Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the
unit itself, you can follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see
it:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...base_id/106341

My application will be using it to monitor the (multiple) outputs of a DAW,
and at this point I don't *anticipate* the signal from any of the inputs to
actually be recorded. However, being a realist, I imagine I should be
prepared to use it as an actual recorded input should my needs warrant it.
It may turn out that I decide someday that I would like to use the mixer
before the DAW input, who knows.

Anyway, aside from wanting info from anybody with personal experience with
this particular unit, I have a small list of other units, and would like
anybody's input on any of them, as well as suggestions for units I may not
have found. Listed in order of (current) preference.

Behringer RX1602 (8 stereo inputs, balanced)
Ashley LX-308B (8 stereo inputs, balanced) (would prolly have to look used,
due to price)

Rane SM82 (8 stereo inputs, UNbalanced)
US Audio MIX8S (8 stereo inputs, UNbalanced)
Roland M-120 (12 mono inputs, UNbalanced) (Long out of production, wish it
were balanced)
MA MCR-81 (8 mono inputs, UNbalanced)
Behringer MX882 (8 mono inputs, UNbalanced, splitter/mixer) (Really shying
away from this one, just included it for completeness)

At the moment, my budget for this is (quite) small, and that is another
reason I'm looking at the Behringer unit. In fact, many of the choices on
that list, I may have to bide my time until I find one used. (If anybody
here has ANY of the units above for sale used, let me know.) Again,
requirements a 8 to 16 inputs (more the better), 1 rackspace, balanced
highly preferred, cheap (whether a new unit or an older used unit) and
*reasonable* sound quality for the price. So, Esteemed Experts, any input,
or units I may have missed?

--

Kendall

Kendall wrote
Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the
unit itself, you can follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see
it:


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...25035388157/g=
home/search/detail/base_id/106341

My application will be using it to monitor the (multiple) outputs of a DAW,
and at this point I don't *anticipate* the signal from any of the inputs to
actually be recorded. However, being a realist, I imagine I should be
prepared to use it as an actual recorded input should my needs warrant it.
It may turn out that I decide someday that I would like to use the mixer
before the DAW input, who knows.

Anyway, aside from wanting info from anybody with personal experience with
this particular unit, I have a small list of other units, and would like
anybody's input on any of them, as well as suggestions for units I may not
have found. Listed in order of (current) preference.

Behringer RX1602 (8 stereo inputs, balanced)
Ashley LX-308B (8 stereo inputs, balanced) (would prolly have to look used,
due to price)

Rane SM82 (8 stereo inputs, UNbalanced)
US Audio MIX8S (8 stereo inputs, UNbalanced)
Roland M-120 (12 mono inputs, UNbalanced) (Long out of production, wish it
were balanced)
MA MCR-81 (8 mono inputs, UNbalanced)
Behringer MX882 (8 mono inputs, UNbalanced, splitter/mixer) (Really shying
away from this one, just included it for completeness)

At the moment, my budget for this is (quite) small, and that is another
reason I'm looking at the Behringer unit. In fact, many of the choices on
that list, I may have to bide my time until I find one used. (If anybody
here has ANY of the units above for sale used, let me know.) Again,
requirements a 8 to 16 inputs (more the better), 1 rackspace, balanced
highly preferred, cheap (whether a new unit or an older used unit) and
*reasonable* sound quality for the price. So, Esteemed Experts, any input,
or units I may have missed?

Well, no to all besides it being cheap, you can just bide your time and save
$1000.00 and get something that will sound much better.

"Kendall" wrote in message
news
Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect
for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be
able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the
unit itself, you can follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see
it:

--------- Snipped for Brevity------------


At the moment, my budget for this is (quite) small, and that is another
reason I'm looking at the Behringer unit. In fact, many of the choices on
that list, I may have to bide my time until I find one used. (If anybody
here has ANY of the units above for sale used, let me know.) Again,
requirements a 8 to 16 inputs (more the better), 1 rackspace, balanced
highly preferred, cheap (whether a new unit or an older used unit) and
*reasonable* sound quality for the price. So, Esteemed Experts, any
input,
or units I may have missed?

Go with the Behringer RX1602 ... I have had bad experiences with Behringer
in the past (just ask Phildo on AAPLS I have had many jousts with him on
this issue in the past) and steadfastly refused to consider them for any
serious application ... make that any application - however about a year ago
I had a need for a splitter/mixer for feeding a two track recording rack for
recording conferences etc and well basically I couldn't make a box to do
that job for the price of the MX882 so I bit the bullet and purchased one.

My previous premature failures of Behringer gear had involved dodgy
soldering in the main, so being a Tech I stripped the MX882 down before
risking it in a live situation and have to admit that although the
construction is Surface mount (pretty well makes it unserviceable) the
standard of build was pretty good, Certainly an enormous improvement over
what I have seen in the past.
Performance-wise Behringer is generally pretty clean and quiet, certainly
with stuff like this. Favourably comparable to anything else on the Market -
I have heard people make disparaging comments about their Mic Pres which I
find adequate but that is another issue.

the MX882 does what you want but if I were you I would happily buy an
RX1602 - you are going to be unlikely to find anything
better/cleaner/quieter and the price is pretty keen as well.

Behringer have Improved out of sight in recent years ....

Regards
Richard Freeman

the price. So, Esteemed Experts, any input,
or units I may have missed?

Well, no to all besides it being cheap, you can just bide your time and save
$1000.00 and get something that will sound much better.

or you can buy the behringer and get some experiance underyour belt
so when your working on a worthy paying project
you know what your doing
and you have made money to afford good gear
If I had waited to own Meyers and EAW before I started SR work I would
still be waiting
and I would not have had the experiance to know what was the right
product to "Invest" in(no the behringer is not a investment, it is a
expense") to both serve my market and earn me money
I ****ed away alot of money buying gear that was too "good" for the
application
ya don't need a u87 to call a bingo game
George

"Kendall" wrote in message
news
Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced
inputs. I need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The
thing is, Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it
would be perfect for my needs, but I'm leery because of everything
I've read, especially here. I'm hoping somebody here will have some
experience with the unit and be able to allay my fears that it will
be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the unit itself, you can
follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see it:

FWIW, I had a need for an 6 input, stereo-capable line mixer for my church's
mixing board.

I obtained a Behringer MX882, and found it to be just fine. In use it sounds
fine. I've only had it for a few months, so the fact that none of the knobs
have broken it not remarkable. I put it on the test bench, and its measured
performance was OK, certainly good enough for mixing the outputs of 2 CD
players and a tape deck.

I also have a Rane SM26 which is a competitive product that I use as a DA on
the same board. Frankly, I think that the SM26 is a bit more cleverly
designed than the MX882. Sound quality and bench performance are similar.
One is TRS-centric and the other is XLR-centric. One cost about three times
what the other cost.

At least some of Behringer's products aren't total crap.

"Richard Freeman" wrote in message ...
SNIP of original Posting

Go with the Behringer RX1602 ... I have had bad experiences with Behringer
in the past (just ask Phildo on AAPLS I have had many jousts with him on
this issue in the past) and steadfastly refused to consider them for any
serious application ... make that any application - however about a year ago
I had a need for a splitter/mixer for feeding a two track recording rack for
recording conferences etc and well basically I couldn't make a box to do
that job for the price of the MX882 so I bit the bullet and purchased one.


My previous premature failures of Behringer gear had involved dodgy
soldering in the main, so being a Tech I stripped the MX882 down before
risking it in a live situation and have to admit that although the
construction is Surface mount (pretty well makes it unserviceable) the
standard of build was pretty good, Certainly an enormous improvement over
what I have seen in the past.
Performance-wise Behringer is generally pretty clean and quiet, certainly
with stuff like this. Favourably comparable to anything else on the Market -
I have heard people make disparaging comments about their Mic Pres which I
find adequate but that is another issue.

the MX882 does what you want but if I were you I would happily buy an
RX1602 - you are going to be unlikely to find anything
better/cleaner/quieter and the price is pretty keen as well.

Behringer have Improved out of sight in recent years ....

Regards
Richard Freeman


I have a weird pre send monitoring setup on my console, there are
dedicated sends for the channel path and dedicated sends for the tape
monitors....then it gets weird, EACH set of these have their own
output, although controlled by one master level knob, there is no
combined output of the sends even though the individual outs are
controlled by one knob...yeah like I said, weird.

What I need to do is take these two outputs, "merge" them (they are
mono balanced) and them distribute them to a headphone amp and a
Symetrix 533E stereo EQ.

Eventually there will be a second EQ, with two channels, so:

I need to take two balanced sends from my console, merge them, then
distribute that signal balanced to six channels.

I take it this MMX882 will do this?

I've been looking at various distro amps to peform this function, but
most of them are 1 x 4, or maybe 2 x 4/6.

I could cob together multiple units but that would be expensive and a
cabling nightmare.

In this case, the Behringer, at $99 looks just too attractive to pass
up.

I've generally not been a big slagger of the "B Brand", I use their
headphone amp, and I've got a couple of composers in a rehearsal PA
rack....but at the same time perception says a lot.

I guess I'm gonna buy the thing, at $99 I'm sure I will find a use for
it, but will this thing do what I need it to do?

Any weird things you've encountered that the manual is not clear on?

Thanks,

Analogeezer

In article ,
Kendall wrote:
Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the
unit itself, you can follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see
it:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...base_id/106341

My application will be using it to monitor the (multiple) outputs of a DAW,
and at this point I don't *anticipate* the signal from any of the inputs to
actually be recorded. However, being a realist, I imagine I should be
prepared to use it as an actual recorded input should my needs warrant it.
It may turn out that I decide someday that I would like to use the mixer
before the DAW input, who knows.

ARX makes exactly what you want. I have used it, and it's been pretty
reliable. The signal path could be cleaned up a little bit, but it's
fine for field monitoring.

I don't see why you want balanced inputs. You'll only be running a couple
feet.

As I recall, the Rane unit does not have eight channels with pans, but
only six channels with pans and then two hard right and left channels
for chaining.
--scott

--
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In article m writes:

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.

If it meets your needs and you're not willing to pay a lot more, then
go for it. If you outgrow it before it breaks, you'll be way ahead of
the game. If it breaks, either you'll learn something about making
repairs (it's bound not to be very complicated) or you'll learn why
some people are so anti-B.

My application will be using it to monitor the (multiple) outputs of a DAW,
and at this point I don't *anticipate* the signal from any of the inputs to
actually be recorded.

Could your needs be met just as well or maybe even better with a
routing switcher such as the Samson C-Control or (much more expensive)
Presonus Central Station? Or a good DIY project?


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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
"Kendall" wrote in message
news
Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced
inputs. I need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The
thing is, Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it
would be perfect for my needs, but I'm leery because of everything
I've read, especially here. I'm hoping somebody here will have some
experience with the unit and be able to allay my fears that it will
be *total* crap. If you'd like to see the unit itself, you can
follow this link to the Musician's Friend site to see it:

FWIW, I had a need for an 6 input, stereo-capable line mixer for my
church's
mixing board.

I obtained a Behringer MX882, and found it to be just fine. In use it
sounds
fine. I've only had it for a few months, so the fact that none of the
knobs
have broken it not remarkable. I put it on the test bench, and its
measured

Mine dropped about 1.5 Meters onto a Concrete floor and although the Rack
ear got bent (it landed on its side) the unit Survived ....

Regards
Richard Freeman

"Analogeezer" wrote in message
om...
"Richard Freeman" wrote in message
...

SNIP of original Posting

I had a late night/early morning so bear with me If I miss the point
slightly ;-)

I have a weird pre send monitoring setup on my console, there are
dedicated sends for the channel path and dedicated sends for the tape
monitors....then it gets weird, EACH set of these have their own
output, although controlled by one master level knob, there is no
combined output of the sends even though the individual outs are
controlled by one knob...yeah like I said, weird.

I think I am with you ...


What I need to do is take these two outputs, "merge" them (they are
mono balanced) and them distribute them to a headphone amp and a
Symetrix 533E stereo EQ.

Yep

Eventually there will be a second EQ, with two channels, so:

I need to take two balanced sends from my console, merge them, then
distribute that signal balanced to six channels.

As in go from two mono inputs - Mix them together then split the mixed
signal to 6 Outputs ?

I take it this MMX882 will do this?

Yep You feed your two Signals in the main inputs (XLR), Set all the
'channels' into splitter mode then the Pan/Balance control varies the mix
between the two inputs and use the level control to adjust the output level.

I've been looking at various distro amps to peform this function, but
most of them are 1 x 4, or maybe 2 x 4/6.

I could cob together multiple units but that would be expensive and a
cabling nightmare.

In this case, the Behringer, at $99 looks just too attractive to pass
up.

And it should be able to do the job nicely too....

I've generally not been a big slagger of the "B Brand", I use their
headphone amp, and I've got a couple of composers in a rehearsal PA
rack....but at the same time perception says a lot.

I guess I'm gonna buy the thing, at $99 I'm sure I will find a use for
it, but will this thing do what I need it to do?

Yep! Should do

Any weird things you've encountered that the manual is not clear on?

My only bug with it is is that you cannot use say Channels 1-3 as a mixer
for signals that are then split by say Channels 4-6 - The mixer function
only goes to the main outputs it cannot be fed back into the Splitter bus
without external cables. Other than that I found it pretty straightforward
and easy to use.

Regards
Richard Freeman

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:31:17 GMT, "Kendall"
wrote:

Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs. I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap.

I bought one a few months ago for non-critical stuff, like monitoring
the outputs of my HD24 during recording. Works OK, no problems yet.
Mike T.

In article writes:

I bought one a few months ago for non-critical stuff, like monitoring
the outputs of my HD24 during recording.

This is non-critical?

But I think I understand where you're coming from. Given that you're
probably listening on headphones just to be sure you're getting
something usable (as opposed to exact mic choice and placement) it's
probalby OK. You want something with low enough noise and hum level so
that it doesn't mask a problem that you're recording.



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"Richard Freeman" wrote in message
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"Kendall" wrote in message
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Howdy esteemed RAP people-


--------- Snipped for Brevity------------


Go with the Behringer RX1602 ...

further snippage


Behringer have Improved out of sight in recent years ....

Thanks a bunch, Richard. I think that's what I'll do.

Kendall




Regards
Richard Freeman

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Kendall" wrote in message
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much snippage

At least some of Behringer's products aren't total crap.

Thanks Arny. I appreciate your input. I do believe I'll be going w/ the
Behringer piece, for now.

Kendall

"Mike Tulley" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:31:17 GMT, "Kendall"
wrote:

Howdy esteemed RAP people-

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs.
I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect
for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially here.
I'm hoping somebody here will have some experience with the unit and be
able
to allay my fears that it will be *total* crap.

I bought one a few months ago for non-critical stuff, like monitoring
the outputs of my HD24 during recording. Works OK, no problems yet.
Mike T.

Thanks Mike! Sounds like a winner, as that is the same type of situation I
intend to ise it for, albeit with a computer instead of a standalone. Like
I said, though, I'm hoping that should I someday end up recording anything
*through* the unit, I hope it will suffice. I guess the proof will be in
the pudding.

Kendall

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article m
writes:

I am searching for a line mixer, 1U, with (preferably) balanced inputs.
I
need a *minimum* of 8 channels, but would prefer 16. The thing is,
Behringer makes a unit (the RX1602) that looks like it would be perfect
for
my needs, but I'm leery because of everything I've read, especially
here.

If it meets your needs and you're not willing to pay a lot more, then
go for it. If you outgrow it before it breaks, you'll be way ahead of
the game. If it breaks, either you'll learn something about making
repairs (it's bound not to be very complicated) or you'll learn why
some people are so anti-B.

Thanks, Mike. Yes, this is the way I'm leaning. I just wanted to run it by
the group here, as if there were any truly horrible stories to be told about
this unit, I was confident that asking here would pull them forth. With the
answers I've gotten from this thread, I'm more confident than I was about
the decision, and that is important.


My application will be using it to monitor the (multiple) outputs of a
DAW,
and at this point I don't *anticipate* the signal from any of the inputs
to
actually be recorded.

Could your needs be met just as well or maybe even better with a
routing switcher such as the Samson C-Control or (much more expensive)
Presonus Central Station? Or a good DIY project?

Not quite. The C-Control looks like an interesting product, but it doesn't
really address what I need. I haven't looked at the Presonus unit, although
I doubt it will do what I need as well. I will certainly go look to make
sure I'm not arbitrarily ruling out something that might work. As far as a
DIY project, I have a few in line before this, and would need to tackle
those first. Unfortunately, whenever I start to tackle a DIY project, I end
up overdoing it, and adding in more than I really need, just because I can
make it exactly "perfect" for the task at hand. For example, the Behringer
unit I'm considering is almost EXACTLY perfect for what I need. The only
thing I would add, were I to "custom order" one would be the inclusion of a
"direct out" for each channel so that I could send a signal to someplace
while simultaneously monitoring it through the built in headphone jack.
Obviously, I can use a "Y" cord to do so with the Behringer, but if I were
building a DIY, I'd prolly try to figure out a way to work in the direct
outs. Not needed, but I'd probably try to anyway.

I've noticed that when you are looking for a product, be it a laptop case,
or a "click box" you have certain things that you consider a "must-have" and
other stuff you'd rather not spend the extra on. I can relate with you on
that. Sometimes you look at a product and think its "almost" perfect for
what you need. Too bad the engineers didn't take into account exactly what
*I* would like for any given product. Not very cost effective to do so,
however, since doing so would mean it was "almost" perfect for what Joe Blow
would like to do with it. Oh well.


Kendall



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In article writes:

Unfortunately, whenever I start to tackle a DIY project, I end
up overdoing it, and adding in more than I really need, just because I can
make it exactly "perfect" for the task at hand.

Me, too. And then I end up with a half-finished project in a pile with
other half-finished projects that I'll get back to some day.


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In article znr1088683671k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes:

Unfortunately, whenever I start to tackle a DIY project, I end
up overdoing it, and adding in more than I really need, just because I can
make it exactly "perfect" for the task at hand.

Me, too. And then I end up with a half-finished project in a pile with
other half-finished projects that I'll get back to some day.

Everything around here gets finished sooner or later, although I just finished
a couple things I started a decade ago. I really am still hoping to get that
preamp article for Recording done, even though the editorial staff has all
completely changed since I promised it to them.
--scott


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In article writes:

Is there anything out there that has 16 inputs, with pans on each, and fits
into 1U? It would seem that the knobs would have to be really, really tiny.

I seem to remember that ATI made a 16-channel 1U mixer, a variant on
their 8-channel one that I think is still around (for its second time
around) The knobs weren't any smaller than on the 8-channel unit, but
they were closer together.


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On 2004-07-01, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Is there anything out there that has 16 inputs, with pans on each, and
fits into 1U?

The Fostex 2016 has 16 line inputs with pan and is 2U but it has
two sends and a jack input on the front panel. If you removed
the sends and the connector, it could easily be shrunk to 1U.

It would seem that the knobs would have to be really, really tiny.

They are. And close together, too.

http://www.smark.ch/smarkmusic/occpa...stex_2016.html

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