Hi,
I need multicore-cable with:
* 12x balanced & shielded mic
* 2x loudspeaker
* 1x mains power (with shield, if possible)

Who makes something like this?
Thanks for any link...
Samuel

Samuel Groner wrote:
Hi,
I need multicore-cable with:
* 12x balanced & shielded mic
* 2x loudspeaker
* 1x mains power (with shield, if possible)

This is a bad idea. If you add mains power to the cable, you not only may
have problems with induced noise, but you will also have to meet a different
cable specification in order to deal with the EU electrical codes. This makes
the cable considerably more expensive.

In the US, doing this is completely against the electrical code, but I do
think it's allowable in the EU.

Who makes something like this?

I don't think there is anything like this off the shelf, but if you can get
together an order of 5,000 feet or more, Belden can probably make you a
composite cable like this. Bay Cables will also do composites for reasonable
lengths like that.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 2 Jul 2004 09:18:12 -0700, Samuel Groner wrote:
Hi,
I need multicore-cable with:
* 12x balanced & shielded mic
* 2x loudspeaker
* 1x mains power (with shield, if possible)

Who makes something like this?
Thanks for any link...
Samuel

You don't want that.

If you're doing a permenant install, running CM (mic level) CL-2
(loudspeaker) and power in the same raceway will not, in general, meet
code.

There are exceptions for things like elevators where the car needs
power, surveilance, and PA, and special cables are made for that.

If you're doing a traveling show, that cable will lock you into a
particular configuration, where the needs of one venue or another may
change your needs.

I never cease to be astonished at the variety of things I've had to do
to adapt a live show to a particular less-than-ideal venue.

It also strikes me as "Not such a Hot Idea" to bundle mics and power
together where an insulation failure is potentially lethal to your
talent. I always considered it bad form to rig things so as to put the
talent at needless risk.

Not to mention voltage drop in your power and loudspeaker runs.

My 0.01 cents, in constant 1967 dollars.

Walter Harley wrote:

But if you're resolute about it, you might try contacting Gepco. They've
got more mixed-signal stuff and custom stuff than most manufacturers I know
of.

Gepco can't do harmonized power stuff, which is required for European
composite cables.

But it occurs to me that the folks who can do this sort of thing in German
are SAB, http://www.sabwp.com. Check out the SL806 as a starting point to
design around. Note that these guys are not cheap.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 2 Jul 2004 09:18:12 -0700, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

Hi,
I need multicore-cable with:
* 12x balanced & shielded mic
* 2x loudspeaker
* 1x mains power (with shield, if possible)

Who makes something like this?
Thanks for any link...
Samuel
years ago in a small TV studio, the audio guys complained that the
Studio floor PA system, about 250w/ch, was sounding ****, and the amp
was overheating.
It was due to the speaker cables, running parallel to the line level
cables, and HF crosstalk drove the amp into oscillations!




martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

In article writes:

I need multicore-cable with:
* 12x balanced & shielded mic
* 2x loudspeaker
* 1x mains power (with shield, if possible)

Who makes something like this?

Any of the major cable manufacturers will if you want enough of it.
How many tens of thousands of feet can you use?

The more realistic answer to this is "you do." Buy the shielded cable
as a snake, buy a couple of pieces of 12-2 rubber or neoprene jacketed
cable for your speakers, and, if you want to be brave and run the
power right along with it (it will probably be OK as long as you're
not running light dimmers), some 12-3. Bundle them all together with
Ty-wraps every foot to 18 inches.

Make a nice box for it and put it on casters or a dolly. Assuming
you're talking about 100 feet or more (otherwise, why bother running
them all together?) it'll be heavy.





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http://www.sabwp.com.

Does this site exist?
Samuel

Thanks for all answers!

I need this cable (only 15 m) for a "fixed" installation, where we
should be able to set up the powermixer as fast as possible at
different positions.

Typically, we don not need more than 30 dB gain with our mics, so
there is a chance that the system will not hum.

Samuel

In article writes:

I need this cable (only 15 m) for a "fixed" installation, where we
should be able to set up the powermixer as fast as possible at
different positions.

That's a bit contradictory. If it's a "fixed" installation, then the
mixer is always in the same place (as is the stage) - "fixed" in
position. If it's going to be in different positions, that's not
fixed.

In the sound contracting world, there's a class of service provider
called a "cable bundler" which does the job you're looking for. They
buy pieces of various kinds of cable - mic cable, speaker cable, and
power cable in your case - in the length you need, and bundle it
together with the appropriate kind of sheath so that it can be run as
you need it. A web search might work, but it might be easier to find a
local sound contractor and ask if he does that sort of work, or if he
contracts it out (most do) get a name.

If this is a low budget project (do I sense "church?") you could do it
yourself for very little cost, though it wouldn't be quiet as neat as
a pro job.



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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo