Hi again all,

A quick question if I may.
I have two very good sounding guitar amps; a Marshall 4010 and a
Fender Deluxe (among others)
With these two amps I can achieve most any sound I want.
The problem is that neither has either an effects loop or lead boost
capabilities.
So I have been using the technique that Eric Johnson uses.
Mic both amps. Mix them onstage with a small mixer. Put the fx in
the loop of the mixer. I also use a GCX switcher in that loop and
switch both the fx and an eq in and out with that. The eq is only
there for real time lead boost adjustment.
My question is if I were to send you a strait mic signal from each of
those amps how much channel eqing would you need to do at the foh
mixer, assuming, of course, that I'm using good mics and good mic
placement.
The reason I ask is because, for sake of ease of setup etc., I'm
trying out a single rack space mixer that doesn't have any eq. So the
summed signal of both amps would be sent to the foh board in one line
cable.
This would preclude the sound-person from being able to eq each
individual amp.
Would this be too much of a compromise?
I know that a common mantra on this ng is to use the right mics and
the right placement and do as little eqing as possible.

What say you all?

As usual, thanks in advance.

Shawn

Shawn wrote;

Hi again all,

A quick question if I may.
I have two very good sounding guitar amps; a Marshall 4010 and a
Fender Deluxe (among others)
With these two amps I can achieve most any sound I want.
The problem is that neither has either an effects loop or lead boost
capabilities.
So I have been using the technique that Eric Johnson uses.
Mic both amps. Mix them onstage with a small mixer. Put the fx in
the loop of the mixer. I also use a GCX switcher in that loop and
switch both the fx and an eq in and out with that. The eq is only
there for real time lead boost adjustment.
My question is if I were to send you a strait mic signal from each of
those amps how much channel eqing would you need to do at the foh
mixer, assuming, of course, that I'm using good mics and good mic
placement.
The reason I ask is because, for sake of ease of setup etc., I'm
trying out a single rack space mixer that doesn't have any eq. So the
summed signal of both amps would be sent to the foh board in one line
cable.
This would preclude the sound-person from being able to eq each
individual amp.
Would this be too much of a compromise?
I know that a common mantra on this ng is to use the right mics and
the right placement and do as little eqing as possible.

What say you all?

As usual, thanks in advance.

Shawn


I'm assuming you don't have an extra channel at FOH for the extra amp?



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aht (Mondoslug1) wrote:

Shawn wrote;

Hi again all,

A quick question if I may.
I have two very good sounding guitar amps; a Marshall 4010 and a
Fender Deluxe (among others)
With these two amps I can achieve most any sound I want.
The problem is that neither has either an effects loop or lead boost
capabilities.
So I have been using the technique that Eric Johnson uses.
Mic both amps. Mix them onstage with a small mixer. Put the fx in
the loop of the mixer. I also use a GCX switcher in that loop and
switch both the fx and an eq in and out with that. The eq is only
there for real time lead boost adjustment.
My question is if I were to send you a strait mic signal from each of
those amps how much channel eqing would you need to do at the foh
mixer, assuming, of course, that I'm using good mics and good mic
placement.
The reason I ask is because, for sake of ease of setup etc., I'm
trying out a single rack space mixer that doesn't have any eq. So the
summed signal of both amps would be sent to the foh board in one line
cable.
This would preclude the sound-person from being able to eq each
individual amp.
Would this be too much of a compromise?
I know that a common mantra on this ng is to use the right mics and
the right placement and do as little eqing as possible.

What say you all?

As usual, thanks in advance.

Shawn

This would be difficult to answer
I use EQ more to fit instruments into a mix rather than optimize each
instrument as if I was hearing it in isolation
some time the foh eq on a voice or instrument can sound quite odd when
taken out of the mix
each instrument or voice can cover many freq. if there is a collection
of stuff on stage all generating loads of low mid (for example) I would
reduce the low mids that are muddying up the sound from voices or
instrument to allow someting like a baritone sax to be heard cleaner in
the mix
I hope this makes some sense to you
George

This would be difficult to answer
I use EQ more to fit instruments into a mix rather than optimize each
instrument as if I was hearing it in isolation
some time the foh eq on a voice or instrument can sound quite odd when
taken out of the mix
each instrument or voice can cover many freq. if there is a collection
of stuff on stage all generating loads of low mid (for example) I would
reduce the low mids that are muddying up the sound from voices or
instrument to allow someting like a baritone sax to be heard cleaner in
the mix
I hope this makes some sense to you

Yes it makes sense George. Would this be a large problem with a band
with two guitars, bass and keyboards? I would think that with only a
few instruments there wouldn't be too muddy of a mix. Or are the
timbres of keys and guitars likely to get muddy? I wouldn't think so.

Thanks
Shawn

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(Shawn) wrote:

This would be difficult to answer
I use EQ more to fit instruments into a mix rather than optimize each
instrument as if I was hearing it in isolation
some time the foh eq on a voice or instrument can sound quite odd when
taken out of the mix
each instrument or voice can cover many freq. if there is a collection
of stuff on stage all generating loads of low mid (for example) I would
reduce the low mids that are muddying up the sound from voices or
instrument to allow someting like a baritone sax to be heard cleaner in
the mix
I hope this makes some sense to you

Yes it makes sense George. Would this be a large problem with a band
with two guitars, bass and keyboards? I would think that with only a
few instruments there wouldn't be too muddy of a mix. Or are the
timbres of keys and guitars likely to get muddy? I wouldn't think so.

Thanks
Shawn

all depends on the notes the players chose to focus(center) around
G