there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't deliver
a broad stereo image...

I am a rookie at all of this, learning as I go, working on a Yamaha AW4416.
The sound quality is good, and I think I have a good handle on all of the
functions, but still, when compared to modern commercial music, I just can't
seem to get the instruments distinguished from each other. With the stuff I
hear on the radio, I'm able to hear each instrument so precisely and
perfectly, each in its own little pocket of music landscape. With my
music, it seems rather claustrophobic.... but not muddy ---

I've tried playing with the EQ so that different tracks don't interfere with
each other in the frequency spectrum..

I've tried playing with the panning to get instruments away from each other,
but that didn't really help either...

(If anyone is interested in actually hearing the songs in question, please
visit my website, www.guestroomproject.com to hear the songs. I recommend
Traffic or Fix)

Is there an effect I can add to help me? Or some other technique i can use
or research to help with this problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.

"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message


there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver a broad stereo image...

Is there an effect I can add to help me?

Delay, reverb.

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I could
diddle knobs all day....

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar when I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message


there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver a broad stereo image...

Is there an effect I can add to help me?

Delay, reverb.

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I could
diddle knobs all day....

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar when I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Thanks

regarding panning, for example on Traffic, there's two lead guitar parts
playing in harmony. ONe's panned L7, one's R7 (out of 16 I think).

on fix, it's just the one lead, but I had two mics on the cabinet, and I've
panned those hard left and hard right, which helped the stereo image a
little, but not much more..

Any more tips regarding panning?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.




wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My
lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and
started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar when I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

I've listened to your art from time to time and I must say I'm always
pleased.
I'm speaking in terms of the grooves that you lay down.
I know you're probably working out of your school but, I'm curious what's
your equipment setup?

--
Black Cree
"More Than Tracks and Beats"
201.735.0097
www.blackcree.com


"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
news
You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Thanks

regarding panning, for example on Traffic, there's two lead guitar parts
playing in harmony. ONe's panned L7, one's R7 (out of 16 I think).

on fix, it's just the one lead, but I had two mics on the cabinet, and
I've
panned those hard left and hard right, which helped the stereo image a
little, but not much more..

Any more tips regarding panning?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.




wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My
lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and
started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I
could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar when
I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

Sorry for the partially dumb questions, I see your site says you record out
of your apartment.
I'm still curious what your apartment setup is like.

--
Black Cree
"More Than Tracks and Beats"
201.735.0097
www.blackcree.com
"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
news
You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Thanks

regarding panning, for example on Traffic, there's two lead guitar parts
playing in harmony. ONe's panned L7, one's R7 (out of 16 I think).

on fix, it's just the one lead, but I had two mics on the cabinet, and
I've
panned those hard left and hard right, which helped the stereo image a
little, but not much more..

Any more tips regarding panning?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.




wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry. My
lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and
started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I
could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar when
I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

I know you're probably working out of your school but, I'm curious what's
your equipment setup?

Thank you very much

I do record in the guest room of my apartment (thus, the Guestroom Project)

I use an all-in-one recorder made by Yamaha. It's a Yamaha AW4416, you can
check it out on their webpage. I play the bass, guitar, and keyboards, I
write the lyrics, and program the drums in my drum machine, a Boss Dr 770.
My friend Jon Kidder sings the vocals.

The only other equipment I have is a couple of mics, a mic preamp (the
preamps on the AW are fairly weak), and all my typical guitar/bass gear.

I am always impressed with how good and cheap equipment has become over the
last few years....


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.





"Black Cree" wrote in message
news
I've listened to your art from time to time and I must say I'm always
pleased.
I'm speaking in terms of the grooves that you lay down.
I know you're probably working out of your school but, I'm curious what's
your equipment setup?

--
Black Cree
"More Than Tracks and Beats"
201.735.0097
www.blackcree.com


"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
news
You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Thanks

regarding panning, for example on Traffic, there's two lead guitar parts
playing in harmony. ONe's panned L7, one's R7 (out of 16 I think).

on fix, it's just the one lead, but I had two mics on the cabinet, and
I've
panned those hard left and hard right, which helped the stereo image a
little, but not much more..

Any more tips regarding panning?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.




wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry.
My
lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and
started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I
could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar
when
I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

www.blackcree.com

After checking out your website, I think you should check back on my site in
a week or two, I have a new song I'm just putting the finishing touches on
that you may like. It's called Corduroy Pt. II, and it's got a good
repetitive beat with a kind of techno-y drum track...


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Black Cree" wrote in message
news
I've listened to your art from time to time and I must say I'm always
pleased.
I'm speaking in terms of the grooves that you lay down.
I know you're probably working out of your school but, I'm curious what's
your equipment setup?

--
Black Cree
"More Than Tracks and Beats"
201.735.0097
www.blackcree.com


"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
news
You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Thanks

regarding panning, for example on Traffic, there's two lead guitar parts
playing in harmony. ONe's panned L7, one's R7 (out of 16 I think).

on fix, it's just the one lead, but I had two mics on the cabinet, and
I've
panned those hard left and hard right, which helped the stereo image a
little, but not much more..

Any more tips regarding panning?


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.




wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:13 -0400, "£ Î Z @ R Ð"
wrote:

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry.
My
lips
get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into Audition and
started
playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb that it offers. I
could
diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar
when
I
record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum machine and
keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

What is Audition?

Thanks for taking the time to listen to the music.

You mentioned that you played with the pans, but It seemed to me that
both Traffic and Fix sounded very centered. It could have been my PC
speakers not having a lot of separation.

I thought Traffic was a nice jam, and I liked Fix as well. I also
like the way your web page is setup. Its fairly simple but better
laid out then a lot of overly cluttered pro and amateur sites.

Swyck

"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry.
My lips get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into
Audition and started playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb
that it offers. I could diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar
when I record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum
machine and keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

Depends. I think of short-duration reverb added to a track as a lifelike
simulation of refections from nearby objects, and long-duration reverb added
to the whole mix as a simulation of more distant objects and walls, in some
simulated room.

So what's your vision for the recording? What is your mental image for the
virtual room it happened in?

What is Audition?

DAW software

So what's your vision for the recording? What is your mental image for the
virtual room it happened in?

well, funny you should ask this question, because the environment in which
the music was recorded plays heavily into the whole project... It's called
the Guestroom Project because it's recorded in the guest room of my
apartment, which is in a 150-year old mansion.. The room is about 16x18,
covered in old Persian rugs, low lights, velvet curtains, etc.

--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry.
My lips get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into
Audition and started playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb
that it offers. I could diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar
when I record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum
machine and keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

Depends. I think of short-duration reverb added to a track as a lifelike
simulation of refections from nearby objects, and long-duration reverb
added
to the whole mix as a simulation of more distant objects and walls, in
some
simulated room.

So what's your vision for the recording? What is your mental image for the
virtual room it happened in?

What is Audition?

DAW software

I'll definitely check back.
I asked what your setup was because, I play all of my own instruments too.
I still haven't found a comfortable way of working because I have to record
myself and play at the same time. I'm always curious to hear how other folks
manage to record themselves.

--
Yusef Assaan
Black Cree
"More Than Tracks and Beats"
201.735.0097
www.blackcree.com
"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
...
So what's your vision for the recording? What is your mental image for
the
virtual room it happened in?

well, funny you should ask this question, because the environment in which
the music was recorded plays heavily into the whole project... It's
called
the Guestroom Project because it's recorded in the guest room of my
apartment, which is in a 150-year old mansion.. The room is about 16x18,
covered in old Persian rugs, low lights, velvet curtains, etc.

--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message

Your "traffic" has some pretty fair playing, but it is oh, so dry.
My lips get parched just thinking about it. I popped it into
Audition and started playing with the zillions of flavors of reverb
that it offers. I could diddle knobs all day....

yes, most of my songs are pretty dry. I have reverb on my guitar
when I record it, and I add reverb to the vocals. Also, my drum
machine and keyboard has reverb built in... So I rarely add reverb.

Do you suggest adding it to the final mix? or individual tracks?

Depends. I think of short-duration reverb added to a track as a lifelike
simulation of refections from nearby objects, and long-duration reverb
added
to the whole mix as a simulation of more distant objects and walls, in
some
simulated room.

So what's your vision for the recording? What is your mental image for
the
virtual room it happened in?

What is Audition?

DAW software

"£ Î Z @ R ETH" wrote in message ...
there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't deliver
a broad stereo image...

Hi, I listened to Traffic through headphones and enjoyed the music.
It does sound like you're being a little conservative with the panning
and you don't have a lot of front/back differentiation either.
Listening through phones I noticed that there were certain cymbal hits
that would pop out on either side (almost distracting) and a couple of
spots with slightly panned guitar harmonies. But other than that the
whole mix felt like it sat pretty solidly in the center of my head.
Why not do another mix and try something more radical with a definite
sound picture in mind?

For example, the guitars are the main focus so maybe don't pan the
harmonies to different places but stack them all up as though they are
were one voice. Then pan the reverb or delay send from the guitars
way off to one side. And pick a part to be way in the back and give
it more distance by using more delay or reverb.

I believe there's a soft organ part in there right? Maybe that could
be pushed into the background with more of a shimmery reverb and
leslie effect and then actually brought up in volume a bit to add some
space around the whole mix.

I thought the most "expansive" part was the ending where the notes
kind of bloom and ring out. Maybe you could use more automation to
highlight certain parts and help add some dynamics to the energy of
the music. For example at the end of a section or phrase you could
increase the level of reverb or other effects to allow the guitar
notes to ring out while bringing the bass down a bit. Or add some
really wide, panning type of effects (leslie, chorus, tremelo) to a
reverb return and bring that up during climactic parts to add a kind
of swelling shimmer.

Anyway, these are just a few thoughts and I hope they help a little.
As the disclaimer on your page says, they may just need a little
mastering to add some high-end sheen.

awesome, thank you so much for the thoughts.. Very helpful.

--

- Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.


"initialsBB" wrote in message
m...
"£ Î Z @ R ETH" wrote in message
...
there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver
a broad stereo image...

Hi, I listened to Traffic through headphones and enjoyed the music.
It does sound like you're being a little conservative with the panning
and you don't have a lot of front/back differentiation either.
Listening through phones I noticed that there were certain cymbal hits
that would pop out on either side (almost distracting) and a couple of
spots with slightly panned guitar harmonies. But other than that the
whole mix felt like it sat pretty solidly in the center of my head.
Why not do another mix and try something more radical with a definite
sound picture in mind?

For example, the guitars are the main focus so maybe don't pan the
harmonies to different places but stack them all up as though they are
were one voice. Then pan the reverb or delay send from the guitars
way off to one side. And pick a part to be way in the back and give
it more distance by using more delay or reverb.

I believe there's a soft organ part in there right? Maybe that could
be pushed into the background with more of a shimmery reverb and
leslie effect and then actually brought up in volume a bit to add some
space around the whole mix.

I thought the most "expansive" part was the ending where the notes
kind of bloom and ring out. Maybe you could use more automation to
highlight certain parts and help add some dynamics to the energy of
the music. For example at the end of a section or phrase you could
increase the level of reverb or other effects to allow the guitar
notes to ring out while bringing the bass down a bit. Or add some
really wide, panning type of effects (leslie, chorus, tremelo) to a
reverb return and bring that up during climactic parts to add a kind
of swelling shimmer.

Anyway, these are just a few thoughts and I hope they help a little.
As the disclaimer on your page says, they may just need a little
mastering to add some high-end sheen.

In article ,
says...
What is Audition?
http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html

A low priced Audio editor.
--
/ Peter Kaersaa

Peter Kaersaa wrote:
In article ,
says...
What is Audition?
http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html

A low priced Audio editor.

Formerly known as Cool Edit.


--

-S.
"We started to see evidence of the professional groupie in the early 80's.
Alarmingly, these girls bore a striking resemblance to Motley Crue." --
David Lee Roth

Just listening now and it's apparent to me that you mix on headphones. Stop
it. That should end your problems.

Sorry it's taken me so long to add to this thread but I've been stuck in
remodelling hell, and I've now screwed my systems up by mixing and matching
ADAT outputs between the two computers.

Personally, I like what you're doing but mix on speakers and you'll see why
you have the problems you presented.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
...
there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver
a broad stereo image...

I am a rookie at all of this, learning as I go, working on a Yamaha
AW4416.
The sound quality is good, and I think I have a good handle on all of the
functions, but still, when compared to modern commercial music, I just
can't
seem to get the instruments distinguished from each other. With the stuff
I
hear on the radio, I'm able to hear each instrument so precisely and
perfectly, each in its own little pocket of music landscape. With my
music, it seems rather claustrophobic.... but not muddy ---

I've tried playing with the EQ so that different tracks don't interfere
with
each other in the frequency spectrum..

I've tried playing with the panning to get instruments away from each
other,
but that didn't really help either...

(If anyone is interested in actually hearing the songs in question, please
visit my website, www.guestroomproject.com to hear the songs. I recommend
Traffic or Fix)

Is there an effect I can add to help me? Or some other technique i can
use
or research to help with this problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.

And when you want to do doubles on guitars, make them hard right and hard
left. It just makes it easier to fit things inbetween.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Just listening now and it's apparent to me that you mix on headphones.
Stop
it. That should end your problems.

Sorry it's taken me so long to add to this thread but I've been stuck in
remodelling hell, and I've now screwed my systems up by mixing and
matching
ADAT outputs between the two computers.

Personally, I like what you're doing but mix on speakers and you'll see
why
you have the problems you presented.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
...
there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver
a broad stereo image...

I am a rookie at all of this, learning as I go, working on a Yamaha
AW4416.
The sound quality is good, and I think I have a good handle on all of
the
functions, but still, when compared to modern commercial music, I just
can't
seem to get the instruments distinguished from each other. With the
stuff
I
hear on the radio, I'm able to hear each instrument so precisely and
perfectly, each in its own little pocket of music landscape. With my
music, it seems rather claustrophobic.... but not muddy ---

I've tried playing with the EQ so that different tracks don't interfere
with
each other in the frequency spectrum..

I've tried playing with the panning to get instruments away from each
other,
but that didn't really help either...

(If anyone is interested in actually hearing the songs in question,
please
visit my website, www.guestroomproject.com to hear the songs. I
recommend
Traffic or Fix)

Is there an effect I can add to help me? Or some other technique i can
use
or research to help with this problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.

Just listening now and it's apparent to me that you mix on headphones.
Stop
it. That should end your problems.

Actually I mix on studio monitors, but I'm curious why you thought I did it
on headphones. It's possible that the studio monitors don't accurately
reproduce the sound.....


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.





"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Just listening now and it's apparent to me that you mix on headphones.
Stop
it. That should end your problems.

Sorry it's taken me so long to add to this thread but I've been stuck in
remodelling hell, and I've now screwed my systems up by mixing and
matching
ADAT outputs between the two computers.

Personally, I like what you're doing but mix on speakers and you'll see
why
you have the problems you presented.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"£ Î Z @ R Ð" wrote in message
...
there's probably a better word to describe the problem I have, but
basically, compared to commercially produced music, my music doesn't
deliver
a broad stereo image...

I am a rookie at all of this, learning as I go, working on a Yamaha
AW4416.
The sound quality is good, and I think I have a good handle on all of
the
functions, but still, when compared to modern commercial music, I just
can't
seem to get the instruments distinguished from each other. With the
stuff
I
hear on the radio, I'm able to hear each instrument so precisely and
perfectly, each in its own little pocket of music landscape. With my
music, it seems rather claustrophobic.... but not muddy ---

I've tried playing with the EQ so that different tracks don't interfere
with
each other in the frequency spectrum..

I've tried playing with the panning to get instruments away from each
other,
but that didn't really help either...

(If anyone is interested in actually hearing the songs in question,
please
visit my website, www.guestroomproject.com to hear the songs. I
recommend
Traffic or Fix)

Is there an effect I can add to help me? Or some other technique i can
use
or research to help with this problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


--

-Jonathan

JUST UPDATED (6-21-04) with TWO new songs!
Go to http://www.guestroomproject.com/ to
hear some music from my upcoming solo album,
the Guestroom Project. I play all the instruments.