Hey Harvey Gerst--

Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?

Ryan wrote:

Hey Harvey Gerst--

Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day)

This is not a board, it is a usenet newsgroup. Use a quality newsreader,
any old netscape will do, and be happy. Don't try to read this newsgroup
via a web interface.

have you ever considered putting up a web board on the RAP site,

A dedicated newserver would be more useful.

creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread,

Strange control concept.

and seeing what happens?

web boards without newsserver access are a pestilence.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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Ryan wrote:

Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site,

While a web board is not a bad idea (it might help to keep things
more organized and permanent), I just wanted to point out that
posts to rec.audio.pro -- and all newsgroups -- disappear (the
technical term is "are expired") according to the local policy
of whoever runs your news server. Their policy could be anything
from not carrying the group at all to keeping posts around for
a month. In fact, if your internet provider keeps posts around
for less than a day for any major group like this one, I'd say
that's worse than normal by a great margin.

Also, you can read/search archives of rec.audio.pro and other
newsgroups at groups.google.com.

- Logan

"Ryan" wrote in message
om
Hey Harvey Gerst--

Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day)

False claims. Threads on RAP seem to hang around for weeks if not months for
people who use proper news readers such as Outlook express and a good news
server. They hang around *forever* in the google newsgroup archives.

In this place, Ryan was recorded saying ...
Hey Harvey Gerst--

Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?


Harvey contributes enough already. MORE than enough!

It's Lyle who manages the recaudiopro.net web site on behalf of "the
guys"

If "the guys" want, I'll happily provide and install messageboard
software.

Someone will have to manage it though. Who has time on their hands?

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

In article writes:

posts to rec.audio.pro -- and all newsgroups -- disappear (the
technical term is "are expired") according to the local policy
of whoever runs your news server. Their policy could be anything
from not carrying the group at all to keeping posts around for
a month. In fact, if your internet provider keeps posts around
for less than a day for any major group like this one, I'd say
that's worse than normal by a great margin.

A lot of people misunderstand how "last read" pointers work in a
newsreader. With a number of systems, while the message may still be
on the server, your host or local program knows you've already seen it
and won't show it to you again until you tell it to back up. This is
how some posts get "lost."

The system I use downloads newsgroup messages to my computer, and I
overwrite them with each download. If I find myself reading a thread
that I want to review (I've probably read earlier messages before) I
just hop over to Google, go to Newsgroups, then rec.audio.pro, and
paste the subject header into the search field. They keep stuff for a
long, long time there, and I can review any thread easily.

It's not magic, it's not one button, but it's not hard.

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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

To all:

I use google to view RAP. I didn't mean the threads literally
disapear, I mean they got pushed further and furhter down the
chronological list that google uses.

I think we would be able to have a better disscussion if there was
permanet place available that you don't have to search to get to.
Something always up in front of our eyes. I have some things I'd like
to comment on as far as the CDs. But I wouldn't post them here.
Mostly because I know my thread will "disapear" in about a half a day
or so and it is not likely to get much response. I also wouldn't want
to do a search for a similar thread and make a new post, as posting on
very old threads in usually seen as bad ettiquette. Therefore I made
the original suggestion.

The reason it might be better to have a set number of threads, one per
song, and not anyone to create a new thread is to insure the web board
would be exclusive to RAP CD disscusion.

I addressed this thread to Harvey because he is the head honcho of the
RAP website, or is that incorrect?

What is involded in managing such a thing? You would have to create a
thread for each song. What else? I might be interested in managing
it. I really do believe that this would help to bring about more
disccusion and possibly more exposure to the RAP CDs.

To Peter:
Non usenet boards are a pestillence? This sounds a bit much. Do you
think we should ban them, like some people want to ban books? They
have never intruded into my life in anyway, I always go looking for
them, they never come looking for me, and quite enjoy the ones I use.

In article writes:

I think we would be able to have a better disscussion if there was
permanet place available that you don't have to search to get to.
Something always up in front of our eyes. I have some things I'd like
to comment on as far as the CDs. But I wouldn't post them here.
Mostly because I know my thread will "disapear" in about a half a day
or so and it is not likely to get much response.

That's the way it is with Usenet - it's pretty much a real-time
discussion with the people who happen to be reading at the time.
Google does indeed keep postings practically forever, so if someone
knows what to look for, he can find a complete thread, add to it, and
it will come back to the surface, at least for as long as people at
that time are willing to continue the discussion.

I also wouldn't want
to do a search for a similar thread and make a new post, as posting on
very old threads in usually seen as bad ettiquette.

It's not bad form if it's still relevant. Usually when somoene posts
about a problem it doesn't make much sense to post your solution a
couple of months later unless it's still an ongoing discussion,
however.


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Ryan wrote:
Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?

Rather than doing this, why don't you ask your news admin to fix the
server so it expires on a more reasonable schedule? There's no reason
to have it set that fast unless he is _very_ tight on local disk space,
and if that's the case, dropping one binary group will give you a few
months of time for r.a.p.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Ryan wrote:
Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?

Rather than doing this, why don't you ask your news admin to fix the
server so it expires on a more reasonable schedule? There's no reason
to have it set that fast unless he is _very_ tight on local disk space,
and if that's the case, dropping one binary group will give you a few
months of time for r.a.p.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:10:30 +0100, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

Ryan wrote:
Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?

Rather than doing this, why don't you ask your news admin to fix the
server so it expires on a more reasonable schedule? There's no reason
to have it set that fast unless he is _very_ tight on local disk space,
and if that's the case, dropping one binary group will give you a few
months of time for r.a.p.
--scott


Or just get an account at http://news.individual.net - it's free, retention
is very healthy, and it's text only, so if some idiot decides to post a
binary flood to a text newsgroup you'll never see it.

John


--

yorkio65 at yahoo.co.uk

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:10:30 +0100, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

Ryan wrote:
Since the RAP community has put so much time into the RAP CDs and the
nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day) have you ever
considered putting up a web board on the RAP site, creating a thread
for each song on each CD, making it so everyone can post but no one
can start a new thread, and seeing what happens?

Rather than doing this, why don't you ask your news admin to fix the
server so it expires on a more reasonable schedule? There's no reason
to have it set that fast unless he is _very_ tight on local disk space,
and if that's the case, dropping one binary group will give you a few
months of time for r.a.p.
--scott


Or just get an account at http://news.individual.net - it's free, retention
is very healthy, and it's text only, so if some idiot decides to post a
binary flood to a text newsgroup you'll never see it.

John


--

yorkio65 at yahoo.co.uk

Thanks for the help guys. I guess the problem isn't that *I* have
problems finding threads about the RAP CDs, but that no one else is
really going to be looking for them, and no one will notice them at
Google anyway, as the threads advance foreward so quickly. RAP is
mostly, "I have this problem with equipment X. My clients are ****ed!
Help!" Or, "Have you guys heard about this new X hardware/software?"
and even these threads only last a day or two.

I just really think if we had a seperate little board on the RAP
webiste, people would be more willing to post comments and the like,
which is what the CDs were done for, wasn't it? Web board software
should be cheap or free and it shouldn't tkae up much more than a few
MBs of server space. I'd be willing to help out and do everything
except drop the code into the HTML files (I would do that too, but I
don't know how).

I'm still waiting for the Pope's comments.........

I know he's busy, that's why I called this thread "more work for
Harvey..." Tounge in cheek, you know. Seriously, I'd do all the work
I can to make it happen.

Thanks for the help guys. I guess the problem isn't that *I* have
problems finding threads about the RAP CDs, but that no one else is
really going to be looking for them, and no one will notice them at
Google anyway, as the threads advance foreward so quickly. RAP is
mostly, "I have this problem with equipment X. My clients are ****ed!
Help!" Or, "Have you guys heard about this new X hardware/software?"
and even these threads only last a day or two.

I just really think if we had a seperate little board on the RAP
webiste, people would be more willing to post comments and the like,
which is what the CDs were done for, wasn't it? Web board software
should be cheap or free and it shouldn't tkae up much more than a few
MBs of server space. I'd be willing to help out and do everything
except drop the code into the HTML files (I would do that too, but I
don't know how).

I'm still waiting for the Pope's comments.........

I know he's busy, that's why I called this thread "more work for
Harvey..." Tounge in cheek, you know. Seriously, I'd do all the work
I can to make it happen.

In article writes:

Thanks for the help guys. I guess the problem isn't that *I* have
problems finding threads about the RAP CDs, but that no one else is
really going to be looking for them

You're pretty much right there. There was a lot of discussion after
the first RAP CD, and there's been less with each release. This just
isn't as hot a topic as "what's the best mic for my vocal?"

While I've found that most of the recordings on the RAP collections
are interesting and well done, there really isn't much I have to
comment on. People are getting too good and about all I have to say is
how much I enjoyed hearing their work.

One of the purposes of the project was to show what could be done with
a wide range of equipment, skill levels, and creative techniques.
Another was to show others what we've been working on. I guess when
everyone has a Neumann mic and a digital recorder, all you can talk
about is the talent, and nobody wants to say "dude, your singing
sucks" because, for the most part, the examples are really quite good.

So what would YOU like to discuss about the RAP CDs?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Thanks for the help guys. I guess the problem isn't that *I* have
problems finding threads about the RAP CDs, but that no one else is
really going to be looking for them

You're pretty much right there. There was a lot of discussion after
the first RAP CD, and there's been less with each release. This just
isn't as hot a topic as "what's the best mic for my vocal?"

While I've found that most of the recordings on the RAP collections
are interesting and well done, there really isn't much I have to
comment on. People are getting too good and about all I have to say is
how much I enjoyed hearing their work.

One of the purposes of the project was to show what could be done with
a wide range of equipment, skill levels, and creative techniques.
Another was to show others what we've been working on. I guess when
everyone has a Neumann mic and a digital recorder, all you can talk
about is the talent, and nobody wants to say "dude, your singing
sucks" because, for the most part, the examples are really quite good.

So what would YOU like to discuss about the RAP CDs?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

(Mike Rivers) wrote in news:znr1088163041k@trad:

You're pretty much right there. There was a lot of discussion after
the first RAP CD, and there's been less with each release. This just
isn't as hot a topic as "what's the best mic for my vocal?"

And when I tried to stir interest by reviewing nearly all the tracks on the
RAP 5 compilation I got as much "shut up" feedback as positive.

To find them, Google RAP for articles with "RAP5/" (include the slash) in
the title.

(Mike Rivers) wrote in news:znr1088163041k@trad:

You're pretty much right there. There was a lot of discussion after
the first RAP CD, and there's been less with each release. This just
isn't as hot a topic as "what's the best mic for my vocal?"

And when I tried to stir interest by reviewing nearly all the tracks on the
RAP 5 compilation I got as much "shut up" feedback as positive.

To find them, Google RAP for articles with "RAP5/" (include the slash) in
the title.

(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1088163041k@trad...

So what would YOU like to discuss about the RAP CDs?

I have something to say and a question to ask for almost every song on
the Fifth of RAP set. That's what got me thinking about someplace to
put all of it where it actually might get read.

(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1088163041k@trad...

So what would YOU like to discuss about the RAP CDs?

I have something to say and a question to ask for almost every song on
the Fifth of RAP set. That's what got me thinking about someplace to
put all of it where it actually might get read.

In article writes:

I have something to say and a question to ask for almost every song on
the Fifth of RAP set. That's what got me thinking about someplace to
put all of it where it actually might get read.

This is the place. But understand that not everyone who submitted a
song for the set is a regular reader here (at least not now) so
there's a pretty good chance that, while your questions might
stimulate some discussion, the person who recorded the song may never
see your posting.

And if you posted here that the recordings would be discussed on some
other forum, chances are he wouldn't see that either.

Ask away. Maybe you'll find out what you want to know.

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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Ryan wrote:

the nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day)

I am replying to this eight days after your post. I've been on the road
and just hit Usenet again today. I think your newsreader is broken or
suboptimally set, or your ISP needs a bigger drive for the newsgroups,
or to carry one less porno picture binary group. Your whole thread is
showing in my reader.

--
ha

(hank alrich) wrote in message . ..
Ryan wrote:

the nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day)

I am replying to this eight days after your post. I've been on the road
and just hit Usenet again today. I think your newsreader is broken or
suboptimally set, or your ISP needs a bigger drive for the newsgroups,
or to carry one less porno picture binary group. Your whole thread is
showing in my reader.

Appearently not my second post where I explianed I use Google to view
RAP. What have you got against porno?

Ryan wrote:

(hank alrich) wrote...
Ryan wrote:

the nature of the RAP board makes it impossible to do any serious review
or talks about them (the threads disapear in half a day)

I am replying to this eight days after your post. I've been on the road
and just hit Usenet again today. I think your newsreader is broken or
suboptimally set, or your ISP needs a bigger drive for the newsgroups,
or to carry one less porno picture binary group. Your whole thread is
showing in my reader.

Appearently not my second post where I explianed I use Google to view
RAP.

If that's what you want to do, then that's what you get for a
"newsreader"; I thought you wanted an improvement, but without changing
your way of newsgroup living the best you can do is comb through your
browser's newsreading prefs until you get closer to your ideal.

What have you got against porno?

Nothing except that if your ISP hasn't space enough to cache Usenet
messages for more than a half-hour, a single tit shot is worth a
thousand posts.

--
ha