proud owner of a beautiful 44BX... so how can you tell if pre- or post- war? -- Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs* Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com Phone: 757-621-1348 *Your opinion may vary |
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and I'd like to use
something more trustworthy than an electret, of which the better ones don't accept more than 10V IME. Well, the SM81 is an electret & it's pretty trustworthy, & it accepts more than 10 volts. I wouldn't trust a starved condenser either, I only mentioned the NT5 because it is specifically designed for 3 phantom power levels, and specifically says not to use any less than 18V. Can't see a mic designed for only 48V to be happy at 15V. As you know, the AKG C451 & C460 run on 12 volts & either would be more than adequate for use with a Behringer spectrum analyzer. Yeah, I made the mistake of thinking that designers really thought about how the product would be used, Designers really do think about how their product will be used. They just have arrived at a different conclusion than you have, due to a different work approach & different set of experience in the field. Scott Fraser |
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"Sugarite" wrote in message ... I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! It's the perfect voltage to ruin any shot the unit had at real-world usefulness! Too much for an electret, not enough for any decent SDC. At 18V a Rode NT5 would be happy. 3 measly freakin volts away from brilliance. Anyways, this isn't intented to be a Behringer-bashing thread, but damn that's the most incompetent thing I've read in months. I love my MXB1002 for all the silly jobs it handles that no other single product can, so they do have flashes of brilliance no matter how accidental. But whoever conceived the "RTA" mic input for the DEQ2496 should hook up with the imbecile that neglected to provide adequate phantom power, and take him out for a walk in the woods where no-one can hear him scream. Since it's designed to work with their ECM-8000, and that mic is well suited to the purpose given it's cost, I can't see a major problem. If you really want to use something else, provide your own phantom power. TonyP. |
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ScotFraser wrote:
Yeah, I made the mistake of thinking that designers really thought about how the product would be used, Designers really do think about how their product will be used. They just have arrived at a different conclusion than you have, due to a different work approach & different set of experience in the field. He wanted to use his U47 for RTA with the EQ. -- ha |
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He wanted to use his U47 for RTA with the EQ.
And I wanted to use my Marshall amp to play back MP3s of famous Republican speeches extolling the virtues of environmentalism while I hike the Adirondack trail, but it looks like another dumb manufacturer is forcing me to modify my equipment in order to do what I want. Scott Fraser |
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that would be a very short loop!!
A friend sent me a tape of Ronald Reagan's landmark foreign policy speeches, but when I played it back, the tape was blank. Scott Fraser |
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"ScotFraser" wrote in message
... that would be a very short loop!! A friend sent me a tape of Ronald Reagan's landmark foreign policy speeches, but when I played it back, the tape was blank. Here, we've put one to music.... Lo: http://www.soundclick.com/util/strea...D=1221287&q=Lo Hi: http://www.soundclick.com/util/strea...D=1221287&q=Hi MP3: http://www.soundclick.com/util/Downl...cfm?ID=1221287 That guy could really speechify. dtk |
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On 02 Sep 2004 14:49:59 GMT, ScotFraser wrote:
He wanted to use his U47 for RTA with the EQ. And I wanted to use my Marshall amp to play back MP3s of famous Republican speeches extolling the virtues of environmentalism while I hike the Adirondack trail, but it looks like another dumb manufacturer is forcing me to modify my equipment in order to do what I want. Might be too heavy for that application. How strong are you? Also, if you're up on Mount Marcy, pay attention to the environmental specifications. Too high an altitude may inhibit cooling of power components. Out of the high-peaks region, there's Chimney, where the year-round snow caves might prove troublesome if snow should get into components and melt. I recommend gel cells rather than lead acid, assuming you can afford the weight budget. Note that internal combustion engines aren't welcome on many trails in the Adarondacks, so check with the park rangers before schlepping in from the highway with a portable generator.  |
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Sugarite wrote:
I was just reading about the Behringer DEQ2496, an overfeatured underachieving EQ, and was interested in how it has a mic input on it dedicated for a spectrum analyzer which is graphicly overlaid over the EQ. That, I might pay $375 for... So I'm thinking I could use the EQ for a drum monitor when using the spectrum analyzer for more important issues, when I read more about the mic input... 15V phantom power ?!! FIFTEEN?!! Appears at a glance to be intended for their dirt cheap and very good measuring mic. Anyways, this isn't intented to be a Behringer-bashing thread, but damn that's the most incompetent thing I've read in months. I love my MXB1002 for all the silly jobs it handles that no other single product can, so they do have flashes of brilliance no matter how accidental. But whoever conceived the "RTA" mic input for the DEQ2496 should hook up with the imbecile that neglected to provide adequate phantom power, and take him out for a walk in the woods where no-one can hear him scream. RYFM. It would be a headroom issue in some recording contexts, but not in a reasonable measuring context. Next! Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Dayam. All this defense of Behringer is hurting my head. Make it stop!!
Don't confuse a refuting of a critique with a defense. Scott Fraser |
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