I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.

What is the mininum of gear for a small or home studio? Since most
people have computers with recording software, they could be called a
studio and seems many people do it.

Christian Serig wrote:
What is the mininum of gear for a small or home studio? Since most
people have computers with recording software, they could be called a
studio and seems many people do it.

The first studio I worked at had one tape machine, a four-channel mixer,
a pair of Altec 604s and I think probably three RCA 77DXes.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

orbb,

how many small/home studios there are in the country.

I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA. I don't know if this is really accurate,
but it sounds plausible.

--Ethan

--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com


"Christian Serig" wrote in message
om...
What is the mininum of gear for a small or home studio? Since most
people have computers with recording software, they could be called a
studio and seems many people do it.

"Christian Serig" wrote in message
om...
What is the mininum of gear for a small or home studio? Since most
people have computers with recording software, they could be called a
studio and seems many people do it.

There is no real "minimum"... is this a hypothetical question or are you
trying to set up a studio & wondering what you'll need in order to have a
fairly comprehensive setup?
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

In article writes:

The first studio I worked at had one tape machine, a four-channel mixer,
a pair of Altec 604s and I think probably three RCA 77DXes.

The first studio I remember visiting had one Ampex 600, an RCA 44
microphone, and a small room lined with Celotex acoustical tiles. The
engineer was blind (no, this was long before Greg Lukens) and he had
the glass removed from the front of the VU meter on the recorder so he
could feel where the pointer was, and how hard it was hitting his
finger.

I can't remember what speakers were used for monitoring.



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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
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and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

wow, that just made my day. thanks, mike.

chris deckard




The first studio I remember visiting had one Ampex 600, an RCA 44
microphone, and a small room lined with Celotex acoustical tiles. The
engineer was blind (no, this was long before Greg Lukens) and he had
the glass removed from the front of the VU meter on the recorder so he
could feel where the pointer was, and how hard it was hitting his
finger.

I can't remember what speakers were used for monitoring.

Which country?

Toby

"orbb" wrote in message
om...
I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.

"Toby" wrote in message ...
Which country?

Toby

"orbb" wrote in message
om...
I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Sorry, Toby, I've got that ignorant American view of the world. I
meant the US.

Ethan, I assume that this is something in your business that you might
find useful. Is that a trade group/industry group for studio owners,
especially those outside the big markets?

"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...
I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA. I don't know if this is really
accurate,
but it sounds plausible.

Like Bill Park said, hard to swing a dead cat and NOT hit a home studio
these days.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


--Ethan

"Christian Serig" wrote in message
om...
What is the mininum of gear for a small or home studio? Since most
people have computers with recording software, they could be called a
studio and seems many people do it.

First one has to decide what the purpose of the studio is, so if it's to
record you doing your music, then there's still two avenues, one being you
playing live instruments and multitracking, or the other being something
that incorporates midi or whatever musical generation setup you want to use,
and the ability to import audio of some sort.

From there, it's a matter of scale not function. The more real instruments
you want to record with people on them, the more tracks you need, but the
more inputs you need if you are doing those tracks simultaneously. As a
midi production studio, you may want to include more sampling instruments or
samplers like Akai and such, and the number of those being simultaneously
used would require audio tracks, too. If it's VSTi or DXi, then it's
computer power along with multiple tracks, but any decent sequencer today
has more than enough midi tracks to drive most systems, hybrid or not.

The point being that one person's home studio is another person's waste of
space, or another person's dream. Pick a purpose, set requirements and a
budget, do research and then come ask about specifics. We'd be more than
willing to give you additional direction.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

I own a studio but I'm over 6 foot....

Guy

orbb wrote:
I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.

--
Mark Hicks
Trent Studios

"Bigguy" wrote in message
...
I own a studio but I'm over 6 foot....

Guy

orbb wrote:
I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.


I'm 5'7" tall and own a studio. Do I qualify?
--
Mark Hicks
Trent Studios

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:09:33 -0400, "Roger W. Norman"
wrote:

"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...
I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA. I don't know if this is really
accurate,
but it sounds plausible.

Like Bill Park said, hard to swing a dead cat and NOT hit a home studio
these days.

Okay, this could make for easy calculation: Take the area over
which you can swing a dead cat, and divide that into the total land
area in question.

Ethan Winer wrote:

how many small/home studios there are in the country.

I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA. I don't know if this is really accurate,
but it sounds plausible.


As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life, I'd
guess that he's full of it.


Don

orbb wrote:

Sorry, Toby, I've got that ignorant American view of the world. I
meant the US.


It's kinda like the New Yorker's view of the world, only slightly larger.



Don

In my area I know of 4 personal studios in about a 3 block radius, and then
within a mile it brings in Gantt Kushner's Gizmo and within 3 miles it
brings in JoVee's Soundscene. That just in one direction. An extrapolation
may or may not be accurate, but it provides food for thought.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Don Cooper" wrote in message
...


Ethan Winer wrote:

how many small/home studios there are in the country.

I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA. I don't know if this is really
accurate,
but it sounds plausible.


As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life, I'd
guess that he's full of it.


Don

In article writes:

I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA.

As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life, I'd
guess that he's full of it.

Erring in which direction? What's your guess?



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Roger W. Norman" wrote:

In my area I know of 4 personal studios in about a 3 block radius, and then
within a mile it brings in Gantt Kushner's Gizmo and within 3 miles it
brings in JoVee's Soundscene. That just in one direction. An extrapolation
may or may not be accurate, but it provides food for thought.


I just meant that very few salesman will say "I don't know." They'll
make something up." As far as the actual number, I don't know. : )


Don

Mike Rivers wrote:

As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life, I'd
guess that he's full of it.

Erring in which direction? What's your guess?


I don't know. But when I trained people in sales, I told them to be
honest when they didn't know.


Don

Neither do I, but still...

And it's a problem we all face. In a commercial environment where studios
mostly inhabited spaces that are known with purposes that are known, it's
hard to say these days where one is likely to be operating within the
environs of another studio. It's more a happenstance of word or mouth
rather than advertising. I know that Gantt and I both have placements on
DiscMakers "studios" database. I don't advertise in any local anythings.
Neither do most of those I know locally. If, again extrapolating, this is
true across the board, it's almost impossible to tell just how many personal
and project studios are around. My example was one of, this exists, if this
than this...

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Don Cooper" wrote in message
...


"Roger W. Norman" wrote:

In my area I know of 4 personal studios in about a 3 block radius, and
then
within a mile it brings in Gantt Kushner's Gizmo and within 3 miles it
brings in JoVee's Soundscene. That just in one direction. An
extrapolation
may or may not be accurate, but it provides food for thought.


I just meant that very few salesman will say "I don't know." They'll
make something up." As far as the actual number, I don't know. : )


Don

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1089121051k@trad...

In article writes:

I was told recently by someone in pro audio sales that there are about
100,000 "home studios" in the USA.

As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life, I'd
guess that he's full of it.

Erring in which direction? What's your guess?


My guess would be, "too many".

DM

In article writes:

100,000 "home studios" in the USA.

My guess would be, "too many".

It depends on what you include in the count. If you include everyone
with a computer, a microphone, and an idea (instruments optional) I
think there could easily be 100,000. I think I remember a count of
upwards of 20,000 commerical studios back in the heyday.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Now that's funny! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bigguy" wrote in message
...
I own a studio but I'm over 6 foot....

Guy

orbb wrote:
I was wondering if anyone ever came across any statistics of how many
small/home studios there are in the country. I think I have seen this
stat before, but I can't remeber where. Any input would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Please point me to some of the people you trained! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Don Cooper" wrote in message
...


Mike Rivers wrote:

As someone who has been in pro audio sales for nearly half my life,
I'd
guess that he's full of it.

Erring in which direction? What's your guess?


I don't know. But when I trained people in sales, I told them to be
honest when they didn't know.


Don

Even then it doesn't matter. What matters is that people come to you for
recording and that you provide them with a product they like. Who the hell
could ask for more?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1089133759k@trad...

In article
writes:

100,000 "home studios" in the USA.

My guess would be, "too many".

It depends on what you include in the count. If you include everyone
with a computer, a microphone, and an idea (instruments optional) I
think there could easily be 100,000. I think I remember a count of
upwards of 20,000 commerical studios back in the heyday.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ...

Even then it doesn't matter. What matters is that people come to you for
recording and that you provide them with a product they like. Who the hell
could ask for more?

Now you're talking 'competency'.... a matter to which many of these 'small'
studios cannot live up to. A couple of things can come of that: 1). The
client is not impressed but believes this is typical of today's market and
simply buys his own gear rather than doing a recording and being done
with it; 2). The client believes this *is* the current state of the art and
accepts a product that is far below what he otherwise normally would
have received from a more experienced studio/engineer.

True, it would take a young and inexperienced 'client' to make those
assumptions... but with as many people as there are today who want
to put their fingers in the pie of, "I have a studio," the market is changing
and as you've heard said before, the 'bar' is beling lowered as a result.

Perhaps a better definition of "Small Studio" is in order, but there remains
(quite usually) a *large* difference between an "owner" and an "engineer".

I finished a day's work recently and asked the client how many CDs of the
rough mixes they needed. "Just One" was the reply, as it turned out that
*everyone* in the band had Pro-Tools at home in what they were each willing
to call a 'studio', and were content to clone CDs and play with the results on
their own. I suppose I'll have to hear a dozen Eq'd and "mastered" versions
of the rough mixes and the results of dozens of 'plug-in' processors as we
near mix time. At least they had the good sense to understand, that to get
the job done they needed a decent environment and an experienced engineer.
Next time... who knows?

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

Now you're talking 'competency'.... a matter to which many of these 'small'
studios cannot live up to. A couple of things can come of that: 1). The
client is not impressed but believes this is typical of today's market and
simply buys his own gear rather than doing a recording and being done
with it

A positive feedback loop, amplified by magazine ads!

Looking for statistics on small studio owners

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2004, 9:19am From:
(Mike=A0Rivers)
In article writes:
The first studio I worked at had one tape machine, a four-channel mixer,
a pair of Altec 604s and I think probably three RCA 77DXes.
The first studio I remember visiting had one Ampex 600, an RCA 44
microphone, and a small room lined with Celotex acoustical tiles.


The engineer was blind (no, this was long before Greg Lukens) and he
had the glass removed from the front of the VU meter on the recorder so
he could feel where the pointer was, and how hard it was hitting his
finger.
I can't remember what speakers were used for monitoring.

Then there was Joe Giovanelli (sp) who I knew years ago in NY. He also
was blind and did the same finger in the meter thing.

He was also a gear reviewer for the old Audio magazine and designed a
line of speakers called Audio Tech.


Eric

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...

Even then it doesn't matter. What matters is that people come to you
for
recording and that you provide them with a product they like. Who the
hell
could ask for more?

Now you're talking 'competency'.... a matter to which many of these
'small'
studios cannot live up to. A couple of things can come of that: 1).
The
client is not impressed but believes this is typical of today's market
and
simply buys his own gear rather than doing a recording and being done
with it; 2). The client believes this *is* the current state of the
art and
accepts a product that is far below what he otherwise normally would
have received from a more experienced studio/engineer.

True, it would take a young and inexperienced 'client' to make those
assumptions... but with as many people as there are today who want
to put their fingers in the pie of, "I have a studio," the market is
changing
and as you've heard said before, the 'bar' is beling lowered as a result.

Is the bar really being lowered or is it that - due to more affordable gear
at the entry level - you're just hearing more of the same lowered-level bar
than vs. 25 years ago when it still required a (relatively speaking) much
more sizeable investment to have 8-track Teac, a midline console, and few
decent mics?

That's not rhetorical, was just wondering if that could actually be the
case.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

Then there was Joe Giovanelli (sp) who I knew years ago in NY. He also
was blind and did the same finger in the meter thing.


There was a blind engineer I occasionally worked with at KPFK in the 70s who
had a braille meter constructed for him. It was a row of electrodes that
provided a small charge to his fingertips. He used it mainly for setting
preliminary levels. Once the session got rolling he seemed to rely more on
monitoring the playback head, listening for the saturation level. And he was
pretty damn good, can't remember his name.

Scott Fraser

OSPAM wrote:

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
...


True, it would take a young and inexperienced 'client' to make
those assumptions... but with as many people as there are today
who want to put their fingers in the pie of, "I have a studio,"
the market is changing and as you've heard said before, the 'bar'
is beling lowered as a result.

Is the bar really being lowered or is it that - due to more affordable gear
at the entry level - you're just hearing more of the same lowered-level bar
than vs. 25 years ago when it still required a (relatively speaking) much
more sizeable investment to have 8-track Teac, a midline console, and few
decent mics?

IMO the level of commitment involved is at least as important as the quality of gear. Someone who (at whatver time in history) invests 1/4 of the price of a small house in their studio is either pretty serious about recording or just has money to burn.