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Quick question and it's ON TOPIC!
OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm
bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Roger, The chip with the W52 is for a Windows machine. The chip the M52 is for a Mac. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Roger, The chip with the W52 is for a Windows machine. The chip the M52 is for a Mac. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. For all you know the codes you question are date codes, with the cosmic significance that not all parts of a kind are made on the same day or same month or whatever. But you already knew that, right? |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. For all you know the codes you question are date codes, with the cosmic significance that not all parts of a kind are made on the same day or same month or whatever. But you already knew that, right? |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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"EricK" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" Wow! Makes some sense. W52 for windows and M52 for Mac. This of course raises the question as to why they couldn't make one card that works for both, like some of their competition. |
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"EricK" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" Wow! Makes some sense. W52 for windows and M52 for Mac. This of course raises the question as to why they couldn't make one card that works for both, like some of their competition. |
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As it turns out, it makes sense. W = Windows, M = Mac.
But hey, Arny, with three new boards to install you know better than to assume. Now if I can just find the manual, maybe it would have answered my question, but then again, finding anything right now is still almost a futile effort. Damned remodelling. If your wife ever wants to remodel, just remember these words. "Don't do it" -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news  "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. For all you know the codes you question are date codes, with the cosmic significance that not all parts of a kind are made on the same day or same month or whatever. But you already knew that, right? |
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As it turns out, it makes sense. W = Windows, M = Mac.
But hey, Arny, with three new boards to install you know better than to assume. Now if I can just find the manual, maybe it would have answered my question, but then again, finding anything right now is still almost a futile effort. Damned remodelling. If your wife ever wants to remodel, just remember these words. "Don't do it" -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. For all you know the codes you question are date codes, with the cosmic significance that not all parts of a kind are made on the same day or same month or whatever. But you already knew that, right? |
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Thank you, Eric. Makes sense. Too much sense, in fact. Threw me for a
loop looking for some convoluted meaning! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "EricK" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Roger, The chip with the W52 is for a Windows machine. The chip the M52 is for a Mac. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Thank you, Eric. Makes sense. Too much sense, in fact. Threw me for a
loop looking for some convoluted meaning! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "EricK" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: OK, so I'm installing an RME digi9652 Hammerfall and I noticed (gee, I'm bright, it was sitting right in the package) that there's an additional 8 pin IC that has M52 on it. Now the chip on the board has a W52 on it. I make the wild hair assumption that the W52 is an upgrade chip from the M52, but it would be nice if anyone has information for me on this before I go all wild and lock this computer down. I have an Adaptec SATA board to install as well as a Canopus ADVC 1394 video capture card, so info on this chip question would certainly be appreciated. And yes, I looked at RME's site. Roger, The chip with the W52 is for a Windows machine. The chip the M52 is for a Mac. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... The OP said nothing about 3 boards. Yes it did. The Adaptec SATA RAID controller and the Canopus ADVC 1394 in addition to the RME. You just missed it. Oh, I thought you meant 3 RME boards. I admit it. I rarely if ever put in 3 boards at a time. I put in one board 3 times. |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... The OP said nothing about 3 boards. Yes it did. The Adaptec SATA RAID controller and the Canopus ADVC 1394 in addition to the RME. You just missed it. Oh, I thought you meant 3 RME boards. I admit it. I rarely if ever put in 3 boards at a time. I put in one board 3 times. |
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BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? I ask because I am about to purchase a couple new drives and was going to go with SATA because my mboard has the interface but this is the second time I have heard of performance issues. I currently have ATA100 drives and would hate to go backwards... Thanks, Brian |
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BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? I ask because I am about to purchase a couple new drives and was going to go with SATA because my mboard has the interface but this is the second time I have heard of performance issues. I currently have ATA100 drives and would hate to go backwards... Thanks, Brian |
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"Brian Allen" wrote in message
ink.net BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? My experience with SATA is that it works pretty much the same as legacy ATA for a comparable drive. I've built 3 machines this way. But I'm not using Roger's Gigabyte 8NNXP A64 motherboard (Nvidia chipset), I'm using the ECS A64 755 motherboard (SIS chipset). Very dissimilar boards. The GB 8NNXP uses the Silicon Image outboard PCI to SATA bridge, while the ECS 755 uses an integrated SATA controller that provides a more direct route to the CPU and RAM. Other than no difference in performance with SATA, I like the concept and size of the new cables, but the implementation seems to not be appreciably more durable. |
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"Brian Allen" wrote in message
ink.net BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? My experience with SATA is that it works pretty much the same as legacy ATA for a comparable drive. I've built 3 machines this way. But I'm not using Roger's Gigabyte 8NNXP A64 motherboard (Nvidia chipset), I'm using the ECS A64 755 motherboard (SIS chipset). Very dissimilar boards. The GB 8NNXP uses the Silicon Image outboard PCI to SATA bridge, while the ECS 755 uses an integrated SATA controller that provides a more direct route to the CPU and RAM. Other than no difference in performance with SATA, I like the concept and size of the new cables, but the implementation seems to not be appreciably more durable. |
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You can see what my experience tells me. With audio ATA100 drives work well
enough and you're less inhibited by bussing problems than with SATA (they each require their own bus), but still, I haven't seen anything that superscedes SCSI for an all out performance machine. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Brian Allen" wrote in message ink.net... BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? I ask because I am about to purchase a couple new drives and was going to go with SATA because my mboard has the interface but this is the second time I have heard of performance issues. I currently have ATA100 drives and would hate to go backwards... Thanks, Brian |
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You can see what my experience tells me. With audio ATA100 drives work well
enough and you're less inhibited by bussing problems than with SATA (they each require their own bus), but still, I haven't seen anything that superscedes SCSI for an all out performance machine. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Brian Allen" wrote in message ink.net... BTW, also installed the Adaptec SATA board and it didn't help (I mentioned bad performance issues before with the onboard SATA controller). The drive is a Seagate Barracuda 7200 and it's performance is dismal even when I upgraded HD Tach to 3.0 (since I'm using XP Pro). I don't grade this drive/interface any better than I would an ATA66 setup. I am curious about this. Has anybody else had this experience with SATA drives? I ask because I am about to purchase a couple new drives and was going to go with SATA because my mboard has the interface but this is the second time I have heard of performance issues. I currently have ATA100 drives and would hate to go backwards... Thanks, Brian |
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Still only two boards so far. I admit, I'm afraid! g But once this last
multitrack mix plays, I'm going to shut it down and add the Canopus card. Undoubtedly all hell will break loose, but then I can always go back outside and do some work! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... The OP said nothing about 3 boards. Yes it did. The Adaptec SATA RAID controller and the Canopus ADVC 1394 in addition to the RME. You just missed it. Oh, I thought you meant 3 RME boards. I admit it. I rarely if ever put in 3 boards at a time. I put in one board 3 times. |
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Still only two boards so far. I admit, I'm afraid! g But once this last
multitrack mix plays, I'm going to shut it down and add the Canopus card. Undoubtedly all hell will break loose, but then I can always go back outside and do some work! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... The OP said nothing about 3 boards. Yes it did. The Adaptec SATA RAID controller and the Canopus ADVC 1394 in addition to the RME. You just missed it. Oh, I thought you meant 3 RME boards. I admit it. I rarely if ever put in 3 boards at a time. I put in one board 3 times. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"EricK" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" Wow! Makes some sense. W52 for windows and M52 for Mac. This of course raises the question as to why they couldn't make one card that works for both, like some of their competition. They do, and have for several years now. The 9632/9652 are an older generation of card. RME was one of the first to put ASIO in hardware, reducing the load on the host computer significantly. In fact, when releasing flash updates to the firmware on their current products, they are referred to as 'hardware version.' |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"EricK" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: Frankly Roger, I think that you are thinking way to hard. Just put the %$#! card in the machine, load the drivers and see if it makes tunes. I have the Nuendo 96/52 card. But, I don't see why that will be any different. From the owner's manual, verbatim: "The Nuendo 96/52 audio card is originally equipped with an EEPROM for use on Windows computers. If you plan to use this card on Apple Macintosh computers, you will have to exchange the EEPROM first!. An extra EEPROM labeled M52 is included in Nuendo 96/52 package. Please replace the EEPROM before inserting the card into your Macintosh computer!" Wow! Makes some sense. W52 for windows and M52 for Mac. This of course raises the question as to why they couldn't make one card that works for both, like some of their competition. They do, and have for several years now. The 9632/9652 are an older generation of card. RME was one of the first to put ASIO in hardware, reducing the load on the host computer significantly. In fact, when releasing flash updates to the firmware on their current products, they are referred to as 'hardware version.' |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
You can see what my experience tells me. With audio ATA100 drives work well enough and you're less inhibited by bussing problems than with SATA (they each require their own bus), but still, I haven't seen anything that superscedes SCSI for an all out performance machine. SCSI drives are faster (and more expensive) than ATA drives, with the notable exception of the WD Raptor series (which are basically SCSI-class drives with SATA interfaces. The caveat with SCSI for audio machines is that many of the host adapters are serious bus hogs and can overwhelm your PCI bandwidth to the point where audio performance takes a hit. Modern x86 chipsets have their PATA or SATA ports hangiung directly off the southbridge and therefore not sharing PCI bus bandwidth. Server chipsets typically have multiple PCI buses so the disk controller(s) can be separated from the other I/O but many server chipsets don't handle low latency audio as well as the desktop chipsets. |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
You can see what my experience tells me. With audio ATA100 drives work well enough and you're less inhibited by bussing problems than with SATA (they each require their own bus), but still, I haven't seen anything that superscedes SCSI for an all out performance machine. SCSI drives are faster (and more expensive) than ATA drives, with the notable exception of the WD Raptor series (which are basically SCSI-class drives with SATA interfaces. The caveat with SCSI for audio machines is that many of the host adapters are serious bus hogs and can overwhelm your PCI bandwidth to the point where audio performance takes a hit. Modern x86 chipsets have their PATA or SATA ports hangiung directly off the southbridge and therefore not sharing PCI bus bandwidth. Server chipsets typically have multiple PCI buses so the disk controller(s) can be separated from the other I/O but many server chipsets don't handle low latency audio as well as the desktop chipsets. |
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Man, I've only begun to get the concrete backer board on the metal stud
frame, so I still have that to finish (tomorrow, probably) and then start putting up the brick facing (after I finish up the siding my contractor never finished). But the grill works and is in place, so even if the patio is not totally finished and the cookstation is only half done, the function of the space is there. But Bev got a call yesterday and is now going out of town for the Labor Day holiday (to Arizona, no less, so I think she'll be out of ear shot), so I think we've got a winner as far as timeframe. Particular day needs working on, but I'm leaning towards Saturday, the 4th because I can get the smoker working early, clean the pool, and by then the patio should be totally in place and I might even have the studio cleaned up and the new baby grand unveiled. Of course, somebody is going to have to help me clean up and I don't want foreign things floating in the pool, nor the dogs to get out of the yard or the cats to get out of the house, but other than that, we might actually get the police over! g So, does the 4th of September work for everybody? John, Dorsey and Delian, Scott and Melissa, Don Cooper, Mike, Gantt, Analogeezer, Phil (Mothra666), and whomever else on RAP that lives in the DC area (ksorry if I forgot anyone)? Bring instruments or not (I have a few). Bring CDs or DVDs or not (that's up to you). Bring your own poison because I'm not taking responsibility for serving any beverages except sodas, iced tea and coffee. Scott, bring me my darned tapes back! The grill has some 730 Sq Inches of cooking space, so don't feel bashful about bringing something to cook. Plus there is the range in the house with a convection oven and a 4 burner gas cooktop. The smoker will already be busy. Did I cover everything? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "JoVee" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman at wrote on 7/15/04 9:45 AM: As it turns out, it makes sense. W = Windows, M = Mac. But hey, Arny, with three new boards to install you know better than to assume. Now if I can just find the manual, maybe it would have answered my question, but then again, finding anything right now is still almost a futile effort. Damned remodelling. If your wife ever wants to remodel, just remember these words. "Don't do it" oh fiddlesticks! I've seen the current state of your Project Hell and it's frustratingly-close-to-finished GREAT!!!! and yeah I know you really know and you;re too damned immersed in teh Awful Details and that's absolutely legit, but MAN you guys made a whole new HOUSE almost in there! Then there's the Killer Grille Patio Installation just outside the door... Bitch all you want: you;ve earned every syllable in teh sweat and mental madness you;ve gone through, but the RESULTS speak loudly and clearly for themselves... it's close to over... even the pool's working... and when are we supposed to christen all this? -- John I-22 (that's 'I' for Initial...) Recognising what's NOT worth your time, THAT'S the key. -- |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
... That was supposed to say "an additional 4 burner gas cooktop", which makes 8 burners in the house, and the grill has a 12,000 BTU sideburner. Is that RMS?  -- Neil Henderson Saqqara Records http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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Well, if you want to see one of the funniest things I've ever seen,
regardless of RMS or not, then request through email and I'll send you a picture of one BBQ eating young lady (it's my youngest grandchild). -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio wrote in message om... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... That was supposed to say "an additional 4 burner gas cooktop", which makes 8 burners in the house, and the grill has a 12,000 BTU sideburner. Is that RMS? -- Neil Henderson Saqqara Records http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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